Bad Ninjutsu Videos and Critiques w/o Off Topic Videos

Discussion in 'Ninjutsu' started by Fu_Bag, May 5, 2011.

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  1. Smitfire

    Smitfire Cactus Schlong

    Nice pun. But do you actually see this guy out and about? Maybe train in the same classes as him? Or is the Bujinkan widespread enough you never cross paths?
     
  2. Please reality

    Please reality Back to basics

    Canada's Mountainous?

    [ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJK6x88sdGM"]Bujinkan Ninjutsu, 9th Kyu, part 5 - YouTube[/ame]

    I guess he's not that bad for a 9th kyu(except for kamae, application, terminology, posture, lack of understanding, stiffness, doing everything wrong, etc) but he should train more(ideally with a real teacher and not videos), and post videos less. He's a bit confused, but luckily he's not teaching...
     
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  3. bujingodai

    bujingodai Retired Supporter

    Dude has a lot of videos. I wonder how many subscribe to learn from him.
    Guessing the BB came from the Vancrackerdonk Box (TM)
     
  4. Please reality

    Please reality Back to basics

    [ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-eh01L7Llww"]ZP Hombu Insider, July 2015 - YouTube[/ame]

    I guess if you're bad, this makes Rennersense.... On sale at a "authentic" Thundercat Bay location near you.

    Found some more, watch it before it disappears.:vanish:

    [ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IiakJkqtqsM"]123654789 - YouTube[/ame]

    His hugjutsu is a bit queer to see in this kind of environment, but I'm sure it's authentic, traditional martial skills.
     
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  5. TomD

    TomD Valued Member

    LOL hugjutsu, his whole appearance makes me reminisce about '70's porn movies... Unfortunately, his movement does not make me think about '70's kung fu movies...
     
  6. benkyoka

    benkyoka one million times

    If I was in a position in my training where I felt that I needed to spend money on these videos or seminars for information, I would instead just quit training in the Bujinkan altogether.
     
  7. PsychoElectric

    PsychoElectric Valued Member

    That was quite a laugh.
     
  8. garth

    garth Valued Member

    Did that guy in the 9th kyu clip say "Theres not many katas in Bujinkan"?
     
  9. Crucio

    Crucio Valued Member

    In the first Kata, he visualizes a punch coming in, and the first thing he does is go forward towards the punch? Forget about Kamae, power generation, etc, some basic common sense seems to be missing here. He probably never trained them with a partner that tries to hit him, even in slow mo.
     
  10. gapjumper

    gapjumper Intentionally left blank

    But he does teach (I'm sure you spotted that really :) )

    He teaches Bujinkan (apparently, though not a godan+), and Chosen ninjutsu plus another ninjutsu ryu, with possibly heavy Christian wotsits also.

    Bujinkan Moncton I think. (the bujinkan link appears rather tenuous)

    Though the website may hurt, so approach with care.
     
  11. Crucio

    Crucio Valued Member

    So, to critique and give some pointers at the same time, i'm going to slightly expand on this.

    The movement in question is jodan uke. IMO he does not know the footwork.

    He sits in Kamae (with the weight on the back) and in order to move the back foot he has to first shift the weight to the front before he feels his back foot is free enough to move.

    I've seen many vods of this and the problems are:
    1)it's slow. Instead of one move (move off line), you do 2 (shift; move)
    2)it's telegrapht. (by first shifting the weight you give the enemy an indication of what you will do next)

    The correct way:

    As far as i know it's not a Ninjutsu thing but a Koryu thing (and maybe a many martial arts thing). You shift the center of gravity directly.

    An example would be to sit in a normal every day stance, and take a step to the left. The first instinct would be to shift some weight to the right before steping. But if you practice a little, you will find that you can do it without. It's similar if you have 70% weight on the back and just step.
     
  12. Dunc

    Dunc Well-Known Member Moderator Supporter

    I totally agree with this point & to my mind this makes sense and is consistent with the way that I try to move

    However, it was a bit surprising to me when I watched Soke teaching kihon on here
    https://youtu.be/tyqeW4AbpM4?t=415

    And here
    https://youtu.be/0ExPKO2w1RU?t=473

    If you watch closely he shifts his weight forward to step sometimes....
     
  13. Crucio

    Crucio Valued Member

    I'm not in a position to really comment on anything Soke does and there are much more experienced people posting here but i'll just give you my opinion :)

    I know that in Koryu, in demonstrations, very often if not always, there are some things done differently then how they are trained; some things might be added, some things might be missing. As far as i understand, it's just the Japanese(read: traditional Japanese way of doing things) way of showing a general idea of how something is done, without actually giving away what makes it work, if that makes any sense.

    I've been told that the books and commercial DVDs are great as a general reference, but not as an instruction source or a place to find the details. I've been shown how even the Kamae can be done one way for "the public" in DVDs, and how it is done in training(IMO that is why so many people on Youtube seem to have no idea of body alignment, power generation, etc).

    It's i think in things like this that the saying of "find the right teacher" comes in, regardless of the Ryu.

    It's really amazing how in spite of being so popular and open, Ninjutsu is still transmitted in the same way as the most obscure Ryu in Japan. This i think understandably creates a lot of frustration for many. It mimics the availability of a gendai art, but it's transmitted like a Koryu.

    Just my opinion and i could be completely wrong. :)
     
  14. Dean Winchester

    Dean Winchester Valued Member

    :bang: :bang: :bang:
     
  15. Please reality

    Please reality Back to basics

    [ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CZaZAA1xgk"]Dynamic defence with Shihan marc moor and Shidoshi Alfred reid - YouTube[/ame]

    Proper rubbish, same smugness and bad taijutsu with muscling, leaning over your opponent, and tension.

    [ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPs66PyiXIk"]A sample of training at Bujinkan Newbury Dojo - YouTube[/ame]

    Best example of kiai from 47:40...
     
  16. Big Will

    Big Will NinpƓ Ikkan

    That's because there are many things that can look different to our eyes until we reach certain levels and are told/shown certain things. This is why, IMO, people who were not close by Soke's side during the 50's, 60's and 70's should not attempt to create kihon from watching his movement...
     
  17. garth

    garth Valued Member

    Tell me something

    Why is it that we see a plethora of shihan making stuff up because they think they are the level where they can do what Hatsumi Sensei does.

    Yet when they show Kihon and Kata it looks so bad?
     
  18. kouryuu

    kouryuu Kouryuu

    They probably think that they're waaaaaay too good for basics
     
  19. Dunc

    Dunc Well-Known Member Moderator Supporter

    Why is it so many people on this thread have cool looking dojos with mats, scrolls, weapon racks and all that?
    Jealous I am :)
     
  20. Please reality

    Please reality Back to basics

    The weight shift forward may have been for any number of reasons. That wasn't how I was taught my basics however. I wouldn't learn from or mimic a video though.
     
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