problem with some scenario training i have seen. continuation

hey guys

I am all for simulating street situation, starting up close, adding a verbal intimidation factor, multiple opponents etc, but recently in alot of the demo vids i have seen of this type of thing I have noticed a disturbing trend. And yes this carries across from no pads to some of the bullet man stuff i have seen.

In these vids you see the scenario kick off, then when the defendant strikes or what not, the attacker just goes down. I have NEVER seen an attacker go down with just one or a couple of body/ leg strike and only seen it happen once with a head shot, and once with a groin one. The rest of the time people strike but things keep going. Most time strike are thrown and then things are stopped, or one runs off.

Have you guys noticed this and changed accordingly, if so what did you guys do to change your curriculum?

 

The one-strike finishes are wishful thinking--we should train to be able to KO someone with one strike, sure, but it's not realistic to believe we can do it every time, and untrained people (who are typically the ones taking self defense courses) certainly aren't going to be able to. We teach how to go from one technique to another, so where those videos are showing one strike we teach a strike and show you other strikes you can use from there. Often we will put these together into easy-to-do sets but eventually it becomes a flow drill.

 

It is the trainer/dummy that should give the appropriate response to what they get. When I do "Fist" suit drilling you had better clock me hard because otherwise I will just keep coming - I ko'd four colleagues in one session drilling this way. In subsequent sessions they went hell for leather on my ass!

If you fall down because they threw something then you are doing them a disservice - it is a not a full blown fight, but you have to keep realism in there or there is no point

 

Fist is better than Red Man IMO - it is bulkier but takes a lot more abuse.

I have not tried High Gear but that looks the best of all three simply because of the attacker mobility - the Fist suit does tend to look and act like a cross between George Foreman and Robocop

 

Hannibal, Mitch,

What's the redman training like?

I've got the opportunity to do some and haven't done it before.

 

It is actually worth doing because the feedback you get is pretty honest with regards to putting a man down.

However, it also does not take into account pain or precision so a lot is down to the suit wearer to be honest and give good feedback. It also restricts a lot you can do for follow up as it is VERY bulky...High Gear looks as though it solves that issue a bit better.

It is definitely a blast!

 

I have a video somewhere of me doing a straight armbar takedown on a classmate wearing a fist suit...give me a few days to dig it out.

Because the Fist suit is so bulky you cannot often pull of such precision moves under pressure - I have to say that I was rather proud of it!

 

This is the corporate site

http://www.fist-inc.com/tg/333/333.htm

although other sites also sell it

http://www.setcan.com/fist.html

 

a spanner in the works?

And what about the comments of door guys like Geoff Thompson? :

http://sfuk.tripod.com/articles/3secfight.html

''The final element for this response is the attack itself Thompson says that the attack is your chosen main artillery technique. He recommends that you perfect one or two powerful hand techniques from punching range (i.e. conversation range) because that is the distance most often gravitated to in real street confrontations. Thompson says that there is little point in manufacturing another range when the one you are already in, or most likely to be in, is the most clinical one anyway. From this range, he says it takes just a split second to finish a fight with one good hand technique. Many inexperienced martial artists will probably dispute this; however, Thompson had over 50 one-punch . knockouts in his career as a bouncer. He says that with the right information and loads of courage, the one-punch knockout is very attainable.''

If he is to believed then one would have to think that the failing is not with the techniques mentioned as much as the lack of proper set up before you lambaste the opponent. I know that just punching someone in a straight up match type fight won't likely have the same effect but with the right set up it seems ok.

At least one case where the scenario training you describe would be considered reasonable?

LFD

 

Knew some mad person would make a site like this:

http://www.break.com/surfacevideo/one-punch-knockouts-street-fights/family-off/

Enjoy

LFD

 

or this....

http://www.break.com/index/super-quick-sucker-punch-causes-ko.html

LOL can't believe how many of these things there are about..

LFD