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Old 11-Jun-2006, 03:21 AM
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Did anyone bother to read through the link I gave?

(no need to go through 10 mins of Google Search )
You mean the TKD Times interview? I did!!!!!!! What a nice interview (and chunk of history). Thanks for the link!
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Old 11-Jun-2006, 10:31 AM
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Dear Ran,

Regarding the integrity of General Choi...

If you where to further investigate the context of his life and the period of his like in which this instance occured you will understand that the Choi Hong Hi was not more than a lad when this occurred.

I believe that service in the Japanese Military, years of imprisonment, near execution, and the numerous years he spent assisting in the resurrection of the Han Nation of Korea (Dae Han) as well as his further life changing experience during the war against communism all assisted in creating the General Choi that is reveared by many!

After all...who can say they never made an error in their life that for which they do not have remourse. I believe any man woman or child with a conscience will agree that they have remourse for something!

AND AGAIN I ASK WHY YOU PROMOTE THE NAME OH DO KWAN WHILE CONTINUING TO BASH ITS CREATOR?

Regarding those who question why no one will stand in defense of the now deceased General Choi...I would assume that it takes no great amount of warrior spirit to do so. I mean even a scared child has more Indomitable Warrior Spirit than those so weak as to cowardly attack the integrity of a great military leader who was one of the founders of a nation only after he has passed.

Prior to his death I didnt see these posts popping up from the blue...furthermore I dont see anyone running their mouths in front of Choi Jung Hwa, Rhee Ki Ha, or any of the others who have devoted their lives to carrying on the Legacy, Legend, and Dream of General Choi!

To General Choi:

Thank you for what you gave my family. In your death you stated that we no longer needed you. You stated that you had two names one granted by your family (Choi Hong Hi) and one blessed by Heaven (Taekwon-Do)...You continued to say that we no longer needed you because we are all Taekwon-Do!

For the Legacy you created and gave to my family I stand today as your prodigy. I will honor and fight to defend that which you gave to my family almost four decades ago.
(JUNG AHN BON KWAN, SEOUL KOREA DAE HAN TAEKWON-DO OH DO KWAN SABUM #520)

I AM TAEKWON-DO...TAEKWON!
Good post.

I have actually PM'd you in reply to when you asked that question before. You didn't reply. I *did* explain.

And there is a huge difference between "attacking somebodys integrity" and "questioning" it. I seriously wish you'd stop taking it to heart.

Infact this is the first time I have "bashed" General Choi. Everything else you seem to have a problem with is the fact that I don't buy into the rubbish General Choi said in his life and Martial Arts.

I honestly and truly respect yours [and the Generals] achievements and dedication to TKD. But don't take it so personally when I refuse to believe that a twin palm pushing block is to block a simultaneous kick and punch.
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Old 11-Jun-2006, 03:12 PM
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I AM TAEKWON-DO...TAEKWON!
oh god... please don't tell me you just said that.
i'm going to go ahead and be embarrased for you.
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Old 11-Jun-2006, 03:17 PM
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Rags, are you stirring the pot again?

The General did what he did. Others have done what they have done. TKD is what it is as a result.

Enjoy it.
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Old 11-Jun-2006, 04:16 PM
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oh god... please don't tell me you just said that.
i'm going to go ahead and be embarrased for you.
LOL!

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Rags, are you stirring the pot again?

The General did what he did. Others have done what they have done. TKD is what it is as a result.

Enjoy it.
You know me Kwang. I love my Taekwon-Do! [I really do.]
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Old 11-Jun-2006, 07:28 PM
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oh god... please don't tell me you just said that.
i'm going to go ahead and be embarrased for you.
I think that was a very disrespectful comment aimed at a man who has dedicated everything he has to learning and preserving taekwon-do, as did his father when he brought it home to his family from Vietnam. Don't be embarrased for him, be embarrased for yourself, because obviously he feels more passion for what is a way of life and not just an activity then you ever will. And hopefully, your next post (whether here or elsewhere) will contain just a LITTLE more respect.
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Old 11-Jun-2006, 07:45 PM
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Infact this is the first time I have "bashed" General Choi. Everything else you seem to have a problem with is the fact that I don't buy into the rubbish General Choi said in his life and Martial Arts.

I honestly and truly respect yours [and the Generals] achievements and dedication to TKD. But don't take it so personally when I refuse to believe that a twin palm pushing block is to block a simultaneous kick and punch.
How does that make sense? Why is there a "first time" at all? What are your reasons for wanting to "bash" him anyway? And how do you truly respect his achievements and dedication to Taekwon-do but you don't buy into his "rubbish." And why DO you promote your school, but don't promote the schools creator? Please explain, if you can.

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Yes. That was where I found out about General Choi's violent inkstone assault.

And having heard it in his own words, Choi comes across as if racism was the sole reason for the creation of Taekwon-Do. To get one up on the Japanese.
How is wanting something that is your own and not a foreign country's racism? How is not wanting something that reminds you of the dreadful Japanese occupation, and improving on what they brought to make it yours racism?

