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Hi 'Pat',

Interesting video - nice and crisp techniques however unfortunately most of the punches were rubbish... The point of impact was at full arm extension which looks pretty but is very very ineffective. An oft occurring problem with Karate - I think because of too much punching of empty air and not enough bag work.

 

I agree but there was an even more lacking of contact in the CN demo and the point I was trying to make here is if they are so called Masters of there art they should at least have had the crispness we seen in the proceeding video.

You critisms are valid which is one of the reasons I stated that Karate is not for me. I love contact to get the feel of it.

Best regards

Pat

 

I already answered that in post #111. If my answer wasn't specific enough, please ask for clarification.

What is childish is the level of maturity in the responses I've just read. If those are the best responses you guys can come up with, I myself am calling into question your ability to see technique and not just look for an opportunity to insult someone.

It's far easier to insult than it is to give specific, detailed criticism. The posts I'm seeing are heavier on insult and light on specifics. No time indexes at all. No specifics. Is the stance bad? The timing? The range? Saying "this looks like garbage" only strokes the ego of the person saying it and does me no good whatsoever.

As for me being ripped off? This indicates to me that anyone who could possibly say this has no clue what they are talking about. I attend a non-profit school in a non-profit style. Read. The. Thread. I've already mentioned this.

See Chris Parker's posts in this thread for models of "how to do it right" in regards to replying constructively.

I'll put up some video comments here in a few minutes after I've viewed them.

 

I had watched those as well. Nothing glaring really jumps out at me. What do you see?

Also a note to all posters, at least try to throw out a bone of positive criticism in your posts. If there is anything at all that looks promising, say so. That can be built on. This is a base technique in critique...I say this as an English major as well as a MAist. lol
:hat:

 

Please show me where I've been insulting?

Please show me where I've been too general?

I'm not one for going through second by second with time stamps etc but Chris likes doing that heck he's written whole books worth . So I'll leave that to him.

However the problems some of us have listed are pretty evident and at times basic, I've mentioned the poor body mechanics and the attacks delivered etc.

Think about it you've got practioners of FMA, JMA and WMA all saying something similar.

All picking up on the same sort of thing.


Now we appreciate that you will not like hearing people deliver these comments but if your reasons for training involve self defence then you really need to look at what you are doing in and if it is suitable.

 

Weapons critic:
1.55 - (woman)bo attack is not even completed. Student stands and then complies with throw - terrible.
2.00 - (woman)both student comply with non-attack from instructor then just fall down even through there was no reason to do so.
2.00 - (man)knife attack would have connected if completed. Student not unbalanced on contact and could have pressed attack.
2.05 - (man)both knife attacks would have connected if not pulled.
2.28 -(woman) tambo attack out of distance. Block is not committed and attack would have gone straight through. The throw is not remotely effective and wouldn't take down a five year old. The kick hook and throw is pure fantasy and impossible in reality.

Frankly this is all within 30 seconds of footage and I am disgusted. If this is what you are learning, you've just wasted alot of time. This is what happens when people have no knowledge or experience in weapons handling. If you ever used any of this, you would get badly injured. Key principles of weapons theory are missing at every level.
Measure, timing, triangular entry, unblancing on the point of contract. All missing. The students don't even know how you stike with a weapon properly.

You want to delude yourself fine but don't expect the rest of us to go along with you. Hell they don't even seem to understand Kuzushi!!!
The Bear.

 

Your answer being

Which is not the answer to the question which was "Why does your group (in the promo video you put up) list this drill (Hubud) as Wing Chun from Chinese martial arts when in fact it is a drill from Filipino Martial arts? Just because you may have heard it called Hubud in your classes does not clarify why your group is promoting it as something it is not and only shows that the group does not know the difference between the FMA and WC?

And to further point out (and yes it's stick related) why in the same video does your group label another drill under the listing of Kung Fu (Chinese) weapons when again it is clearly an FMA (Filipino) drill all be it a bad application of it?

I could list a whole lot more inaccuracies but I don't want to insult your intalect English Major or not but the demo you posted was as I said very weak and very lacking in many areas considering it was supposedly performed by Masters?

So yes a lot more clarity and a lo less vagueness from you would be nice for a change.

And to clarify I am not just an FMA practitioner I have a good grounding in other arts too. I just choose to specialise in FMA so I am not talking from a misinformed standpoint. If I know nothing of a subject I have a tendency to have no comment on it.

 

Which is a pretty strange and unusual thing to do here on MAP

 

Excellent videos!

CN speaks of the very same approach to self-defense on a regular basis.

From memory, here is our Five As of Self Defense:
Aware - Be "turned on" as the video states.
Alert - When something has triggered your alarm bells, focus in on whatever that thing is and evaluate it.
Anticipate - Does this look like a confrontation about to happen? What might happen next? Does this look like a mugger or just a drunk looking for a quick fight?
Avoid - If the situation does look threatening, take another route. Or avoid by talking your way out.
Action - If these don't get you out of a situation, take decisive action. This could mean sprinting away to safety. Or dropping one or two (as stated in the video) powerful techniques to stun/drop your attacker so you can escape.

