I looking through the forums yesterday and my friend asked me why do so many people seem to dislike the BJK and ninpo taijutsu? We started talking and I told him IMO I don't think many people understand ninpo taijutsu and the schools that go into the BJK. Then he asked me why I don't like the BJK, and I told him it is not that I hate the BJK I just don't agree with the way they train and how easy it is to move up in the ranks. I know a few black belts that know the history of the BJK more than they understand the techniques and concepts and how to apply them. This doesn't seem to happen so much in other orgs. So please answer these questions. 1. Why do you think ninpo taijutsu sucks? 2. Why do you hate the BJK, and do you feel the same about the other orgs? 3. What makes the other orgs better suited to teach ninpo taijutsu? 4.What do you like about ninpo taijutsu, and what makes it efficient? 5. How can a practioner of ninpo taijutsu become a better MA and fighter? To answer my own questions 1. I think ninpo taijutsu is a good style . Once you understand it and hve taken other MA's I believe it will make you better. 2. I answered this one above. 3. The other orgs have a set curriculum that tries to guarantee that everyone knows the same techniques once they have reached a certain level have level (ie. all blackbelts know the same techniques. ) 4. I enjoy the use of distance, leverage, weapons training , pyscological training, understanding of terrain around you and general mindset of acute awareness. And while other styles also share these things IMO NT does it the best 5. Ok this has been over done but I find it to be true. Pressure test, spar, Randori, Resistance (past a certain level of course). Understand not only how to do the technique but why it works and under what conditions. Learn the proper technique before you start changing it. Understand the concepts and learn to apply them to other techniques. Find the weaknesses in your training and compensate by cross training. Don't be afraid to ask questions (it's not a cult but the BJK sure comes off as one a lot) Hit the gym and make yourself stronger. Understand leverage and body positioning and cross train to make yourself better in your weak areas. Anyway I would like to hear some intelligent responses on this subject. Please no meat heads or nut riders coming in saying there style is the best and BJK sux. Explain and be semi intelligent about it. Thank you
There is no escaping the sparring issue for most Ninpo clubs - simply you perform how you train in any art. If you dont practice at pace and power then there is a large chance when confronted with it and the adrenal work relating to a real fast intense situation where the punches hurt then you can be found wanting. Take the old Fudoken punch, how many heat seeking punches do we see moving at 0.003 mph , yes its fine for beginers by all means giving them all the time to get out of the way BUT still used to see too many dan grades only being exposed to this unrealistic strike. I will say you can get power behind it with your body weight, but its so telegraphed. Food for thought from a non nut riding point of view - (In all honesty its a dont subject though).
I think it's because many of it's members take themselves far too seriously and react to even the slightest criticism in a totally reactionary and over the top way. It's just too easy to get a rise out of them which encourages people to do it. It's just fun! Nothing to do with the art.:yeleyes:
This is so true I remember sparring a 2nd kyu when I was a mukyu (white belt) and he spent so much time with his eyes closed and back peddling from my punches and kicks. Everything went out the window. After that his smug attitude towards me changed a bit. This is true but I found you can shorten the movement and still make it effective. I use it but I also use western boxing punches more though.
I don't usually comment on people's level of maturity, but you're asking for it. If you want to know how to **** off Bujinkan people in a good way, I suggest you take a look at a certain Frenchman of Moroccan descent.
