Shopping Online & Credit Card Security {Split from H&F Guide to Training Resources}

Discussion in 'Off Topic Area' started by Ad McG, Sep 28, 2005.

  1. Ad McG

    Ad McG Troll-killer Supporter

    Thanks, but why exactly don't you like online shopping? If you use reputable sites and use common sense you are probably more likely to be mugged walking to the shops than have someone steal from you on the internet.
     
  2. CrowZer0

    CrowZer0 Assume formlessness.

    My I.T teacher asked me that same question, I asked for his email address, and I had his credit card details the next day, it is VERY easy to get someone's details you may have a keylogger on your computer, firewalls, anti spyware, and anti viruses won't really help you from someone who know's what they are doing and what not, I'm not saying I'm a hacker or anything, you don't have to be one to get details like that people have been using silly programs like sub7 and BO2K with tutorial guides to do some real crazy things. Anyway, to cut it short I just don't trust it, I prefer to deal in cash, I don't like the ideas of loans or credit, money that doesn't exist. That's a whole different matter:p So do you know any good Martial Arts, Body Building stores? Places like Ottokars, or WH Smith would simply say out of stock, out of print, or I could order a copy for you? I would like to browse a bookstore which was specifically made for martial artists. Or any good martial arts frenchises even?
     
  3. Ad McG

    Ad McG Troll-killer Supporter

    So why exactly does this make it any less safe than walking the streets? It's like saying I could come upto you with a knife or some other weapon and take all your money, just like somebody could get your details from your computer if you weren't too careful, or if they were REALLY determined. I would say that you are just as likely if not more likely to be the victim of a mugging/robbery than a victim of online fraud, especially if you are careful online. That's just my opinion anyway, if anyone can come up with any data to the contrary then I would be glad to check it out.

    Anyhow, I have found that Waterstones tends to be pretty good for some books, and can order in most if you want them and they don't stock them. I'm afraid online is a far better option selection wise, and you also get the benefit of reviews and recommendations.
     
  4. CrowZer0

    CrowZer0 Assume formlessness.

    I don't mind muggings or robberies, I can actually try and do something to stop it:) I would know about the situation and I could deal with it, if I get wounded or face any legal action I can deal with it, but losing credit card details and finding out I spent thousands of pounds on it without realising or not having any control over the situation I don't like the idea of, I didn't say it isn't just as likely to get mugged or robbed, but that I have my ways of dealing with, and how I deal with internet credit card or debit card fraud is by not using it online in the first place;) I used to use it, me and my friends did experiment's I know it's not safe and as they say, prevention is better than cure, and personally I agree;) If I could monitor my computer details 24/7 I would, but I can't:p
    So anyways dude, thanks for the Waterstones I shall look for one:)
     
  5. Ad McG

    Ad McG Troll-killer Supporter

    What could you seriously actually do if someone had a decent firewall, never clicked on unknown emails, any kind of unknown messenger, never used the same password or kept them in an email, never used a keylogger when putting their details in and only used secure sites?

    Besides this, the likelihood of you actually being targeted for hacking is so low anyway that it doesn't matter. Each to their own I suppose!
     
  6. KickChick

    KickChick Valued Member

    Just some info regarding using Amazon.com and Credit Card Info security when purchasing anything recommended here on MAP via our Support MAP link.

    Credit card transactions are safe at Amazon.com Books.
    Statistically, it's much safer to use your credit card online than to use it in a restaurant or department store.

    Amazon.com takes every possible precaution to protect the integrity of your credit card information.

    Amazon.com offers you the choice of using the Netscape Secure Commerce
    Server, which encrypts any information you type in. You can safely enter
    your entire credit card number on the secure server, and it cannot be
    read in transit.
    When using a secure server, all the information you enter on the order form--name, address, phone number, etc. is safely encrypted.

    Don't Want to Pay Online? You Can Pay "Offline":
    There are two ways you can order from Amazon.com Books without having to enter your complete credit card number on the Web:


    1.Paying by check or postal money order
    You can select "pay by check" on the order form, and send Amazon.com a
    personal check or postal money order in U.S. dollars for the amount of
    your order. Paying by check does slow down your order somewhat, as
    Amazon.com doesn't order your books until your check is received, and
    they don't ship the books to you until your funds clear. If you are in
    the United States, paying by personal check typically delays your
    order about seven to ten days.

    2.Calling or faxing your card number
    Amazon.com has a way for you to use your credit card without ever
    having to enter the complete number on the Internet. When filling out
    the order form, you can enter just the last five digits and the
    expiration date of your credit card on the order form. This gives them
    a way to track your order but guarantees your security. Then you can
    call or fax them to give us the rest of your credit card number. You
    can do this even if you can't use our secure server, and your credit
    card number will be totally protected.
     
  7. CrowZer0

    CrowZer0 Assume formlessness.

