Brazilian jujitsu or Japanese jujitsu (for a police officer)

Great story, but it would have been funnier if it had turned out to be a tuning fork!

 

Its true .....

and I can laugh about it now ...

I wasnt at the time ......

 

I was once attacked by someone with a crutch of all things.

 

To be fair, you are surrounded by them...

 

Professional hazard when you're a porn star
Oh, you meant the day job.....

 

I recommend JJJ if the school you have available is high quality. (I've used something very similar to JJJ to handcuff a lot of larger people pretty effortlessly, and trained LEOs how to do the same.) While the majority of MAP will recommend BJJ for LEOs, that has more to do with popularity of MMA-favored styles than the actual demands of law enforcement. There is a bias against standing grappling and how practical it is here, and against JJJ in particular. As a professional, if you can't secure 90-95% of untrained people 2-1 (you and your partner) while standing, no restraints or weapons, using "civilian" legal escalations of force, your training sucks. A good JJJ school will better prepare you for that while teaching you to retain your own weapons better than most BJJ curriculums.

 

A bias against standing grappling on MAP? Funny that, I thought there was a bias towards judo...

 

John here means a bias against ninjutsu..........

 

Never been a problem for me. And I've kind of done it a lot.

 

No, I actually meant bias against JJJ. Please don't speak on my behalf. Now or ever again. The MAP bias against ninjutsu also exists though, as you so clearly demonstrated yourself, repeatedly, in the classiest of fashions.

 

Most people actually reccomended judo first. If you're referring to standing locks I'm personally against them, they're too easy escape. You're right about mostly probably being two against one though.

 

There's a bias toward live, unscripted training.
BJJ has a heavy emphasis on it in pretty much all schools.
The emphasis on it in JJJ (and similar) schools isn't anywhere near the level you see in BJJ, Judo, SAMBO, wrestling, etc.

Even if you do find a JJJ school where realistic, resistant training is practiced each class, the talent pool is usually much shallower due to a lack of outside input. (since so few actually do this, you don't get much interschool competition and cross pollination of ideas)

I'll agree with you on the curriculum though. In a JJJ school with a provable lineage and competent instructors, the techniques will usually be more appropriate for armed confrontation than straight-up BJJ. But frankly that's harder to come across than a purpose built art for modern armed confrontation, IME. And again, you'll likely find a deeper talent pool and better training methods in a sportively trained art like BJJ or wrestling.

This is why people cross train.
I never really understood the techniques I learned in the TMAs until I got a few years of experience in resistant, unscripted training. Now I can drop in on TMA schools and break down, apply, counter and troubleshoot the techniques being taught after seeing them done once, where students that have practiced that art in isolation for years are still stumped by even passive resistance. The techniques themselves are valuable, but the training methods don't lead the students to any real understanding of them.

 

Nobody has ever escaped my standing locks. Not once. Either I'm Hercules, at 5'8", or there is something more to this whole standing grappling business than we're being told on The Interwebz. How many people have you handcuffed, or fought with a utility belt of gear you needed to retain?

 

I thought you were blocking me?

As someone with well over a decade xkan training, im not biased against it, im just a realist whos stepped away from that paradigm, to investagate more physical methods of practice.

 

I've fought off a guy who was trying to restrain me when he was wearing a utility belt, never the other way around

 

Actually. Quick question...does anyone apart from the OP, know what kind of crime and Police culture is like in Greece?

 

nobody has ever escaped your standing grappling ever? Is that 2 on 1, or does it include 1 on 1's?

Do you find your low centre of gravity helpfull for this?

 

- http://www.martialartsplanet.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1074545897&postcount=51

A Stephan Kesting article about the difference between submission grappling and classical JJJ, that Kuma linked to ages ago: http://www.grapplearts.com/Blog/201...-ju-jutsu-when-cultures-and-concepts-collide/

 

I am. It's my only recourse when you're allowed to break the ToS with impunity. I only took you off briefly in another thread while I couldn't sleep a couple hours ago where people kept quoting you. And yes, you clearly are quite biased against ninjutsu. Your history in the arts is meaningless to prove otherwise given your recent behaviors on MAP in that subforum. Furthermore, I don't care (and neither should anyone else here) about your "training," "credentials," or "pedigree." I care about your practical "experience." What is your practical experience applying your (apparently VERY ample) training in violence Fusen? Please be specific.

 

You beat up Batman?

+1,000,000 cool points for you!