HATRED - exceptionally violent - don't know what to think about this......

Discussion in 'Off Topic Area' started by Hannibal, Oct 21, 2014.

  1. Hannibal

    Hannibal Cry HAVOC and let slip the Dogs of War!!! Supporter

    So I am normally fervently anti-censorship, especially in video games, but this one legitimately gave me pause

    If you want to watch this please click the link. Be warned, it's only gameplay but it is EXTREMELY graphic. Mitch

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytdEYapPXdY#t=82

    in games such a GTA and it's clones there is a sense of purpose to the carnage...albeit "profit" is largely the motive. With this one it is just...senseless.

    There is NOTHING about the character that I can buy into and the premise is - to be blunt - tasteless, especially in wake of the high profile mass killings in the US. I find it morally abhorrent in concept and execution and can see a LOT of people with issues being triggered by this sort of thing

    On the flip side it IS just a game....

    Like I said, I really am stuck on this - thoughts?
     
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  2. Rhythmkiller

    Rhythmkiller Animo Non Astutia

    Wow! Just Wow!

    This game will be terrible, it will get alot of shock buys though. People will rightly condemn it. I don't think the trailer can be put in any context that makes it acceptable. I thought the level "No Russian" in COD 2 was bad but by god it doesn't even compare to this.

    Crass and tasteless.

    Baza
     
  3. inthespirit

    inthespirit ignant

    Yeah, seems quite extreme, I don't think such media is necessary for entertainment and I certainly cant see how this would benefit anyone other than the developers wallet.

    From their wiki:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hatred_(video_game)

    I'm pretty sure it will be banned, though like most things, those who want it will find it one way or another.
     
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  4. Smitfire

    Smitfire Cactus Schlong

    The developers are hiding behind a load of post modern nonsense in justifying this game.
     
  5. Rhythmkiller

    Rhythmkiller Animo Non Astutia

    I don't mind gratuitous violence in computer games but there must always be context. I also love the "Anti Hero" idea in computer games and often if i am given a choice i will always chooses the bad route, Fallout 3 was so much better as a baddie but this is ..........i don't know.

    I don't believe in censorship but there should be context.

    Baza
     
  6. Southpaw535

    Southpaw535 Well-Known Member Moderator Supporter

    As you say there's a flip to things like GTA where they're satires and don't take themselves seriously. Wordz on the interwebz is that this game is made by neo-nazis and is completely serious.

    For me though I don't care. I appreciate why that difference is seen as significant but the motive of the creator isn't that important really compared to that of the player. Most who play this will play it to take the mick (and as usual the internet outrage has done wonderfully for free promotion) and anyone who plays it seriously likely plays GTA etc just as seriously. Like the torture scene in gta V took flak because it was seen that people would enjoy it or it made people uncomfortable. Didn't matter that that was the point and Rockstar were poking fun at the US.

    The only genuine reservation I have for this is it gives the "games cause violence" crowd easy ammo. Anyone who says that is an actual risk for this game is going to get flooded with links proving otherwise btw :p

    I understand the moral opposition people have to Hatred but I don't think that's a good enough reason to ban a game. Or any form of media. I dislike the notion of mass opinion being the dictator of pretty much anything. If you don't like it, don't buy it. On top of everything else it looks crap. It'll cause outrage for a bit, few people will buy it (although ironically more will buy it now out of curiosity) and it'll fade into obscurity. This isn't the first morally dubious game to be made and it won't be the last.
     
  7. LemonSloth

    LemonSloth Laugh and grow fat!

    Violence is fine if there's a purpose and a (good) reason for it.

    But with this...I can't see it.

    I'm really not sure what to think. Other than the fact I'll be avoiding this one as it looks boring.
     
  8. Smitfire

    Smitfire Cactus Schlong

    I'm utterly against censorship but just wish people would self censor and think to themselves "Yeah let's not do that...there's no merit to it".
     
  9. Van Zandt

    Van Zandt Mr. High Kick

    I see Uwe Boll has expanded into video gaming.
     
  10. Rhythmkiller

    Rhythmkiller Animo Non Astutia

    I wonder what Neo Nazi's would do with the monies earned from this game :confused:

    Baza
     
  11. Pretty In Pink

    Pretty In Pink Moved on MAP 2017 Gold Award

    You'll find a lot of angsty teens liking this game, and probably giving them ideas. I actually think if there is dialogue it will be worse, because then it will justify itself with various crap like flawed logic and manipulation of feelings.

