Pangamut or Filipino boxing ?

[diablo despacio]

Hi

I is new to this forum, but not new to MA.

Can anyone enlighten me Pangamut or Filipino boxing ?

To me they seem two different entities. Maybe i have not been exposed to 'proper' pangamut or Filipino boxing.

Respect

[ap Oweyn]

I didn't think there was a difference. I'm not sure that either are specific styles. For example, I know that GM Cacoy Canete's definition of pangamot is a blend of his experiences in karate, boxing, judo...

Anyone else?

[Pat OMalley]

Panantukan and Filipino Boxing a basically the same thing, one is spoken in English and the other in a filipino Dialect.

Pangamut I am led to beleive is the name used for the FMA by the Visayans at the time of the Spanish Invasion of the Philippines.

Filipino Boxing? if you are of course talking about Filipino Boxers Boxing style, this can be different from say and American Boxer or English Boxer, in what many call Western Boxing, but lets be honest here it is not Western Boxing is it, it's English Boxing really, but like all sports the english invent, everybody else just seems to get better at it than them


reagrds


Pat

[ap Oweyn]

What the hell. What say we pull out all the confusing vocab.

As I understand it, empty hand FMA gets described as pangamot or (in our school's case) mano mano.

Filipino boxing (whatever that means) is called panantukan. Wrestling is dumog. Kicking is either pananjakman or (in our school's case) sikaran.

Then there's a filipino style similar to kickboxing and taekwondo called sikaran. And a filipino style similar to muay thai called yawyan.

Did I miss anything?

I'm not really convinced that most of these represent specific methods. The sikaran and yawyan styles not withstanding. I think they just represent an acknowledgment of the need for punching, kicking, and grappling.

We learned sikaran not as a specific style with specific conventions. We just learned to integrate kicks in with what we were doing. Granted, there was a kick I hadn't learned in taekwondo. The cross kick or sipa.

Likewise, panantukan (Filipino boxing) could probably very legitimately be considered Western boxing with the possible inclusion of any or all of the following: guntings, elbows, knees, low-line kicking, etc.

Clear as mud.


Stuart

[Pat OMalley]

Originally Posted by ap Oweyn

Clear as mud.


Stuart

And twice as mistly But that is the FMA for you. Don't you just love it when it is clear and simple

regards

Pat

[ap Oweyn]

Meh. We'd probably all be terribly disappointed if it were cut and dry.

[ryangruhn]

Let us not forget the specific styles of each and what part of the Philippines they evolved out of.

[burungkol]

Originally Posted by ryangruhn

Let us not forget the specific styles of each and what part of the Philippines they evolved out of.

yes, sometimes we speak of the same thing but is expressed in a different dialect. these things leads to confusion to which is which....but basically, their roots and basics are all but the same. the difference they offer from one another comes from the arts' innovation, evolution, and development as a single entity given that they we're all practiced from different islands and provinces.

[shootodog]

let's just put it this way: fma empty hands (striking), with or without feet. may or may not call itself panununtukan, mano mano, suntokaran, suntukan, pangamot, cadena de mano, etc. if they offer it, then take it. some systems of fma believe that the fight will take on the forms of weapons, empty hands, and ground work. these systems therefore offer it all. what will set the empty hands aspect of fma from others is it's flow, it's attitude, it's "ummphaaarrrrghhhhaaaahhhh!" (who knows this? if you know what i mean, you know what i mean).

[Pat OMalley]

"ummphaaarrrrghhhhaaaahhhh!"I know what you mean, know what I mean

[ap Oweyn]

Originally Posted by ryangruhn

Let us not forget the specific styles of each and what part of the Philippines they evolved out of.

Forgetting that would require me knowing it in the first place. You'll have to enlighten me first.

Obviously, I know that different words evolved in different parts of the Philippines. There are an ungodly number of dialects, right? But are you saying that different methods of empty hand evolved in different parts of the Philippines? My perception was that it was more individualized than that.


Stuart

[Bayani]

when the only thing we can express are letters in cyber space then what the heck, let's talk about vocabulary round and round we go . In the end would you not say it's all a matter of personal prefference?Too bad we're limited to words but the future should bring video clips for discussion on what we can see ?

[ap Oweyn]

I hope so. I'd love to see examples of empty hand beyond the usual clips of hubud drills.

So let's try this: If you were formulating your own empty hand FMA practice, what would you include? Would it look essentially like boxing but with gunting and the occassional sipa added? Would dumog play a big role? Go crazy.

Or for those of you who already practice a big empty hand component, describe it. I'll do likewise when I've finished tucking into this instant noodle lunch of mine.


Stuart

[Pat OMalley]

But until then I am affraid we are stuck with the written word

But soon we will evolve to video.

All hail the great Bayani, he is the one who can see our future

Regards


Pat

[ap Oweyn]

Originally Posted by Pat OMalley

But until then I am affraid we are stuck with the written word

But soon we will evolve to video.

All hail the great Bayani, he is the one who can see our future

Regards


Pat

Credit where credit is due. I can see the present. In the area immediately surrounding me anyway. It's not much of a superpower, I realize.