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Old 11-Jun-2006, 08:19 PM
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How does that make sense? Why is there a "first time" at all? What are your reasons for wanting to "bash" him anyway? And how do you truly respect his achievements and dedication to Taekwon-do but you don't buy into his "rubbish." And why DO you promote your school, but don't promote the schools creator? Please explain, if you can.
Different things altogether, no?

Of course I respect his dedication to TKD! How can you not when he dedicated his life to it? I wish I had the strength, will and energy to devote my life entirely to one thing.

And no I don't buy into the things he said. That's a different subject that I've posted on before. Heres an idea, I'll come and attack you with a stick and you can show me how General Choi's U-Shape block works.

And it's not just the creation of Taekwon-Do. General Choi said "I despise the Japanese" and it could just be the impression I get, but from reading that link it seemed a lot more than just National Pride.

Obviously this attitude changed in his later life. But it still makes me feel uneasy about the motives for TKD's creation.

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I promote our school because.... I just do. - It makes a good signature. And actually, I'd say although Choi is at the foundation of our school, the content, the education and the style of teaching is not his work, but my instructors. Who has dedicated a large amount of his life to cross-training, studying and forming his own opinions that are making a real difference in training methods.

And that isn't just school pride. I've seen plenty of schools that are blindly following the General's teachings and I'm glad of the fact that everytime I train with my instructor he opens my mind to many new things, ideas and applications. - Other instructors have more or less done little for my education other than stopping me in the middle of a pattern just to adjust my arm so that the tips of my fingers are level with my shoulder [as an example]. Unaware of how the movement in said pattern is actually used, but very much aware of the exact position General Choi said.

That doesn't make for a good education. And I'm glad that we are moving forwards and not forever carrying on a tradition and never questioning it.

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Old 11-Jun-2006, 09:29 PM
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Maverick...then Rag

Dear Maverick,

Please elaborate on your reason for feeling I should be embarassed or that you should be embarassed for me?


Rag...

Just a few things here...

In relation to the General and his National Pride vs Racism-

I do not believe the jewish population hates the Germans, however I beileve they are justified in there disregard for the Nazis. Why so is that acceptable but it is less than acceptable for General Choi to have discust for the people who destroyed his nation? Odds are there is someone in your family that has spite towards the Japanese Empire of the second World War. Many Europeans fought both the Nazis and the Japanese Empire for the preservation of many nations!

Regarding the Oh Do Kwan and General Choi Bashing...

Personally, I didnt receive any explantion in your PM it simply didnt enlighten me at all. (Not a knock just the way it is). Also, I am greatly confussed as to your disagreance with General Choi and his as you stated "Rubbish"...Would it make since for you to call Henry Ford an IDIOT over and over again while being the owner of a Ford dealership? That is similar to a revolutionary voting for the ruler against which he is revolting!

I just dont understand...please enlighten me!

Finally, there are many that will teach the hyung with no understanding of the purpose of the motions. The how, what, and why of the hyung is the soul purpose of the hyung. However this is the flaw of the instructor not of General Choi. If you read what General Choi calls the training secrets you will see that he states the necessity to understand each movement thouroughly!

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Old 11-Jun-2006, 10:32 PM
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Please elaborate on your reason for feeling I should be embarassed or that you should be embarassed for me?
because that was THE corniest, most cheesy, statement i have EVER read. and i've been on the internet a long long time.

come on spookey, admit it, you got a little shot of adrenaline when you posted that didn't you. did you feel like braveheart just then? did you feel a little pang of warrior pride?

and davidbatemantkd, you can take your respect, turn it sideways and go ahead and insert it right where the sun don't shine. i don't give out my respect. people earn it. emotional windblowing doesn't work on me. and finally, don't ever lecture me. i've done more to preserve the true fighting spirit of tae kwon do than you'll ever know.
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because that was THE corniest, most cheesy, statement i have EVER read. and i've been on the internet a long long time.

come on spookey, admit it, you got a little shot of adrenaline when you posted that didn't you. did you feel like braveheart just then? did you feel a little pang of warrior pride?

and davidbatemantkd, you can take your respect, turn it sideways and go ahead and insert it right where the sun don't shine. i don't give out my respect. people earn it. emotional windblowing doesn't work on me. and finally, don't ever lecture me. i've done more to preserve the true fighting spirit of tae kwon do than you'll ever know.
Maverick, maybe you should cool it before you either piss people or or get a referral.
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Maverick, maybe you should cool it before you either piss people or or get a referral.
you don't know me very well, but that's ok.
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you don't know me very well, but that's ok.
I don't know you atall. I just don't wanna see a fellow dedicated TKDist get stopped from posting.
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I don't know you atall. I just don't wanna see a fellow dedicated TKDist get stopped from posting.
what i AM going to do is avoid a tasteless jesus joke, just for the sake of two or three religious people that i respect
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You really did have a bad day, didn't you, Mav?

But I get what you're saying and agree. It was a Braveheart-esque moment, rife with cheese.

I also see the other side. Someone talked trash about one of my teachers, I'd probably jump to his defense as well. I wouldn't write a big essay on it though.

A gong sau would suffice.
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