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Old Yesterday, 05:40 PM
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I'm not going to turn this into a tool measuring contest,I've seen and been involved in enough to know people you thought were out aren't necessarily going to stay down.
And when things are chaotic that's what needs to happen.

Like I know for a fact some people in some circumstances will avoid the camera,some things look bad on camera.

I've had interactions with good police and bad ones,the same with magistrates.
I've been questioned over ripping someones clothing when he attacked me by one constable and had another say under oath that I've set an excellent example of appropriate force,despite some damage being done to my attacker.

Lots of opinions and 'morals',it should be clear cut,you attack an innocent person and almost nothing's off the table as far as them defending themselves imo.

I know a few people who've lost their licenses for using necessary but un-PC methods.

I'm not 'advising' anyone,I'm telling you door staff act very differently on camera and for good reason.
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Old Yesterday, 05:56 PM
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You have to understand that as a martial arts forum with a world wide membership we can't give advice based on possibilities, irresponsible law enforcement or how others have acted.

Our advice has to be based on the law.

Teaching and educating in regard what a person in need of defending themselves is allowed to do, be that de-escalation, pre-emptive strikes, or a continued progression to disable an attacker.

We advocate that a good self defence system is legally underpinned, that is to say a basic education programme that not only deals with the physical aspect, but the legal side too.
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Old Yesterday, 08:14 PM
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You have to understand that as a martial arts forum with a world wide membership we can't give advice based on possibilities, irresponsible law enforcement or how others have acted.

Our advice has to be based on the law.

Teaching and educating in regard what a person in need of defending themselves is allowed to do, be that de-escalation, pre-emptive strikes, or a continued progression to disable an attacker.

We advocate that a good self defence system is legally underpinned, that is to say a basic education programme that not only deals with the physical aspect, but the legal side too.
Mate I'm not giving advice,I'm just analysing what I seen.

Imo if there wasn't a camera over the guards head he,or the man to his left may well have acted very differently when it became apparent it was escalating,which was well before it kicked off.

I would of course agree,we should all stick to the law as it is.
Whether or not we agree with it.
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Not to be contrary, but I actually believe you can.

I used to have a book called "Know your rights" and it included a section on UK laws regarding self defence.
To roughly recall what it said is:
"If you take action because you have a genuine belief that an attacker is armed, even if it later transpires that he is not, your actions will still be judged based on your interpretation at the time."
I'll try and track the book down so I can post the full details.
That's different because there is a balance of subjective and.objective articulable factors coming into play

Giving them a dig on the offchance was the scenario presented and my initial assessment stands
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Lots of opinions and 'morals',it should be clear cut,you attack an innocent person and almost nothing's off the table as far as them defending themselves imo.
"Yes Officer, she slapped me so I broke her wrist"
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Lots of opinions and 'morals',it should be clear cut,you attack an innocent person and almost nothing's off the table as far as them defending themselves imo.
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"Yes Officer, she slapped me so I broke her wrist"
^Exactly!^

Below is an extract from a pretty long article (http://www.nononsenseselfdefense.com...ense-Wrong.htm) written by Marc MacYoung which I think covers this misconception quite well...

"It's not enough just to know a technique.
You also need to know when to use it and when not to.

I use the term "appropriate for the circumstances" quite a bit when talking about self-defense. This isn't just if it's legally justifiable for the circumstances, but also if (given the circumstances) the move will work or not.

On the Self-Defense hub I used an analogy of a public swimming pool. A pool that has a shallow end, a middle and a deep end. I'm going to expand on that general idea by with the following
A level factors + Appropriate A level response = Good
B level factors + Appropriate B level response = Good
C level factors + Appropriate C level response = Good

Easy right? Now consider this
A level factors + C level response = Bad
B level factors + B level response = Good
C level factors + A level response = Disaster"


...Pretty self explanatory I'd say.

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I have a suggestion for all of you...
Do you know the best thing in fight is??
You need not to be a good MMA athlete, body builder..etc..
The thing you need to be is...
you need to be a good runner...
when ever you have a fight just keep running as you can without looking back :P
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I have a suggestion for all of you...
Do you know the best thing in fight is??
You need not to be a good MMA athlete, body builder..etc..
The thing you need to be is...
you need to be a good runner...
when ever you have a fight just keep running as you can without looking back :P
A couple of things spring to mind.

This assumes you can run to somewhere faster than the person chasing you.

if you can't you face the same assailant exhausted.

It also assumed you are on your own. I'd hate to run to safety and leave loved ones or friends to face the danger.
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