    Although people have said that about gta, I think this is much closer to the mark.
     
  12. Southpaw535

    Southpaw535 Well-Known Member Moderator Supporter

    So, potentially, you nuked a town of innocent people but shooting them is bad :p
     
  13. Southpaw535

    Southpaw535 Well-Known Member Moderator Supporter

    The context thing is something people have brought up a lot on other threads and news story comments but I don't get it? I mean I get the contextual difference of intended tone, but the context of actually doing it, which I assume is the important one, seems the same.

    Like maybe I'm a terrible person but off the top of my head I've paid a hooker to perform sexual acts on me then beaten her to death with a sex toy, I've performed drive bys in residential areas and ran people over who tried to get away, I've beaten the crap out of little kids and simulated drowning them by shoving their heads down toilets, I've taken a sickle to someone's genitals and let them bleed out screaming in agony, and I've put a bag over someone's head and kneed them repeatedly in the face while they suffocated and panicked trying to free themselves.

    The context to all of those boiled down to "because I could" and I enjoyed doing all of them. Granted I've explained them more colourfully than any thought I actually put into what I was doing at the time, but that still is an accurate description of things I've done in games. And I know I'm far from the only one who's done any and all of those things. For me personally I can't have done those and then try and justify a moral stance on why this game is bad.
     
  14. holyheadjch

    holyheadjch Valued Member

    Oh good. A mass killing simulator. What could possibly go wrong?
     
  15. Giovanni

    Giovanni Well-Known Member Supporter

    people are already simulating mass killing. video games, not really my thing. but i have a lot of buddies that play them. basically, when a lot of them play gta, they grab a rifle and go to the top of a parking structure and start killing people until the swat teams come. apparently, it's a thing to do when playing this game.

    considering how much death and destruction is visited in cyber reality on a daily basis, i'm personally not worried at all of the supposed deleterious effects of more killing online.

    saying all that, this hatred game does seem in pretty poor taste. but that pretty much describes many horror movies now days anyway.
     
  16. Bozza Bostik

    Bozza Bostik Antichrist on Button Moon

    The thread and the idea of context got me thinking about some of the classics (Texas, Exorcist) and the "torture porn" sub-genre. Texas is no where near as extreme as some of the contempory horror films but still far more disturbing and brutal.

    Goes to show that you don't need blood and gore to shock people and a bit of imagination by the film crew will do more than fake eyes being popped out.
     
  17. LemonSloth

    LemonSloth Laugh and grow fat!

    Pretty much.

    But as a redeeming factor of GTA and one of the things that separates GTA from this is most of the plot lines don't require you to do that. Most of them are profit based (through money, drugs, etc) and drawing the police in can really screw things up. There's a pretty heavy negative context to it. That and the violence - while being pretty horrendous when you think about it - is entirely optional.

    This, however, is just tasteless. At least in my opinion.
     
  18. LemonSloth

    LemonSloth Laugh and grow fat!

    I'm not looking forward to the outcry in the media of people who oppose video games using this as an example of indoctrinating our young or whatever crap they come up with though.

    I mean hell, I'm pretty sure the prosecution in the Anders Breivik (sp?) case claimed WoW was part of his self indoctrination process.

    Though thinking about it...we also allow games like Mortal Kombat. :dunno:
     
  19. Hannibal

    Hannibal Cry HAVOC and let slip the Dogs of War!!! Supporter

    Mortal Kombat is "mutual" at least

    Like I said I REALLY dont know....if it was a "wipe out Elves" simulator I would instantly buy it and all DLC. But this one seems wrong and I have a feeling that makes me a hypocrite....but then if it was a "Rape Simulator" it would not even be a question of acceptable or not

    The fact I am unsure is probably a sign this game is in exceptionally poor taste, but again it IS just a game - sprites killing sprites wwithin a self contained universe

    Tricky isnt it?
     
  20. rne02

    rne02 Valued Member

    I actually foung that quite disturbing, particularly the stabbing. And yet if they changed the victims zombies I would probably buy it.

    I guess, it's the motivation behind the violence. There doesnt seem to be any redeeming features its just a pointless gratuitous killing spree for the sake of it.
     

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