Kamae question

Discussion in 'Ninjutsu' started by furinkazan, Jun 27, 2014.

  1. furinkazan

    furinkazan Valued Member

    Hey guys a question

    I picked up a copy of Carsten kuhn's 'ten ryaku no maki' and was browsing through it when I came across two kamae I haven't encountered before. One is called 'Ryuhyo no kamae' and the other is called 'Ryuhyo fusetsu no kamae.' I've not seen these taught in a class before and I also haven't found much online or in other books referencing them. I have two main questions

    1. Which schools do they belong to?

    2. What are the applications of them? Are they linked to any particular techniques or waza?

    Here are pictures if it helps
     

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  2. Please reality

    Please reality Back to basics

    The top kamae is for when you throw your haduken. You must be grounded and have your tongue on the roof of your mouth for it to be effective. Gyokko ryu, though to answer your question.
     
  3. furinkazan

    furinkazan Valued Member

    Is the second one for setting up tastumaki?
     
  4. Please reality

    Please reality Back to basics

    Gyokko ryu has a lot of interesting kamae, mostly associated with mikkyo, so for the average practitioner, you may never come across them.
     
  5. Niinpo

    Niinpo 万変不驚 Banpen Fugyo

    The picture that says Fusetsu is in fact hanin from the gyokko ryu I think and in more superstitious times was meant to represent a demon with the hand symbol to strike fear into the attacker, the fingers being the horns and in fact for some applications an actual mask in the hand can be used, a metal version can be used to block swords.

    The gap between the fingers can be used to control the attackers arm, to say rotate their arm so it moves from your inside to your outside.
     
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  6. Please reality

    Please reality Back to basics

    The finger positions in Gyokko ryu are in(hand seals) used in mikkyo that mean different things. This is as SKH as I'll get, if you want more details ask a Japanese Shihan.
     
  7. Dean Winchester

    Dean Winchester Valued Member

    Ignore this lot, they are clueless.

    Obviously it is evidence that shows Metal to be far older than originally thought, context is important of course because this particular kamae can only be done in the front row of a concert.
     
  8. Niinpo

    Niinpo 万変不驚 Banpen Fugyo

    if it is hanin the fingers are wrong in the sketch, the thumb should be over the two middle fingers
     
  9. furinkazan

    furinkazan Valued Member

    So this book is incorrect in this part?
     
  10. George Kohler

    George Kohler Valued Member

    Back in my days in the Bujinkan, before 1994, I was shown a way to distract/momentarily blind an opponent with the bottom posture. A small round object, like a small pebble, would be where the middle finger and ring finger is joined with the thumb, and then you would flick these objects from both hands towards the eyes.
     
  11. George Kohler

    George Kohler Valued Member

    Wow, I just realized... I've been doing Takamatsu-den for 30 years, albeit the first 1 year was a waste, since we were doing godai stuff.
     
  12. Niinpo

    Niinpo 万変不驚 Banpen Fugyo

  13. Nojon

    Nojon Tha mo bhàta-foluaimein

    But does the scroll pre-date 1868?:Angel:
     
  14. hatsie

    hatsie Active Member Supporter

    When I first started training buj around '95, Bo munthe days, we had a kamae kata. Bit of a masterbation I think. But it did show various kamae and that second picture was one of them.
    I remember it phonetically called 'rooso foosetsoo' but the retracted hand was more upright, a bit like doko

    Mind you in those days they pushed the 'elements' nonense, ie. 'this is a fire technique'
    'This has an earthy feel to it...' Etc

    Edit: jeez it's coming back to me; hira- hira ichimonji- ichimonji- doko-ryuso- ryuso fatatsu-jumonji-???
     
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  15. Dunc

    Dunc Well-Known Member Moderator Supporter

    FWIW
    The kamae no kata appears in one of Soke's Sanmyaku books I think
     
  16. gtlaau

    gtlaau Valued Member

  17. gtlaau

    gtlaau Valued Member

    Rock On Soke!
     
  18. hatsie

    hatsie Active Member Supporter

    How the heck do you find this stuff? :)
     
  19. hatsie

    hatsie Active Member Supporter

    Lol, I remember my teacher at the time used to always say with this kamae " your mother [ gets intimate] with donkeys"
     
  20. Niinpo

    Niinpo 万変不驚 Banpen Fugyo

    He illustrated the 9 starting kamae in issue 8, the term "kamae no kata" was made up by Brian McCarthy of the BBD I think.
     
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