The Global Warming Thread

Damn those pesky facts!

 

No, that's wrong, you can't pick out the people who have an opinion or answer a question a certain way and leave out the ones that don't ,and then say the ones that don't , don't count, they are scientists too, you count the full group,

32% for warming by man and 68% say not enough proof for any conclusion.
or no warming.

 

No, that's 68% who simply match the search terms but have not said anything explicitly at all. 0.3% said they don't know.

 

No.

You are including in your statistics papers that have nothing to do with global warming in general, out of nearly 12,000 climate science papers and still the number of non-supporting theses that not only mention climate change at all, but go 'against the grain', is statistically very small.

 

I think Avenger is arguing with the wrong people here. I think he should go and argue that there is no evidence for climate change with these folks ... Alaskan Village Votes to Relocate due to Effects of Climate Change

 

even plants are in on the liberal conspiracy. how dare those plants migrate as the temperature changes allowing them to live farther and farther north.

https://www.arborday.org/media/mapchanges.cfm

flora, so liberal.

 

47%, ladies and gentlemen.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/29/opinions/sutter-conservatives-climate-election/

 

Asking for Trumps policies is like asking for Hillary's except she's been lying for 40 years...

 

trump spox: the policy hasn't changed, just the words changed.

http://crooksandliars.com/2016/08/cnn-panel-bursts-out-laughing-katrina

or was he being "sarcastic"?

somewhere up in heaven, vince foster is smiling.

 

Climates change is normal, you are not going to stop it.

And cherry picking 79 scientist from a pool of 12,000 that answer questions to your Liking is not equal 97%. !

 

i suppose it's to much to ask to provide evidence of...

 

This is a logical fallacy. Change happens, but there are normal and abnormal reasons. One normal reason: volcanic activity. Abnormal reason, CO2 pollution. You're struggling to understand the basic stats in older peer reviewed scientific research, and ignoring recent developments that substantiate it even further (see below).

If you're going to attempt to have a scientific discussion about climate, you should at least be able to correctly read a peer reviewed abstract. You're struggling with even that, so I'll make the math simpler for you. Whatever the case, please stop trying to claim that only a small number of the world's climate scientists are in agreement on these issues. The vast majority of experts are in complete agreement, and there is at best a minuscule fringe, conspiracy-driven element supporting your premise. Of the 12,000 papers, only about 80 of them agree with you, and thousands that don't, so if your money is on the 80, good luck with that!

Of 12,000 papers that even mention global warming or climate change:

- 7,920 don't conclude anything (in the abstract). Whether or not the actual paper concluded support or denial for AGW wasn't determined. They just have the words "climate change" or "global warming" in the abstract and it was a "hit". Any of these could have been a study on something completely different, or maybe just mentioned AGW for some reason. Point being, these papers were likely about something unrelated to AGW.
- 3,960 definitely conclude global warming is occurring, and of those 3,960: 3,841 (97%) definitely concluded the cause is anthropogenic (humans)
- 84 definitely concluded the cause is not anthropogenic

On the heels of this survey which only included papers up to 2011, you have these new peer reviewed studies definitively linking climate change with the Industrial revolution.


Early onset of industrial-era warming across the oceans and continents
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v536/n7617/full/nature19082.html

Global warming signal can be traced back to the 1830s, climate scientists say
http://www.smh.com.au/environment/c...s-climate-scientists-say-20160823-gqz260.html

Humans Have Caused Global Warming for Longer Than We Thought
http://time.com/4461719/global-warming-climate-change-humans/

And if all of that isn't enough, every month of 2016 was globally, the hottest in recorded history. May was the hottest May ever recorded, July broke last year's hottest July ever recorded by a large margin.

 

Do you even stop to realize how ridiculous your arguments sound? You keep beating your radical right wing drum to make noise, but the noise isn't even in rhythm, much less actual music. But here you are insisting over and over that the music you're making is just as good as any old Beethoven song, and if we weren't such sheep and hadn't drunk the classical music koolaid, we would realize that fact!

It's both sad and funny at the same time.

 

Does a volcano contribute to global warming?, how about forest fires?, are those man made events?, maybe we should try to control volcanos too !

 

By control we're talking about lessening pollution. Let's not forget that the most important element contributing to climate change according to science, is crap humans pump into the atmosphere at enormous, supra-natural rates since the 19th century.

The volcanic dynamics of the Earth are responsible for a fraction of the 'heat budget' of the earth. Because volcanic activity at the surface is the least ever, the percentage is low. But it contributes a little, with the rest coming from the sun. That this means of course is that it's a precious balance and humans engaging in 'volcanic' activities of our own such as the burning of fossil fuels, accelerates progression back to levels at which human and the survival of life in general especially in certain zones becomes untenable.

A forest fire is nothing compared to a factory pumping waste for decades. Not to mention, most natural forest fires are important ecological events.

Humans can BARELY control forest fires, we can absolutely control pollution levels. look at it that way.

 

so i want to know, why do you believe whoever and whatever organization is feeding you this (dis)information? and yet, you don't believe people and organizations that have data and studies to backup their position?

why in your mind are the deniers right? what evidence have they shown you?

 

Superb chart.

 

Honestly, the chart is a bit flippant and cute (Especially the joke about extinct Pokemon...funny but a bit nonacademic at the same time). But the important parts are in small letters at the top, "compared to the 1961-1990 average", and in that context, this chart shows very little deviation from the average from about 9000 BCE to the present, when it shows a huge deviation from the Industrial Revolution onward, to the projected "2 degree" deviation, which by all accounts would equate to a global catastrophe.

That's the part that climate science deniers seem to grasp the least, the actual global changes due to a single degree increase. While we're currently in the "1 degree" above average era, "2 degree" above average is pretty simple to model (and in that model, half of NYC is under water). The denial crowd uses the term "alarmist" (loudmouths online do love their "ists" and "isms" don't they), but a 1-2+ degree increase in global temperatures is trivial to model (even if we assumed that the causal agents are debatable, which I don't believe is the case). 1-2 degrees more and half the world drowns..that's not alarmism....it's basic computer simulation. We know exactly what happens if sea levels rise as modeled..

 

Well, I read a lot of scientific journals and magazines and while the north polar ice cap is shrinking, the Antarctica ice cap is growing at record rates according to NASA.

 

I've said it before but...I know a very well regarded environmental scientist (Chair in Global Challenges at a prominent university no less) and while talking to him one time he basically said a better term for what we are seeing is "climate chaos". Global warming is what is causing the climate chaos but the system is so complex we will see lots of strange and chaotic phenomena. Having some parts of the globe getting colder while other warm is entirely in keeping with "climate chaos" without it being evidence against global warming caused by human activity.