 

Well my students and friends do tell me
I am far from normal

 

All very well and good in theory but looking at the videos you posted of these so called Masters demoing their so called skills I would have little faith in them being able to drop one stun in a wet tshirt competition let alone pass on valuable life saving skills.

You gave us footage and we based on experience have tried to inform you it's bad and weak technique and all the tenants in the world cant change that.

 

Crispness?

We do that level of crispness in every class in drills. Looks just like the video you posted. We do crisp! lol
Further, crisp (the way you are referring I think) is more of a purely "hard" aspect. As you advance in CN you are expected to soften your moves which takes the snap and crispness out to a degree.

As for the video itself, I see one glaring thing that is not being done. The defender isn't engaging his legs at all. He isn't locking out any knees or trapping any feet. He is getting offline somewhat, so that's good to see. His stance does look crisp tho!

That sort of bunkai is fairly shallow. It is taking the literal move from the kata and applying it with not as much of a sense of depth that it could have. In my school, the bunkai (am I spelling that right? haha) doesn't have to look like the picture perfect move in the kata. It can and usually is adjusted to be more effective.

I apologize. I did not mean to throw you under the same bus with two posters in particular that my comment was directed at.

I thank you for the feedback.

I think I need to make a comment in relation to the videos posted and what is taught in class. Our workouts don't look like these videos. I want to be very plain about that. We are taught, as I mentioned in my above post, to get out of a situation quickly and with as few moves as possible.

Yes, some of these combos are off. The timing appears off as do the attacks. I can only speculate on most of them (since I did not plan or execute them myself) that they have been adjusted for safe repetition. I have seen people get hurt in demo practice and during actual demos. It happens. There is a very good reason why some of what you see is "pulled" or what have you.

Having said that, I can anticipate a rebuttal comment. "Monekywrench, if you train this way how can you be ready for a real attack? Will you pull back when it is for real?"
Not all CN schools have heavy bags or gloves for training. But many do and mine does. We spend a good bit of time hitting various bags/mits. We smack the hell out of them. We do not pull a punch or a kick against a bag. But we do train to pull a technique in a demo or in training to some extent.

 

So called Masters?

Back off with the insults if you are capable please.

Also do you have any videos from your system you could post?

NEVER USE GRAMMAR OR SPELLING TO REFUTE LEGITIMATE POINT - MOD

 

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Pat O'Malley and Wife. Spot the difference!

The Beae.

 

Yep thanks for that and FYI Monkeywrench FMA is considered to be a combintation of hard and soft.

Oh here's some footage of me from over 20 years ago doing that drill I mentioned you know the Chinese FMA one

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WDCjeyM1w0&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL"]Jeet Kune-Do & Kali - Vol. 1 - Basics - Part 3 of 7 - YouTube[/ame]

Also what about this soft style from my clips

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And of course we have this one

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jcp3wzf0tSo"]Rapid Arnis 'The Fundamentals' - YouTube[/ame]

And just to show I can laugh at myself which of course starts off with that drill I was talking about

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbhBX6E4lEA"]Rapid Arnis Birth Control - YouTube[/ame]

and of course the video I posted originally

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6kgr7yekLA"]1st Black Eagle Society Fight - YouTube[/ame]

abd to clairify when I say crisp, just because your showing a soft style of martial arts does not mean it has to lack crispness, it does not mean you have to hit like a wet blanket either.

 

Theres planty of footage of me out there regardless of whether I can spell or not, but then if I wanted to be a teacher of English I would have majored in it but I didnt, So I prefered to major in something I know a bit more about.

And I am sure when I am hitting someone the last thing on my mind and theres is whether we spell the word take 'ave it' properly.

 

In regard to mod note, that's not what I was doing at all.

I was saying don't insult if you can't even post correctly.

My comment had nothing whatsoever to do with the discussion. Are you saying insulting someone's instructor outright is a legitimate point? I hope not.

That said, I'd like to see some red text directed against the insults in this thread, not on me for speaking out against it. I've been a moderator of a site like this. Fairness is key.

 

Why is it that whenever a video appears that shows sub-standard stuff the scripted response from the style practitioners is always "Our classes are different to that, we are the real deal"?

Show us the difference then

 

I have but one thing to say regarding the last video:

CUP IS ALWAYS WORN ON THE INSIDE! WEARING IT OUTSIDE IS DISGUSTING AND DOWNRIGHT UNSANITARY!!


Oh, and thanks for the videos. You're the tall one, right? lol I did some (only an hour a week, not enough to form any sort of skill) Arnis at my old Kenpo school long ago. I never got to meet him, but Remy Presas himself came by to give us seminars a couple times before he passed away.

 

I'm glad you pointed that out since I could have a field day with this very post! lol

That said, I was serious about the insults. I don't discuss with people who resort to them. I just don't. I apologized for what I said to another poster. I think it would be fair for you to offer an apology of your own in the spirit of peace in the MA community.