Manriki Chain/Manriki Gusari

[nickh]

Beware the temptation of learning from books without teacher.
Once you start down the road of making things up, forever will it dominate your destiny. Consume you it will. As it did with ManabiMashoMan.
He was seduced by the in-side of the book.

[Grimjack]

Originally Posted by Hapkido Student

..Very true. However I mean a weapon for self defense.

Well as soon as you find someone who can document using the Manriki kusari in actual self defenense situations, please excuse the rest of us as we have a good laugh at the idea of combat virgins giving out sex advice.

[Fighter4Higher]

Heh, Neither one of us has given out specific advice on how to use the manrikigusari in a self “defenense” situation. From the beginning I’ve merely said it may work, it may not, posted my previous thread for help from others who have more experience, and made it very clear that I do not advocate how I train to anyone else. Regardless of all of that I get replies like …

Originally Posted by Gunyo Kogusoku

Well then you aren't doing real manrikigusari

Really…? And I never made any claim to be using actual techniques,

Originally Posted by Grimjack

How do you know that without having used it in combat?

I never said “I KNOW ” any actual techniques period, as a matter of fact I have stated the complete opposite so why must you continue to INSIST that I made this claim?

Originally Posted by spookyFBI

Your basics are your foundation. They are one of if not the most important thing as everything else comes from them! So if your basics are flawed then everything that is based around them is flawed!!!

How do you know you are doing it correctly? You need a teacher !!

Books/DVDs are great as supliments.

I agree I have learned things and had to relearn them when I realized they we’re incorrect. It is indeed harder to relearn something once you have learned it the incorrect way however, In the end in my experience it has made me stronger in my abilities and has helped me to make sure others don’t make the same mistakes. If teaching was available to me on the manrikigusari at the moment I would take it, however for now, I’ll learn the only way I can get a good feel for the weapon, continue to develop my respect for it, and deal with it later. Few training errors are irreversible

Originally Posted by nickh

Not to mention that the self-taught people have this nasty habit of then going and teaching other people their made-up stuff. That's how fraud styles begin.

Honestly do you THINK I would consider training someone else if I JUST finished saying I don’t advocate the way I train to anyone else??? *shakes head*

I did not wish to waste any more space, but I couldn’t allow Hapkido student to continue to defend my way of training.

Hopefully I can finally put an end to this with these statements…

I do not know if anything will work in a combat situation because I have never been in one, and if I do get into one I doubt I’d pull the manrikigusari as a weapon.

I do not make the claim that I am or will ever be capable of training anyone else in the use of the manrikigusari by merely being self-taught

I do not recommend how I train to anyone else.

I am not trying to prove that my way is right or justified or better than anyone else’s.. by writing this I am only trying to prove that I would not recommend this to anyone

If it sounds like I’m repeating myself it is because obviously someone is not grasping the aspects of what I am saying. ANYTHING ELSE to say… PM me, Hapkido Student is not me, and even though he has helped cannot represent me.

[rubberband]

It is great fun to create and origionate your own opinion on things... however, I am reminded of the concept of appropriateness... the human body can move in many dynamic ways unarmed or incorperated with a weapon... but what is appropriate for combat is limited by the nature of combat. this is why martial arts exist as a teachable system... because there are rules for correct motion. if you train in a truely open ended style then you can never season into your training and develop skill...

the nunchaku is an interesting weapon that is limited to only two powerful effective strikes... forearm 45 downward and backhand horizontal... thats it... I do not define effective by just hitting the guy... I mean hitting with stopping power and quick rebound...

the Kusarifundo/manrikigusari etc... is not a nunchaku... the nunchaku has a very short flexable area and is driven by the upperbody... the kusari is driven by the legs in conjunction with the upperbody... the proper movements are precise because of the way energy travels up the chain before during and after a strike. the body moves because you are running away from your own weapons rebound during many of the strikes... the secret is moving into the arc... some advanced strikes look similar to nunchaku movements but they are very different in the way they are caught and flow into other movements.

sure you can manipulate a kusari like a nunchaku... but then those manipulations are not for fighting with a nunchaku either... so what are you teaching yourself?

there are some sources of info on this weapon availiable at www.buyubooks.com

as always this post is intended in the spirit of aiding your safe progression on your path... I hope you will open yourself to the discipline it takes to heed the warnings of some unknown guy on a web forum.

take care, steve

[Fighter4Higher]

Rubberhand DOES it again Now that is some good advice for Hideo and for me as I'm sure a good deal of it was geared towards me. One thing I have taken away from this is that I will indeed have to gear my training towards more of what the manrikigusari was designed for. I mentioned how I, myself train with the manriki once and it blew up into all of this.. a mistake on my part. After statements were made, I wanted all to realize that I never made any claims outside of that this is how I myself use the manriki and thats it. Take my words for face value basically. Maybe in reading this it will encourage Hideo to stick to how the manriki should be utilized and I would encourage that. To each his own.

[Hapkido Student]

Originally Posted by Fighter4Higher

Rubberhand DOES it again Now that is some good advice for Hideo and for me as I'm sure a good deal of it was geared towards me. One thing I have taken away from this is that I will indeed have to gear my training towards more of what the manrikigusari was designed for. I mentioned how I, myself train with the manriki once and it blew up into all of this.. a mistake on my part. After statements were made, I wanted all to realize that I never made any claims outside of that this is how I myself use the manriki and thats it. Take my words for face value basically. Maybe in reading this it will encourage Hideo to stick to how the manriki should be utilized and I would encourage that. To each his own.

Yeah so Stop spitting out orgasms geared torwards me. For I am Not involved But merely a accomplise.

[Fighter4Higher]

Originally Posted by Hapkido Student

Yeah so Stop spitting out orgasms geared torwards me. For I am Not involved But merely a accomplise.

You all know what he meant to say.

[Hapkido Student]

Yeah so Stop spitting out orgasms geared torwards me. For I am Not involved But merely a accomplice.