1. Why do you think ninpo taijutsu sucks? While I'm not sure I'd phrase it quite like that, my (admittedly limited) personal experience with BJK has been less than thrilling. However, the biggest things that I see and dislike, in regards to the organization, are the ranking practices. 2. Why do you hate the BJK, and do you feel the same about the other orgs? Again, I object to the terminology, but I'd say that I haven't got enough familiarity with the other organizations to create any opinion on them. 3. What makes the other orgs better suited to teach ninpo taijutsu? N/A 4.What do you like about ninpo taijutsu, and what makes it efficient? I do like the Ukemi. My Ukemi is more influenced by the few Bujinkan classes that I've had than by my BJJ instruction in the matter. 5. How can a practioner of ninpo taijutsu become a better MA and fighter? Sparring. --Joe
Greetings Everyone, Long time no posting for me. A few people have mentioned ranking here, and I've heard complaints about it before. While I'm not a fan of how ranking is given out like candy (or so it seems in many cases), and would prefer it be handled differently, I'm forced to ask why does it matter? I personally don't place much (if any) importance on rank. I am not sure why BJK ranking systems are of any interest to someone not in BJK at all. What possible significance could it have? Note--I'm not saying you shouldn't like it, but I am saying when it comes down to it--it couldn't have less relevance for a non-BJK person. If a person has a rank that you think is too high, and he/she is strutting around saying "I'm a 5th Dan" or whatever...it really doesn't matter. In my experience people who are overly focused on rank, and especially one who brags about it, aren't worth taking seriously. So, in short--I am not a fan of the way ranks are handled either, but it really doesn't make much of a difference...at least not to me. BudoStudent
I thought all martial arts had people that didn't like them. Having folks spew unfriendly comments about a system is simply a fact. Karate Kung-Fu Judo Taijutsu Jujitsu Brazilian Jiu-jitsu Wing Chun Tai-chi Kali Capoeira The list goes on. Every single one of these systems and many more have gone through their host of "This system sux", "That teacher's a dork", "I'd just shoot him" and other such polite comments. Even MMA is starting to show signs of the inevitable backlash. Martial arts of all types involve fighting and conflict. This is connected closely to aggression and aggressive behavior, so therefore some trash talk is inevitable. Often the volume of negativity is based on two (often related) things: How popular the system is or was recently Recent marketing/public notice of a teacher and/or artist BJK & friends had a long season of high popularity in the 80's, followed closely by the "Not another ninja! They suck!" phase. Things quieted down, but in the past 2 years or so, it seems a resurgence of popularity is dragging the nay-sayers back into barking mode. Tell your friend not to worry about the negative press. This too shall pass. Just train in the style(s) you enjoy for your own personal reasons and that's that.
It matters because you then have a bunch of unqualified shidoshis who have only studied for 4 or five years. I've heard it take at least ten years to be good at BBT, if this is so why do they give Shidoshi rank to people who are clearly no good. I agree with you here to a degree, how does BBT expect to continue to grow if no one respects it therefore no one decides not to study it. Yet when rank is not a factor, how do you respect people of higher rank who are supposedly suppose to be teaching you? But shouldn't it bother you a bit, when you think of it rank usually signifies how much time an effort a person puts into their training. Imagine if the military just gave rank to anybody. BudoStudent[/QUOTE]
.........but that's it, don't need to work at it. Prime example was your post. p.s. At what age/maturity level do you need to be to not have a laugh at getting a rise out of people (are you an accountant?)
Where I come from, usually this sort of stuff ends around after junior high or high school at most. I can only guess that people in your culture mature less quickly. I'm going to go back to meditating on how far this forum's gone downhill.
I think it's the ninja thing,I tell people I study Budo Taijutsu and leave it at that I don't worry what other people think and to be honest i would train in BTJ if it was made up 2 months ago for the simple reason it works for me and i enjoy it!!! Don't get wrapped up in the deadly ninja rubbish and enjoy your training as for unrealistic training i must be lucky because i left my first lesson with bumps and bruises all over the place(and I played rugby for 15 years lol) -LOVE IT!!!
Dad!!!!! I hope you realise that you have brought ridicule down on our entire culture by being so immature. You are a BAD boy go stand in the corner. regards koyo
Bujinka hate Hello new to the forums, anyways, I've been told reasons why so many hate the Bujinkan, because of politics and money. Somebody wants to be a Ninja nowdays, go give the Bujinkan 5k and your a ninja instantly. Including what the Bujinkan teaches, is not what it used to be.
