Who is mike pence

As the American Election media circus cycle is coming to a close, I have started to wonder what sort of VP will Mike pence become, theres been little about him In the MSM beyond his apparent anti science, anti gay, anti sex education, and general anti liberal views.

So since there are trump/pence voters on here, I'd like to ask you, why you think he will make a good VP, and which of his views do you agree or disagree with, and which ones are you willing to ignore?

 

Thanks aaradia, Is there anything that he is for, that you think excuses his LGBT views? or do that excuse only work for those who arnt LGBT and have no contact with anyone who is LGBT?

 

PEOPLE, need to realize that Trump did not pick Pence due to his GLBT stance. He picked him to attract the more conservative voters, which is not a small amount of people in the US. It was a smart political maneuver, far more then it was a anti gay one. I still stand by that Trump is the most gay friendly republican we have ever had. I know Mike Pence is anti gay, but other then not supporting outright giving the word "Marriage" to gays, I have not seen anything I consider out right LGBT hatred from Trump. He did say he was in favor of a strong Domestic partnership law. Though I don't see any difference between Domestic partnership and the word "Marriage".

So in the end, Pence was not picked largely for his anti gay stance. He was a choice by a republican candidate that was not a conservative, to reel in conservatives. I personally was and still am a Cruzer, as I still harbor doubts of Trumps promises, and he is not a conservative.

Now anti science, I assume that is liberal code language for Climate change? I think Pence like me and many others are against climate change for a few big reasons.. It is a big socialist redistribution scheme. 2. The climate has been changing since this planet had a climate, and it is egotistical to think we humans can affect it. It changed before us, and it will change after us. Why demonize carbon when every green photosynthesizing thing uses carbon as part of its process..

3. If radical Climate change agenda was uniformly greenlighted with out restraint, third world nations would be intentionally held back. They cant be, and wont be allowed to develop into first world nations. 4. It just reeks of a few elite people just wanting a way to control every aspect of human life. A reason to take away even more personal freedom.

5, most on my side think it is a hoax, after the Climate gate scandal revealed the scientists were FAKING data..

Look, you want to bring people like me over to the climate side of things, then you need to remove any and all Marxist ideology from it.

Get rid of influential people on your side who suggest policy they know will keep 3rd and second world nations from developing. Drop the redistributionist, and anti personal freedom nonsense and you will have me and many other conservatives on your side. Especially now, as I am getting more inclined to think something is going on as it is 15+ degrees warmer here right now then it should be. It should be annoyingly cold, and snow starting to trickle in. I find my self more inclined to think there is something going on, though I wont support any law or program that hurts the economy.

 

I think kframe has just hit the nail on the head of why people voted for pence/trump.

But what can be done to increase educational standards to stop this, I dont think ben carson being in charge is going to help.

 

I didn't vote for Pence, I voted for Trump. AS that was the only valid option. Why waste a vote on a third party, when voting for either of the third parties is essentially a vote for either of the two mains. Voting for Hilary is out, as i am not a democrat or a socialist.

Now look, due to personal reason's i find myself becoming, ever so slightly and gradually, becoming more sympathetic to the LGBT cause. Do i understand the biology of being gay or trans? No i don't. So i have been doing as much reading on the Gay and trans issues as i can. Especially trans as that is a hot button issue. I feel for those people truly.. Such torment and fear many of them feel.

Do i support Pence on everything, No. I wish the republicans would find a way to include the Gay community and get this issue off our plates. Problem is, how do you reach out to the gay community with out sacrificing your conservative values? Answer that question and you will win over a lot of Conservatives to your causes. Personally, i think part of the answer is to abolish all marriage and make it a simple private contract between two individuals. Get rid of all this government involvement, tell the states to **** off, and let people make contracts among themselves as they see fit.

Looking back at the traditional marriage thing, i don't like how it looks like a exchange of goods between father and husband. So getting rid of government involvement would mean people are free to make their own more equal marriage tradition. Make it part of the contract that the spouse has right to go to hospital/er and help make decisions regarding health if the other is incapacitated. Essentially, everything the law says is marriage, should be covered by the contract. GET THE GOVERNMENT OUT OF IT.

Now that said, stop forcing bakers to make cakes for people they don't want to make cakes for. LGBT made a big stink and ruined a nice couples life due to a cake.. YET, what will the LGBT community do when a Islamic business tells them no, and to get out and they wont serve them? Will you attack them as hard and as vehemently as you did the Christian business that denied you? Will you sue them and drive them out of business? If not then your community is hypocritical.

 

Meant no insult or disrespect. How is that turn of phrase homophobic? Is the LGBT community not your people? You are a LGBT yes? Then how is that not your people? I am a conservative, they are my people. Hell you can use the same exact turn of phrase to address me.

Stop seeing insults behind every bush..

 

Did you ignore the fact that Trump picked Pence as the sugar to attract Conservatives? That was the single biggest factor in his choosing him. It had nothing to do with his Anti LGBT stance, it was a smart move on his part. He needed to get the conservative vote, he would not gotten it with out doing something to reach to them.

Yes he did reach out to the right. Why wouldn't he as a REPUBLICAN candidate? It would be suicide to be a Rep and then try to run your candidacy as a Democrat trying to get their votes. This line of reasoning from you makes no sense. The Dems didn't reach out to the right, and the Republicans are the party of the right so it makes sense he will go after them. Not sure what else you expect. Maybe make it illegal for right wing conservatives to vote?

I do have at least one article of Trump saying he supports strong domestic partnership laws. Why you keep ignoring that is beyond me. Compared to many of the Rep candidates he is the strongest on LGBT issues.

That said, i do agree that Republicans should do more to get the LGBT voter community. But Aaradia how does my side do that with out violating our conservative values?

And regarding the rallies you mention, as we have butted heads before on this issue, as the Rep candidate, he is obligated to go to these IF HE WANTS TO GET AS MANY VOTES AS POSSIBLE. What part of politics and running for office don't you understand. You gotta do what you gotta do.

I know Pence is anti gay, i didn't vote for pence, i voted for Trump. How stupid would it be to not vote for my parties candidate due to his VP? VP has no power anyways.. That would force me to vote Clinton and Sorry NOPE.