It also shows the dangers of standing bolt upright, chin up, with no head movement and the flaw in back peddling instead of circling. Pretty much all of those things appear to be chun idiosyncrasies or perhaps idiosyncratic of poor practice and implementation of its theories by individual exponents.
you forgot to mention that sometimes no matter what the theory says a round strike gets there before a straight hit and hits wayyyy harder :hat:
for the love of god why dont people actually wear gloves so then can, i dont know actually make some level of contact and make drilling meaningful?
Heck, the way most chunners leave their hands down by their chest without even passively covering the centre line gives me little hope they could even deal with a straight.
I believe this is a general MA issue. I have tried to find "head movement" from forms/katas of many different MA styles. Besides 2 men forms, I just can't find any "head movement" ever exist in the solo form/kata. Why didn't the original form/kata designers put "head movement" into his form/kata creation? May be someone in this forum can answer this question. Also the "circling" footwork doesn't exist in many MA systems either. I wish someone will add these 2 missing elements into the "modern MA system" so people won't ask these kind of questions 1,000 years from today.
Agree! A "round strike with body rotation" has much more knock down power than a "straight strike without body rotation". Also round strike can redirect straight strike just like the "spear parry" or "sword parry". Someone may say that "inch punch" will be the solution. But we don't see that "inch punch" used in the ring yet. Is "inch punch" real, or just a theory? May be the modern WC system was created just because some people may think that "inch punch" is not that easy (if not impossible) to develop.
Yeah, while the patty-cake crowd are doing their geometry lessons, some people are working on their timing for hook punches
My first Chinese art used the same inch punch, we used to demo it by breaking wood from an inch away, never saw it used once in actual sparring though interestingly the best shock power usage I ever felt came from an Iowa wrestler he could snap you down so quickly you felt whiplash and his hand hardly moved lol
I could well imagine that over time, just as head movement and circling tends to deplete with exhaustion, that the same happens to forms.
This is the only form that I know that has a "head movement". But it's a 2 men form that you drop your head to dodge a outside crescent kick. [ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwHesVnCScs&feature=youtu.be"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwHesVnCScs&feature=youtu.be[/ame]
I think the concept is that you put the oomph in at the end of a strike ,not at the beginning, to help with less telegraph and speed.....you get there with speed then finish it as late as possible. The inch is irrelevant.....it's just being as late as possible and refining it to get later and later. Obviously it's only one way to strike. Lots of fighters have never done wing chun though so as a concept it's universal to those who fight full contact as oppose to having to specifically be wing chun and look wing chun. That's probably why it gets lost. A bit like trapping. Single traps ,so to speak, are all over boxing and Muay Thai in one form or the other...clearing hands to strike in a pre emptive manner which might end up going into hand fighting/clinching. In sumo it pops up Judo....wrestling....it's just grip fighting,hand fighting, clinch ,where it can go on longer because there's no striking. But more than one trap or some on and on fancy back and forth trapping session in a serious fight ? Not likely. Boxers, Thai boxers,sub grapplers, sumo, judo.....all do the concept better IMO simply because it's what's effective and not to look a specific way.
I think you confusing clinch range with trapping at this range you really almost at the person face and is where Judo and wrestling take place at this range. At this range you really at the persons face. This is where things are messy and you get knee strikes to your head or elbow strikes:bang::bang: Holds, grabs, take downs and throws.:cry::cry::cry: From my understanding wing chun does not spend much time teaching you in this range so you may need Judo or wrestling. If you are really good at trapping you can stop people from getting into the clinch range.
There certainly is benefit to being able to put some oomph behind a strike a matter of inches away from a target. Thing is, I'd put my money on boxers being able to do that over WC practitioners, in general. Like getting body shots in the clinch; they don't look hard on TV, but most people wouldn't like being on the receiving end.
Yea some of wing chun school training moving and showing you that and how to deal with moving. You can see the people moving in and out. Dallas school [ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YPQ-5iL03w"]Dallas Wing Tsun Kung Fu (Sifu Jason Bolanz) - YouTube[/ame] Other different Houston schoool than other Houston school [ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GiJgIXb6eqc"]Houston Wing Tsun Kung Fu - YouTube[/ame] In street fight or like in MMA, boxing so people moving are not standing still but moving and how to deal with it. These school wanted to sure you that than class class practicing trapping. Good school that will show you how to deal with the different fighting ranges.
I'd put my money there too. That's the point. It makes no sense to stand there with the fist an inch from a target in a special stance and showing off and using it like a trick. The concept makes more sense as the end of a strike that got there with speed and was non telegraphic and sneaky ,from any range..long, short...any strike.... like a good boxer or any good striker does.
There was Hollywood movie I don't remember the name of it but people where moving similar to what you see in this Houston school. [ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqN9nFBq2ao"]Women's Self Defense Class in Houston | Wing Chun Kali System - YouTube[/ame] [ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSp1yF6SOkY"]Wing Chun Seminar - YouTube[/ame] [ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iguYcDR601Y"]Wing Chun Kali Houston Tx - YouTube[/ame] [ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CuGW3mDNidM"]Fighting Circle - YouTube[/ame] [ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJ5XeJMUAI4"]WING CHUN KALI SYSTEM SCHOOLS IN HOUSTON TEXAS - YouTube[/ame] [ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zr1LPTHUPhU"]Wing Chun Kali System Texas April 2011 Seminar Video 1 - YouTube[/ame] http://wingchunkalisystem.com/iron-sports So they seem to have number of programs. But there was Hollywood movie that had similar moves.
Clinch and trap ranges overlap. All the adjacent ranges overlap. That is why I define the range as when you need to take a small step to perform the action. So imagine that you have to take a small step to clinch someone. That is clinching range. If you already are in range to clinch, then that is grappling range. This is where the range starts because it is the range that you want to be at to have time to defend against the attack. In other words, to defend against the clinch, I'm going to stay just outside of where I can get clinched without a step. To avoid a punch, I'm going to stay just outside where a punch can reach me without a step. That is possible, but IMHO, it is not possible to control range unless you run away or there is a physical barrier in the way to stop the opponent. The best good trapping skill will do is give you the advantage when entering into clinching range. The advantage could help to avoid getting into a clinch and even set you up nicely with close in striking.
The easiest way to control range is to close it and grapple. If you're really good you can control range by denying your opponent the opportunity to grapple. Like what you were saying about the "red zone": it's reactive, so if you're doing better than your opponent at striking in the "red zone", you keep the fight there till you knock them out. If they are doing well there you either snipe in and out of range or close the gap and grapple.
The one inch punch is just a demonstration of good body mechanics and structure. Not much else going on. There's no real benefit to waiting until the end of the punch to generate power. Punches are simply more powerful in a range near full extension by their nature. And 'trapping" range is being a little generous. It's something that occurs when changing from striking to clinching but those ranges overlap and trapping occurs pretty much anywhere within them. There isnt so much a range unique to it. Virgins talking about sex comes to mind.
But, just like the jab, if you can generate enough of a reaction from your opponent by giving them a dig from a few inches away, you can capitalise on that with a more decisive blow (or takedown, or throw, or whatever). It doesn't have to knock them across the room to be a valid technique.
