Can BJJ practitioners benefit from practising Japanese Jiu-Jitsu

Discussion in 'Brazilian Jiu Jitsu' started by GojuShotokan, Jan 29, 2017.

  1. GojuShotokan

    GojuShotokan Valued Member

    I was wondering if a BJJ can benefit greatly from studying Japanese Jiu Jitsu.

    I was thinking the BJJ practitioner may be able to improve their stand up along side potentially understanding more about some of the joint locks that are taught and possibly even develop some new techniques of their own through training in other Jiu Jitsu styles?
     
  2. Hannibal

    Hannibal Cry HAVOC and let slip the Dogs of War!!! Supporter

    In theory, yes....In practice less so due to massive quality control problems inherent in JJJ

    That said, find the right instructor or mix and they make a nice combo
     
  3. Dead_pool

    Dead_pool Spes mea in nihil Deus MAP 2017 Moi Award

    Yes, BUT i would definatly not include the majority of the dross taught as Western Jiujitsu.

    Really in terms of stand up, Judo/sambo and wrestling are the go to arts.

    Training in a Koryu Jujutsu definitely has a point (get it) to it, heres a good article about this -

    http://www.grapplearts.com/submissi...-ju-jutsu-when-cultures-and-concepts-collide/

    ''Summary

    The study of these different approaches to combative grappling can be a fascinating and rewarding undertaking. The classical approach emphasizes issues related to culture, history, and the perils of total combat. Modern Submission Grappling, on the other hand, offers a highly efficient training method to develop skills and proficiency in the techniques of combative grappling. It is the opinion of the authors that practitioners of both arts can benefit by being exposed to the other art and approach.''
     
  4. Dunc

    Dunc Well-Known Member Moderator Supporter

    Personally I like the combination of Traditional Japanese Jujutsu (TJJ) and BJJ, but it depends on what you want from your training

    There is a shared history and I find it interesting to see where some of the techniques used in BJJ evolved from and to explore how one might apply the concepts/principles of TJJ to BJJ techniques/situations

    If you want to strengthen your stand up game for comps then I'd go for Judo, Wrestling or Sambo - TJJ is a different thing
     
  5. greg1075

    greg1075 Valued Member

    Some but not early enough to justify the time and money investment even if the instructor / training method are good, which as mentioned above are a major issue in western jjj. You would be much better served cross training in wrestling, Judo or Sambo if your goal is to be a better grappler; or in boxing, Muay Thai or kickboxing if it is to become a more complete fighter.
     
  6. Vince Millett

    Vince Millett Haec manus inimica tyrannis MAP 2017 Gold Award

    Having recently started to have some intermittent contact with practitioners of non-Japanese but "traditional" jiu jitsu, I wish i could ask for names/schools etc. Guess I'll have to judge by observation.

    I'm genuinely interested in various strands of Jiu Jitsu but I see a lot of bad, bad, stuff on YouTube, for example. I see a lot of what seems to be poorly executed judo with a few punches and roundhouse kicks thrown in.
     
  7. Giovanni

    Giovanni Well-Known Member Supporter

    sure, but i think the gains would be minimal in "fighting". maybe cultural and other items would be worth it.

    but i would say, if someone wants to improve their standup, do judo. if someone wants to improve their striking, box.

    not saying that i'm 100% right or that there can't be some benefit for some people. but for me, i would advise to just concentrate on judo to improve the standup for bjj.
     
  8. Dead_pool

    Dead_pool Spes mea in nihil Deus MAP 2017 Moi Award

    The majority of 'arts' connected to 'juko ryu' and the WJJF are absolutely awful, and make up 90% of the Jiujitsu scene.
     
  9. Vince Millett

    Vince Millett Haec manus inimica tyrannis MAP 2017 Gold Award

    Have just done some Googling about them...blimey! A lot of bad stuff, going back a long time. And I thought BJJ had some silly politics at times...
     
  10. Dunc

    Dunc Well-Known Member Moderator Supporter

    No idea what Juko Ryu is, but their youtube clips are truly awful.....

    @GojuShotokan - where are you based?
    There are several reputable places teaching TJJ in the UK
     
  11. Dead_pool

    Dead_pool Spes mea in nihil Deus MAP 2017 Moi Award

    Juko kai/ryu were the origins of the WJJF/BJJA, and as fraudulent as fradulent could be, theres even a documentary from the 80's of one of they're blackbelts going to japan and realising they had made the entire thing up!
     
  12. Dead_pool

    Dead_pool Spes mea in nihil Deus MAP 2017 Moi Award

  13. Vince Millett

    Vince Millett Haec manus inimica tyrannis MAP 2017 Gold Award

    That was interesting! I'm not sure much has changed....

    Incidentally, when the Martial Arts Commission launched in the 70s, there was a big event at Crystal Palace Sports Centre. I was still at school and studying various martial arts but we had Aikido at school. They needed "runners" in the venue in case messages needed to be sent so I got to be right at the front, in the demonstration area itself. Didn't have to do anything and got to see the whole event close up.

    I do recall being impressed with the ju jitsu at the time and also that there were some very high level Shorinji Kempo guys sitting in the stand right behind me where i could hear them talking. The ju jitsu was the only martial art demonstrated that they expressed any appreciation for. I wish I could remember who the ju jitsu performers were but I'm guessing it might have been Robert Clark or maybe Michael Finn.
     
  14. Vince Millett

    Vince Millett Haec manus inimica tyrannis MAP 2017 Gold Award

  15. Dead_pool

    Dead_pool Spes mea in nihil Deus MAP 2017 Moi Award

  16. Sandy

    Sandy Valued Member

  17. Dead_pool

    Dead_pool Spes mea in nihil Deus MAP 2017 Moi Award

    ^ Its another name for the WJJF.
     
  18. righty

    righty Valued Member

    There can certainly be some benefit to it, however it will depend on exactly what you want to get out of it, and what you already learn through BJJ. There can be better choices depending on this.
     

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