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Old 30-Apr-2013, 05:05 PM
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Kesa Gatame is a pinning technique and if not done correctly can get your back taken or be reversed. You have to use the modified method. Instead of placing your arm around his head you place it underneath his arm which prevents him from taking your back or escaping.
That's teh BJJ variation certainly - froma CACC/sub grappling perspective "standard" kesa offers plenty of opportunities for neck cranks and a plethora of other attacks. Many of them are prohibited in BJJ hence it has fallen from favour, but this is more to do with ruleset evolution rather than any inherent technical weakness

Take any position and it has the ability to be countered/reversed and kesa is no exception. Used properly it causes fits
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Old 30-Apr-2013, 05:11 PM
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That's teh BJJ variation certainly - froma CACC/sub grappling perspective "standard" kesa offers plenty of opportunities for neck cranks and a plethora of other attacks. Many of them are prohibited in BJJ hence it has fallen from favour, but this is more to do with ruleset evolution rather than any inherent technical weakness

Take any position and it has the ability to be countered/reversed and kesa is no exception. Used properly it causes fits
Poor example..... A Judo black belt against a girl with the lack of proper training in BJJ
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Poor example..... A Judo black belt against a girl with the lack of proper training in BJJ
Who still escaped and took her back IIRC........ Thats the Rouseys kryptonite there.
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Old 30-Apr-2013, 05:23 PM
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Who still escaped and took her back IIRC........ Thats the Rouseys kryptonite there.
Exactly.....
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Poor example..... A Judo black belt against a girl with the lack of proper training in BJJ
Although she was dating Henry Atkins for a while.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bA12qAz2E80"]Ronda Rousey Judo demo 11/13/2011 Dynamix Grand Opening - YouTube[/ame]
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Who still escaped and took her back IIRC........ Thats the Rouseys kryptonite there.
That was on the on the first one because her position near the cat have her opponent a kick off. In the middle of the cage she had no answer for it.

Also Ronda fought off the back attack successfully
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That was on the on the first one because her position near the cat have her opponent a kick off. In the middle of the cage she had no answer for it.

Also Ronda fought off the back attack successfully
she had a answer, just couldnt use it because her grappling was no where near the level of her opponent, if it had been she would have escaped again, and if a judo Olympic medalist cant finish someone in scarf and gets their back taken trying it its probably not a great position

And yes she fought off the back attack, she wouldnt have needed to if she hadnt attempted scarf hold in the first place, ive yet to see anyone in without a gi use scarf for anything other than a momentary pin, its not a great place to work subs or strikes it it was we would see it a lot more in MMA where all those cranks are allowed but we dont

Modified scarf is a different beast but its still not as good as side conrol mount or backmount
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Oh no doubt, but as a transition hold or position it is a vital addition to an arsenal and should not be overlooked.

Stephen Kesting wrote on it recently actually and echoes a lot of my thoughts...

http://www.grapplearts.com/Blog/tag/kesa-gatame/
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Also forgot to mention about the OP's photo in reference to his guard. The legs are too low on the back...... legs should be higher on the back with the knees being near the opponent's arm pits for better control of his posture.
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Although she was dating Henry Atkins for a while.

Ronda Rousey Judo demo 11/13/2011 Dynamix Grand Opening - YouTube
I would take lessons from her anytime anywhere wow that hook sweep was freakin great.
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I would take lessons from her anytime anywhere wow that hook sweep was freakin great.
She's very very good. Her ground game and ability to project are some of the best in all of UFC. She would be top 10 at her weight division in men.
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Kesa/scarf should be! It is one of my trademarks - BJJ guys are quite dismissive of it, but at the risk of being controversial its because they don't utilize it properly.

Kimura made heavy use of it in his match with Helio

Let's make kesa sexy again!


Never came across this, I use and have it done to me pretty often in BJJ, Prefer the variant where instead of controlling the head you have your arm under the far armpit, easier transition to other positions.
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Most BJJ players elect for that variation, but it does reduce submission options too if you do that
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That's teh BJJ variation certainly - froma CACC/sub grappling perspective "standard" kesa offers plenty of opportunities for neck cranks and a plethora of other attacks. Many of them are prohibited in BJJ hence it has fallen from favour, but this is more to do with ruleset evolution rather than any inherent technical weakness
I feel the same way too. In the

- 1st picture Side-Top (scarof-hold), you have controlled your opponent's right arm and his neck. You can either work on a joint locking on his right arm, or just squeeze his head to make him to tap out.

- 2nd picture Cross-Body (side mount), you have allowed your opponent to have 2 free arms along with a free neck.

You have worked so hard to obtain your control on one of your opponent's arms and his neck in your stand up game. To give it away in your ground game just make no sense to me.

I truly don't see any good reason to switch from the 1st position to the 2nd position.

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|From side control there's a bunch of good submissions available against those "free arms" though.
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