    Firewalls can be crashed with too much data someone with a sky net connection, who knew what they were doing could crash it, you could use the same internet ports as internet explorer using a disguise, you don't neccasirly need to email someone to get connected with them, you could trace a server which emails run through, unknown messengers? Messengers are some of the most easiest hacks, companies, like Norton, Windows, so on leave gaps errors in their own programs to suit their own needs or the governments, Anti Viruses like Norton, Mcaffe and Panda actually have their own bugs left there on purpose which aren't really recognizable unless you understood more than one aspect of computers, so on, there is always a way round, as for why would someone try to get me? I don't trust some people I know, not friends just people I know, who come in handy for certain things but I just dont trust them;) Sometimes me and my friends just mess around with each others computers, kind of like a competition if you must;) So on... Lol there are many other reasons lol:p

    Dude, you know what you know, I know what I know, I don't like or trust the ideas of online shopping I have my reasons:p I just needed a bookstore, I got that thank you, this a H + F resource thread:p these posts are pointless, on a different note, what kind of experience or qualifications do you have regarding health and fitness? Or did you yourself just browse good books and websites and just train yourself?
     
  8. CrowZer0

    CrowZer0 Assume formlessness.

    Thank you KickChick, but that's not my concern I don't distrust the security of comanies I distrust individual hackers or people who target, certain Prsonal Computers, once you type in credit card details, it is usually registered and easil searched for and recognized, it's weird I wouldn't have bealieved it myself if I didn't try out a hacking protcol called "sub7" on myself, someonwhere on your computer it tores details like credit card details, I sued system mechanic, other registry claning, spyware deleting software, it doesn't disappear, scary;) So yeah, Amazon is cool so are other reputable online shopping companies, but personally it still does happen to people who take the right precautions:) and they have to learn the hard way, prevention is better than cure:p
     
  9. KickChick

    KickChick Valued Member

    I split the thread Ultimate Guide to Training Resources off onto this thread as we were getting away from the initial subject of the thread


    Like I suggested: there are other ways to get around typing your cc# online. Read my post :)
     
  10. CrowZer0

    CrowZer0 Assume formlessness.

    Thanks I guess? Lol;)
     
  11. Taff

    Taff The Inevitable Hulk

    Keyloggers would be a "discrete" process running on your computer right? So if you checked over your running processes with vigilance and knew what were safe, you could find the keylogger and kill it?
     
  12. DangerMouse

    DangerMouse Dazed & Confused

    The number of instances of credit card fraud happening on the high street is also increasing of recent.

    All it takes is for some dis-honoust shop assistant to swipe your card through an extra machine and they've got your details straight onto the PC. There's also the question of cash machines and the number of people adding their own little gizmos to them. You'll never know until your statement comes...

    Personally, I've bought plenty of things on the internet with alot of different companies, and never had a single problem. My parents, nether of them having any idea how to use the internet for shopping, have recently had their card debited for £120 for mobile phone top-ups on vodaphone. They, nor any member of my family, have ever had anything to do with vodaphone.

    IMHO the internet is just as safe as using your card in any other way - maybe it's the whole debit/credit card systen that has the security flaw :confused:
     
  13. CrowZer0

    CrowZer0 Assume formlessness.

    Mayb they shouldn't be used as simple numbers but as some form of an encrypted code, a finger print? Or retinal scan, but how much do you trust your government to allow them to keep such close track of you...?
     
  14. KickChick

    KickChick Valued Member

    It's been months since I placed an order online.

    And just the other day I got an email sent to me from some online pharmaceutical co...... thanking me for my recent order of 500 pills in the amount of 890.00 USD

    They had my last name and a man's first name ..... and my address and said it was charged to my credit card. I contacted my company and they had no record of this purchase on my card

    Needless to say I did not click the link in this particular email but took the name from the header and opened up the address in another window and sent them an email to cancel this order as I did NOT place this order for "Sildenafil" nor do I need it ;)

    To this day I still do not know how they obtained my info....
     
  15. CrowZer0

    CrowZer0 Assume formlessness.

    I have a confession to make... IT WAS ME!!!:bang:
    Lol, J.K, btw that was a fake, they got your name somehwree probably your email profile or something, sending the email is a way of advertising in itself, some people get emails like this and quite like the idea of the product and order it anyway.
     
  16. inteq9

    inteq9 165lb of TROUBLE!

    I've bought tons of stuff online and never had my information stolen.
     
  17. LJoll

    LJoll Valued Member

    lol. That wouldn't really work with $890 of medicine though. I wouldnt trust a company that sent me emails saying that I've spent large amounts of money with them on my credit card.
     
  18. CrowZer0

    CrowZer0 Assume formlessness.

    If it was an old man who had trouble keeping his woman satisfied and it was viagra at an amzingly low price say 200 pills for 400 dollars, I bet you a nickle in hell that he wud do it lol, plus not many people are as internet or computer knowledgable as many of us mappers so evidently are, half the people who use the net have no idea of what a forum is.
     
  19. Ad McG

    Ad McG Troll-killer Supporter

    A couple of people I know are pretty geeky and are actually "in" with some rather amazing hackers and they all laugh at garbage like sub7. Don't even talk to me about lame IE either, use firefox, better in every way. Aside from that, I would still say that online shopping is about as secure as it gets if you are careful.
     
  20. hux

    hux ya, whatever.

    Good Lord. I have spent and received probably 20k in credit card transactions over the web in the last three years and that doesn't even include my partner's stuff. Knock on wood, never have had any problems whatsoever.

    I find it hilarious that people are STILL worried to the point of refusing to do ANY online shopping but will hand their credit card to a waiter in a restaurant who could make an imprint, swipe the strip through a personal reader, etc, etc, etc...weird.

    Just be careful. Use reputable sites. open a credit card with a low limit and use it exclusively for online stuff if yer that worried. There's a legal limit in the US to your exposure due to theft or fraud anyways, it's like $50.
     

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