1. Why do you think ninpo taijutsu sucks? I don't think it sucks. I think a lot of the techniques work really well. However, the grading system does suck! There are too many high grades with crap technique who are shown up by low grades in other arts. Either have a strict grading system that is consistent so that everyone knows that a 5th dan is worth having or don't bother with a grading system. The lack of pressure testing in many clubs also means that when tested in reality students often can't hold their own. It does suffer from covering a lot of different aspects of fighting, which means that in order to get good at it you have to train for a long time. 2. Why do you hate the BJK, and do you feel the same about the other orgs? I don't hate the Bujinkan on the whole, I dislike some of the politics it has become involved with and the preachy attitude of some high grades, I also dislike the use of the 'ninjer mysticism' that some clubs and high ranks use (admittedly, however, a lot of this is from non-Bujinkan fake wanna be ninjers, but it does taint the Bujinkan as well). I think that plenty of other arts suffer from similar problems though. The other thing that annoys me is the number of overweight, out of condition folk in the Bujinkan - it doesn't help the art's public image. 3. What makes the other orgs better suited to teach ninpo taijutsu? I think some of the smaller orgs have avoided the mass marketing 'ninjer' issues the Bujinkan has fallen prey to. It also seems to me that they have stricter requirements for grading and often train harder. 4.What do you like about ninpo taijutsu, and what makes it efficient? I enjoy the weapons training, I think when properly trained it teaches a level of adaptability that is excellent for self defense purposes. I like the way the techniques can be adapted for use by small or large practitioners and I like wearing a black! :yeleyes: 5. How can a practioner of ninpo taijutsu become a better MA and fighter? Work on fitness, concentrate on a few basic techniques, pressure test, even cross train in specialist styles to help improve skills, e.g. BJJ, Judo. I agree that some people totally over-react to newbie questions, but I can understand how frustrating it can be to have to constantly defend your chosen style against clueless nutriding trolls. There are some people who take themselves far too seriously but I think you get this in every style (the Gracies for example!). I agree that the rank issue is really badly handled in the Bujinkan but I totally disagree with you when you say it doesn't matter. Of course it matters, it give a bad impression of the art to outsiders, opens us up to serious criticism of the usefulness of the art (by having so many crap blackbelts), makes it really difficult for newbies to know how to find a good instructor and just smacks of 'mcdojo-ism'.
1. Why do you think ninpo taijutsu sucks? I don't, I think some practioners do. 2. Why do you hate the BJK, and do you feel the same about the other orgs? I don't hate orginizations by and large, however, ANY that practices a specialized sport and says it completly prepares you for any self defense situation is garbage, and even more than them, I hate the "Defeat any attackers in just seven easy lessons!" self defense courses that prey on people's anxieties. 3. What makes the other orgs better suited to teach ninpo taijutsu? It's not up to orginization it's up to the teacher and the student. 4.What do you like about ninpo taijutsu, and what makes it efficient? Fluidity, adaptibility, and non reliance on size and strength. Also a "no rules anything goes" philosphy. 5. How can a practioner of ninpo taijutsu become a better MA and fighter? Find a shidoshi that actually knows how to fight and train with intent. Any style is useless if the teacher doesn't push people hard, or the student doesn't apply themselves, doesn't matter what patch your gi has on it or what rank your teacher calls themselves. Are there higher ranked Bujinkan people who dont' deserve the rank? Yeah, nothing new there, every style with more than 100 people training in it runs into that. Are there dojo out there that don't train hard in order to make money by preying on the majorties absolute terror of both pain and work? Hell yeah, same as above. I've got a background in a few different styles, to include the abridged Judo/BJJ that is Army Combatives. This doesn't make me better at tai-jutsu, but definitely makes me a better uke. One of the most important things about any style is the ability to fight someone who doesn't train in your style. Having someone who can attack in a manner that is outside your normal experience is a great addition to any dojo, and if someone neglects that, regardless of what style they are in, they're instantly hamstringing their own combat ability. The tai-jutsu I have been taught works great for me, I've used it in non lethal encounters in my bar hopping youth, and in more serious situations in very sandy, hot places that I don't want to ever see again. The reason it worked was not because the style is inherently awesome, but because it was taught to me well and I didn't panic. From my experience, that's the most important part for any bujutsu student.
