Somersaulting Nausea

Discussion in 'Health and Fitness' started by MrRiggs, Feb 1, 2015.

  1. MrRiggs

    MrRiggs New Member

    Hi Guys

    Since i was a kid i have had ear issues having both ear drums burst.I have also never been able to spin around or do rolls. 10 yrs ago i had the most awful vertigo that lasted for over a month when ever i bent my head down lower than my body i would just spin out. This was all caused by allergies as i had bad sinus that blocked and caused infections. For about 7 years now i am sinus free. Problem is i can still not roll or spin. If i do repeated rolls on the ground i get sick very sick. My body starts to heat up i feel terribly nauseous my saliva gets thick and i am just off balance. If i do it for long enough and get really sick i just go home after training and even when i wake up in the morning I'm still feeling like a hangover sickness.

    Problem is no one understands this and we are expected to do a lot of rolling. Sometimes i can do the fast ones and dive rolls but if i do too many I'm done.Sometimes one sets me off sometimes i can do ten before i start getting the symptoms. I get told I'm doing them wrong and I'm not i medically can not perform these rolls. Is there anyone else that suffers like this because on a bad day I'm ready to quit training due to frustration and anger of not being able to perform this drill and from fellow students that do not understand my predicament.

    Does anyone know if its possible to overcome this as i have had this problem my whole life and i don't think it will ever come right. I bought some motion sickness tablets but they just make me drowsy. I really don't want this to come between my training and progression and my fellow students who seem to think I'm just trying to get out of rolling.

    Thanks
     
  2. Mangosteen

    Mangosteen Hold strong not

    have you talked to your instructor about your medical condition?
     
  3. Simon

    Simon Administrator Admin Supporter MAP 2017 Koyo Award

    And indeed a return visit to your doctor.

    The burst ear drums have healed, but have you had a check up to see if there is a further condition you're not aware of?
     
  4. belltoller

    belltoller OffTopic MonstreOrdinaire Supporter

    My right ear drum completely is ruptured - I'm kinda glad in a way as it allows some of the chronic, mildew-based infections to drain out. Left eardrum was perforated for years and developed complications a few years when a rodent-borne organism invaded the mastoid space and I developed septicemia - ended up having surgery last year and will have to undergo surgery again in about a month. Chronic otitis media, chronic sinusitis, chronic this, chronic that...

    I know how you feel when it comes to ear/balance/allergy/infection problems - trust me.

    I don't do BJJ, so I canna say if rolling would bother me. I do become quite dizzy when I spin around fast, though the times I've inverted on the gym rings hasn't bothered me or given me vertigo.

    Surgery makes things a lot better - always feel like a million bucks after a surgery. Cleans out all that muck and leaves you feeling fresh - at least for a while.
     
  5. MrRiggs

    MrRiggs New Member

    Nausea

    Hi

    I have explained the situation to everyone but i think i will visit the doctor or an ear specialist to get a full explanation as to why. If i am unable to do rolls then at least i will know why and that there is nothing else wrong. But for me its just that people are different and some cant do what others can. If you have a damaged back then people understand so why dont they understand this.I train with a good bunch of guys but i know its not easy for them to understand.

    Thanks
     
  6. StrikingDragon

    StrikingDragon Valued Member

    What do you actually train in? Surely this is something your coach should understand and make allowances for?

    Dont get frustrated and give up but maybe you need to look for a school change or to an art thats less spinny?
     
  7. MrRiggs

    MrRiggs New Member

    I am training in Systema. I don't want to train in anything else. I will be visiting a specialist to see if there is anything i can do. I just thought someone else might have experience the same thing i am going through and maybe there was hope in being able to overcome this demon.

    thanks
     
  8. philosoraptor

    philosoraptor carnivore in a top hat Supporter

    First bit of advice would be to quit systema. :]
     
  9. RobP

    RobP Valued Member

    First thing - any medical condition, see your doctor, don't take medical advise from forums!

    Second thing- your instructor / classmates should be a lot more understanding and be helping you not just telling you you are "doing it wrong".

    Third - there are some instructional clips on Youtube for Systema rolling that may help, you can search for them or PM me for a link.
     
