Nothing is 100% guaranteed. That said, There are some Aikido techniques that are great for SD purposes.
Dean, you're replying to a poster from 2 YEARS ago. yep techniques, the human body is the same, limited ways to bend and twist. what makes a style is it's principles which guides their setups that prepares the technique. now tell us, which aikido principle guides and sets up your so-called techniques that are great for SD purposes. and oh, evidence please.
oh c'mon dean, that was an educated, well thought-out response! couldn't you bless us ignorants of your great knowledge? :hail: you just didn't update your calendar! :evil: oh well, retcon... and to greg1075:
aikido for fighting It's a bit weird to be reinvolved in such a historic thread, but here goes- You say, Now tell us, which aikido principle guides and sets up your so-called techniques that are great for SD purposes. and oh, evidence please. I teach Krav Maga and hold a 1ST Dan in WTF TKD, and I pretend to no expertise in these, let alone aikido. However, Krav Maga is open to adopting and absorbing techniques from other arts insofar as they accord with our own principles: speed, simplicity, effectiveness & control. So - shortest line of attack or defence (which is not necessarily a straight line), optimum safety for the practitioner, most vulnerable target areas. Sometimes we are taught techniques and told, for example, this comes to us from aikido, or BJJ, or Thai boxing. I have no reason to doubt what I hear and my level of knowledge of these arts is no deeper than this. It is well-known that one or the principles of aikido is for the defender to efface himself in such a way as to over-balance the attacker - judo, jiujitsu, tai chi chuan do as well, but sidestepping to attack is used by Western boxing, TKD and many other arts so what may be an aikido principle can be common to many others, as well. What is then more common in aikido is that the the defender uses the attacker's overbalanced vulnerability to his elbow and wrist joints to turn and neutralise him. In Krav Maga we are concerned with bio-mechanics rather than Ki. An example of such a technique in krav maga would be tai-sabaki type movements (assisted by a strike to a soft target). Another example of SD-practical aikido, and used in police officer safety, is the kneeling on or pinning down the arm at wrist elbow (or just above) of a person being restrained face down on the ground. Again, probably common to other arts, but present in aikido. There are probably many other examples. I hope this answers your question. Remi
I've just started at an aikido school this month since I wasn't able to find a Kung Fu school after relocating to a different state. Would I try to use the little bit of aikido I know ATM In a street altercation the answer would be absolutely not since I'm a noob. Now in a couple years that answer would change to most likely I could use it in a street altercation. Now ater training this art for 5-6 years or more the answer would change to absolutely I would use it in a street altercation if the correct opportunity showed itself. The way I look at it is aikido is just like one of the Chinese Kung Fu or internal arts that take at least 5 years for you to become pretty effective with but once you've got the structure and concepts down it just keeps getting more effective as a self defense art. I personally find it funny how people are so quick to bash on traditional arts by saying their not an effective system of self defense and compare them to the fast track self defense systems like Krav Maga & Systema or even compare them to MMA. If you have only a couple years of time to learn self deffense then stick with one of the fast track systems or MMA. If you plan on taking martial arts for more then 5 years then consider a traditional arts like aikido or Kung Fu.
What I find funny is when people say I cant use my art now but I will be able to in 5 years and then it will be really good and my skills will just get better and better, what do such people think happens to the so called fast track arts like MMA and thai boxing, that these guys DON’T also keep getting better and they are STLL those 5 years ahead of you and you will most likely never catch them up? And your logic seems faulty to me at any rate: traditional martial arts were developed for use during times where if you didn’t learn to fight well quickly you tended to end up dead. If we take the Chinese arts for example: the so called internal art of Yang tai chi was developed by a guy whose family went into bodyguard and escort work, can you imagine them waiting a few years before becoming skilled in fighting, they would have starved to death due to lack of actual work, or been killed when they were attacked lol Chen tai chi was used to defend their village and also I believe to run an escort service again, so quick useable skills would have been much desired Likewise CLF was taught heavily to the revolutionary societies, can you imagine them waiting a few years until they were ready to fight, hang on guys lets not revolute just yet, lets wait another 5 years until our training kicks in ! Southern dragon was taught heavily in the southern military and to the police in hong kong, can you imagine those guys wanting to wait a few years until they were good enough to actually be able to use what they know ?? I don’t think its bashing traditional arts its bashing ineffective training methods which seemed to have developed since those arts stopped actually…well being used in combat and for fighting
That sort of thing goes hand in hand with "I will be able to do this well into my old age, where you can't do boxing, etc. into your old age to defend yourself" that you hear people say. These sort of statements crack me up, it's basically like saying "Ok, this doesn't work now - but in 5 years it will be good, and when I am an old person it will be amazing". I'm not bashing traditional arts either, but that is where you hear this sort of thing. I know there lots traditional arts where you show up on day one and learn something that works right away. Then with practice it becomes more and more workable. But I think age takes it's toll on all of us, and at a certain point you are on a downhill path, no matter how many years you have put in. When I get old(er) I plan to tell jokes for self defense and throw down money and zip away on my scooter as a last result.
If you ask me the reason those TMA arts took so long is that the teachers were pretty crappy and would show you one technique a year and make you stand in position for hours at a time
the absolutely first thing that any aikidoka should learn is how to stay safe and evade an attack--no matter what that attack is: traditional aikido or non-traditional modern attack. this i think is the #1 failure of aikido instruction in my (limited) experience. and you can't get that with ukes that don't give honest and correct attacks. or instructors that don't emphasize that first step. if one can't evade, then unbalancing and applying of technique is all for naught.
Ki is a rather generic term. It's used to describe many things in Aikido which can broadly speaking be broken down into the psychological (mental attitude, intent etc) or the physical (momentum, bio-mechanics etc). It's also misused as a smoke screen by teacher not quite humble enough to admit they don't have all the answers. So bio-mechanics? You're using Ki. :yeleyes:
I think what's missing though is that back then people trained a lot more than the very common 2 to 3 hours per week most TMA practitioners are putting in. And there is the not insignificant fact training was harder with a much higher tempo. Practitioners didn't spend most of their waking hours sat behind a desk glaring at computer screens. Most TMA practitioners are just tourists taking their time enjoying a hobby.
Hahaha. You would like to take a knife against a shaolin monk. Hahahaha. The shoalin monks became famous for their fighting abilities by fighting numerous trained soldiers with swords, and you want to take a knife against them. Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaa:bang:
bed time I was in bed when I got the notification. What's wrong with these people? SOME OF US ARE TRYING TO SLEEP!!!
You have a long way to go my friend. I have been doing Aikido for a year and I am finding that it's starting to make sense. Don't lose faith in Aikido by thinking that this isn't effective for real life self defense or street fighting situations because that will make you an ineffective martial artist. And that's what it comes down to....how personally skilled you are in the art. What you have to remember is that attacks in Aikido are metaphorical so they represent a real life attack (development of zanshin, kime and practicing the concept of sen no sen). Also what you have to remember is that in real life fights or self defense situations attackers will be committed to their attacks because they'll be enraged with fury. Aikido is a type of martial art of where you can naturally adapt your body posture to that of the attackers, hence the word Aiki which is to blend in. But it is a slow process to learn because Aikido is a budo art meaning that you keep on practicing and improving because it's all part of self perfection. And always ask many questions......that's the way how I got around.
