Shodokan/Tomiki Toshu Competition

Discussion in 'Aikido' started by Prizewriter, May 20, 2015.

  1. Prizewriter

    Prizewriter Moved on

    [ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WoQQlOEnSFI"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WoQQlOEnSFI[/ame]

    Nice little bit of Toshu Randori. Most of Aikido competition clips from Shodokan/Tomiki focus on Tanto Randori.

    We never did much Toshu Randori, but I always enjoy watching it.

    Anyone any other good Toshu clips??
     
  2. holyheadjch

    holyheadjch Valued Member

    Can someone explain what we're looking at?
     
  3. Prizewriter

    Prizewriter Moved on

    Basically Tomiki/Shodokan Aikido were founded by Kenji Tomiki, a high ranking Aikidoka but also a high ranking Judoka.

    Tomiki realised the importance of randori (sparring/competition) in martial arts development thanks to his Judo background and incorporated sparring/competition into his style of Aikido. The powers that be didn't like that so he branched out and created his own version of Aikido.

    Toshu Randori is an empty hand form of randori. There are only 17 legal moves, which are a combination of takedowns and locks. Like like Judo in randori though there are a lot of variations of those 17 moves.

    There are scores for moves like in Judo (Yuko, Waza-Ari, Ippon). It differs from Judo in that you get more of a score for a takedown if you retain balance (whereas in Judo you can go to ground to complete a throw).

    Full rules are here:

    http://tomiki.org/files/nationals/Toshu_Randori_Rules-06222014.pdf
     
  4. Prizewriter

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    Also, you can't grip the gi in Judo. An Aikido gi generally has shorter sleeves so the wrist can be grabbed for locks but grabbing the gi is a no-no.
     
  5. holyheadjch

    holyheadjch Valued Member

    you mean Aikido?
    you can clinch?
     
  6. Prizewriter

    Prizewriter Moved on

    Apologies you are right, that should read:

    "Also you can't grip the gi like in Judo"

    Clinching is a no-no although it occasionally happens.
     
  7. holyheadjch

    holyheadjch Valued Member

    Ok, I don't get it. But I think it does show how difficult it is to pull off techniques against a resisting opponent, so it's got to be a worthwhile practice.
     
  8. Prizewriter

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    Techniques that scored in the above clip are:

    At 0:26 : Shomen-Ate

    At 0:41: Ushiro-Ate

    At 1:10: Shiho-Nage
     
  9. Prizewriter

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    Honestly if anyone is going to study Aikido I would get them to try Tomiki or Shodokan Aikido. Like you say it gives people a better idea of using their Aikido against a resisting opponent.

    That said it's not perfect sparring: There is a lack of striking and no clinching/grappling etc...

    Overall though I liked the above clip as they showed good movement and the smaller guy tried to hit the Gedan-Ate a few times, which was my all time favourite move (seen here at 0:25)

    [ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTt8YwPaPCY"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTt8YwPaPCY[/ame]
     
  10. Prizewriter

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    Just as a visual guide, here are the 17 legal techniques for Toshu Randori (in Kata form)

    [ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zxa4lSu-UtE"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zxa4lSu-UtE[/ame]
     
  11. Bambi

    Bambi Valued Member

    I always thought this type of randori was daft but that tenkai kote hineri the guy pulled off at 1:11 was superb
     
  12. Prizewriter

    Prizewriter Moved on

    Wasn't it Shiho Nage? Or maybe it was something in between?
     
  13. Prizewriter

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    This is just drilling, but some nice counters here:

    [ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMEpnMalTV4"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMEpnMalTV4[/ame]
     
  14. Shinkei

    Shinkei Valued Member

    As I get older I enjoy Toshu randori more than Tanto randori. The clip of the Toshu is a new format that was shown at the JAA international Aikido festival held in Kawasaki 2013.
     
  15. Shinkei

    Shinkei Valued Member

    Although not a widely practice martial art Tomiki Aikido has a large junior and youth following in the UK. Through this practice the UK has developed some of the best competitive Aikidoka in the world.

    [ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vZHMj6ODGM"]Dan Grading Kakarigeiko - YouTube[/ame]
    Youth Kakarigeiko
     
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  16. Prizewriter

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    I just watched this and it's interesting because it shows how hard it can be to get Aikido working (with resistance) against a bigger opponent.

    http://youtu.be/Zdh80SLkYQY
     
    Last edited: Feb 13, 2016
  17. Cen Garsden

    Cen Garsden Flamin' Wobbygong

    Nice.

    I'm not familiar with actual Tomiki-ryu keiko, but I've trained with "ex-deshi" of the style. One of things I am familiar with is resistance training (usually called oyo-waza in the Iwama system) and I think for a lot of people who want to teach any aiki art resistance is not futile. It's a great method of "proof of tech" over "aikibunny showpony".
     
    Last edited: Feb 15, 2016
  18. Prizewriter

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    Exactly. The old Tomiki mantra was something like "Compete to train but don't train to compete." It's hard to imagine Aikido without resistance. Do you have any good clips of resistance training in Iwama?
     
  19. Cen Garsden

    Cen Garsden Flamin' Wobbygong

    That's actually a pretty funny question. Here's why:

    Iwama style (like Yoshinkan) is considered a "hard style" of the art, ie; very strict kihon. In the Iwama system the tegatana is built very literally. I have the "deep" calcification (ie; hairy wrists and increased bone density around the wrist) due to the huge focus on katatedori.

    The 1978 vid by Saito sensei (senior) called Takemusu Aiki has a whole bunch of kaeshiwaza and oyowaza toward the end (in colour, the rest is B&W). But pretty much all Iwama style is "grip to crush" at advanced levels.

    The funny part is I've been going through my vid collection for the last few months to do youtube uploads of analysis of this tech!
     
    Last edited: Feb 16, 2016

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