  10. StrikingDragon

    StrikingDragon Valued Member

    I am sure you arent the only one to have this problem. We had someone train with us that had inner ear problems and it was just a case of him not doing rolls and taking things a bit easier at other times.
     
  11. belltoller

    belltoller OffTopic MonstreOrdinaire Supporter

    If inner ear problems are bad enough, it not only affects balance but one's coordination and perception of spatial distance awareness - which are critical in any sport.
     
  12. MrRiggs

    MrRiggs New Member

    Hi

    First thing is i wont quit Systema because (and i am not going to argue on this subject) in my eyes it is a way of life.

    Second i am very lucky in that my imbalance does not affect my spatial distance or my balance in anyway. It is only once i start to roll around.

    I am thankfull for the input and in no way do i take medical advise from anyone but it would of been nice to have just known there are others out there like me and maybe someone who overcame this.

    The guys do understand but in the end this is training. I try and then just carry on with other excersises if it gets bad but i have to try. My method is correct i breathe correctly and i can roll without too much tension it is just the nausea and disoriantation that builds up.

    In the end it is not for one to feel sorry for one self but to overcome a disability with an ability. Thanks for all the input.I will post once i have an outcome from the doctor. At least one day someone might be answering the same question and i will have the answer. Even though we train different disciplines i believe that we should still honour each others choices and at the end of the day we decide what is best for us and it gets us to the point we were searching and training for in the first place. I did kickboxing for 13yrs and had my own club for 3. I dont interest in obtaining a coloured belt or fighting in the ring again. I study for reality.But if you enjoy just kata or knocking someone out in the ring then thats your goal and not for me to judge.

    Keep well
     
  13. MrRiggs

    MrRiggs New Member

    Good day

    So finally i have got to the point to get off my ass and seek medical help as there is a 4 day survival day coming up that i am going to. I visited the Specialist who after hearing my story thinks my condition could be related to a form of injury vertigo. I once had a street fight in a drunken state and tripped over some stairs behind me and had one guy jump on my head which knocked me spark out. The other two injuries were from induro riding.One the bike front wheel slipped from under me in a river causing me to land on the handel bars with my neck. The second much worse was when i flew over the handel bars at least 15m down a bank onto my head and heard an enormous crack and everything went white for a while. I do have a long skinny neck so i dont know how i have never broken it.

    Anyway yesterday i had a 40 minute MRI scan and now i am booked in next week for a 2,5hr Electronystagmography test. So pending the outcome i will keep you informed. Very expensive tests but i suppose i can have closure on my problem and evidence that i am not just cooking up some story in my head.

    Keep well ,keep training ,until my next post.
     
  14. matveimediaarts

    matveimediaarts Underappreciated genius

    IDK enough about this condition to give specific advice. I can say that one avoids dizziness in pirouettes and other extensive turns by "spotting". (there are tubes on this, but it's hard to learn without a dance teacher) That is, picking one spot on a wall to focus on instead of spinning randomly. If you're still dizzy, just stare at your hands a moment and it goes away. (for me, at least)
     
  15. MrRiggs

    MrRiggs New Member

    So i know i never got back as i have been really busy over these last months. Just to clear it all up i went for my Electronystagmography test and i can promise you its a test no one wants to go for. I was so sick after that i could not walk and it is a test i would not want anyone to have to go through. After having gone back to the specialist i was very happy to see that the two thin veins that run up inside my neck have not been damaged or kinked. I was told if this had been the case i would of suffered from a stroke long ago. My outcome is somehow in the accident i have damaged my two nerves that run up my neck but somehow also my inner ear that controls balance. My body has compensated for the in balance but i have been told anything could set off a vertigo relapse so i should avoid working on ladders and climbing.

    So i'm happy there is no brain damage like the first specialist said i had a build up of fluid. Out come is not to do any rolls or such that could mess my neck up as it is damaged. Seeing as i have been living like this for years now and only since i started training where my neck undergoes stressed situations i am going to carry on training and just make sure i don't break my neck.thank you for all your comments and after spending around R17000 (lucky i have medical aid) i have also been able to put to rest this condition and also help others understand who just thought i was doing rolls wrong.

    Keep up the training and keep well.
     

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