How to improve my martial arts skills?

Discussion in 'General Martial Arts Discussion' started by Sarute Uchizaki, Dec 29, 2015.

  1. Knee Rider

    Knee Rider Valued Member Supporter

    That's what I was thinking.
     
  2. Pretty In Pink

    Pretty In Pink Moved on MAP 2017 Gold Award

    True, although I was more thinking in terms of my own combat sports.
     
  3. Dead_pool

    Dead_pool Spes mea in nihil Deus MAP 2017 Moi Award

    Sparring straight away in combat sports is old school, but only because it puts off new people who arnt natural Fighters which impacts income to full time gyms, but I think putting sparring off for too long can also be damaging, that's why an introduction course of 4-8 weeks, which includes sparring is a good compromise.
     
  4. Knee Rider

    Knee Rider Valued Member Supporter

    Obviously alive drills and objective sparring help ease the transition just as well in striking as it does jitz too.
     
    Last edited: Feb 5, 2016
  5. Knee Rider

    Knee Rider Valued Member Supporter

    Although it took a little longer when I trained Thai Boxing. every BJJ gym I've been too was sparring day one and so is my current MMA gym. Personally I'm fine with it and think as long as there is composure and communication between participants then its fantastic.
     
  6. Langenschwert

    Langenschwert Molon Labe

    As long as it's controlled, it's ok. We do this in Judo newaza to get the white belts' feet wet. The senior belt starts turtled on knees and elbows and the junior tries to turn him over and maybe try a pin if they can remember to do so. :) Pretty simple. It's not high intensity, but it gets the newbies comfortable with resistant training.
     
  7. YouKnowWho

    YouKnowWho Valued Member

    Agree! To let the new students to spar/wrestle with the instructor (or the instructor's senior students) on day one (with proper control of course) can help new students to

    1. get the feet wet,
    2. eliminate non-qualified students,
    3. understand the goal of MA is for fighting and not just for health, self-cultivation, inner peace, ...,
    4. find their weakness,
    5. understand what he can learn from this instructor,
    6. ...

    For example, for 5, if a wrestling instructor wrestles his new students on day one, those new students will know exactly what that instructor is good at. If the instructor can use his "single leg" to take down all his new students on the 1st day, those new students will have respect and faith in the "single leg" technique. Later on when the instructor teaches that technique, students will pay attention on it. The end result will be all his students will be good at "single leg" and the instructor will have successfully pass his own flavor down to his students.

    This method may fit in better for the grappling art than for the striking art (when fists are flying). A good wrestling instructor (or his senior students) should be able to protect those new students and provide a safe place for them to train.
     
    Last edited: Mar 13, 2016
  8. Tom bayley

    Tom bayley Valued Member

    There is sparring and there is fighting. Sparring from day one is a good thing. It can give confidence to the un-assertive and teach the enthusiastic the pitfalls of being over eager. But this can be done in a measured and controlled way - like starting in the shallow end on the first day of swimming.

    Fighting from day one - dropping someone in at the deep end and letting them sink or slim does work for some. but I would argue not for most. and even in the medium term does not teach you anything that you can't learn with a structured approach to sparring ramping up the intensity over time.

    Fighting against a weapon first session is just a flat out joke. Unless its a one-off demonstration of the difficulties of fighting open handed against a weapon. Fighting first session using a weapon against an armed opponent is also a waste of time. It is unlikely that the fighters would be treat the other guys weapon with the respect it deserves, they would not defend effectively and would learn habits that would get them killed in a real fight. This is why sparring rules such as the "right off attack" were developed to build good defense in life threatening situations.
     
    Last edited: Mar 14, 2016
  9. raaeoh

    raaeoh never tell me the odds


    So kali is a joke? Most kali o know of teaches armed first. Then un armed
     
  10. Hannibal

    Hannibal Cry HAVOC and let slip the Dogs of War!!! Supporter

    The context of teh post in question was unarmed vs a weapon - not the kali way, and certainly not practical
     
  11. aikiMac

    aikiMac aikido + boxing = very good Moderator Supporter

    But kali schools don't start you out fighting the first week, do they? I think they start you with one-stick drills, and then when you're comfortable with one stick they move up to two-stick drills.
     
  12. Hannibal

    Hannibal Cry HAVOC and let slip the Dogs of War!!! Supporter

    Exactly
     
  13. raaeoh

    raaeoh never tell me the odds

    The schools I know of have you doing partner drills not full on sparring. So yes you are correct.

    They do however do spar with weapons first.
     
  14. Tom bayley

    Tom bayley Valued Member

    No, Kali is not a joke it was not my intention to imply that it was or to say that learning weapons first then unarmed second is wrong.

    I was talking about the difference between sparring in a structured controlled way, necessary in both armed and unarmed training and starting Fighting straight away. My comment was in response to a post that advocated "fighting" (whatever they mean by that) from the first lesson.
     
    Last edited: Mar 15, 2016
  15. Rebecca_Daw

    Rebecca_Daw New Member

    If you want to improve your MMA skills you need to practice harder with new techniques.

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