The passion of the christ

[EricSan]

What is everyone's thoughts on the upcoming movie by Mel Gibbson, The Passion of the Christ? I am very excited for it, besides it telling the TRUTH of what happened to Jesus and that he was the son of god and that he died to carry our sins away, through means of accepting him, it looks like an absolutlely beautiful movie. I think everyone should go watch the theatrical trailer and then respond to this post.
-EricSan

[LilBunnyRabbit]

Truth is a difficult word.

And I'll wait until the film itself comes out.

[hwardo]

From advanced screenings, non-Christians and Christians alike are saying this is an important piece of cinema.

My wife did her thesis on the passion at Oberammergou, and the historical background of these plays is pretty fascinating. The one thing they all have in common is strong gore-- part of the point is to show the suffering.

I am highly curious to see this movie.

[Dark Blade]

Originally posted by LilBunnyRabbit
Truth is a difficult word.

And I'll wait until the film itself comes out.


Agreed, truth is hard to prove here.

I suppose it's up to which one of the books in the bible you believe. As they wrote little bits differently in each one.
And for the run, I am Christian.

[Poop-Loops]

Even though I'm a Christian myself, I still don't like to use the word "truth". It's my opinion, I don't know it as a fact.

Is Mel gonna play Jesus? Kinda wierd him not shooting anybody...

PL

[EricSan]

No Mel doesn't play Jesus. I used truth because it is truth. I am not excusing that it is difficult. Because it is difficult. Difficult to accept.

[Dark Blade]

Have you read the bible, Ericsan?

[totality]

no, he was there apparently. ignorant little...sigh.

[EricSan]

HA HA! I am firm in my belief. Of course I have read the bible. Why?

[Hayzil]

*ruins the movie for you*

He dies at the end.

[surgingshark]

HA HA! I am firm in my belief. Of course I have read the bible. Why?

Because we're in an evidence-driven time...

Sorry, Eric-San, but I agree with Totality. We weren't there.

(Catholic, by the way. I don't know for a fact, but I believe, which is the essence of faith. I wasn't there, and I can't prove it for a fact, but I do believe. Faith, in its very nature, must trancend logic.)

[Hayzil]

Sorry for double posting, but EricSan, you can't claim that it's true. Sorry hon, you have the -right- to, but I have the right to claim it's not ;) Anyways, I am -really- worried that they might push the movie into being 'Oh look at this movie then go become a better Christian or convert to be saved!' which would ruin the movie for non-Christians in my opinion. But, if they don't cross the line and just made it more into an epic or some form of -story- it could rock.

I also have to wonder though, are they going by facts or are they going by the Bible and by what Church Council declared after Jesus' death?

[surgingshark]

My sister saw it in her church and she said it was great (she, being not the most devout Christian on the planet). I'll go ask her for details once she comes back for you, Hayzil :)

[EricSan]

Hayzil-
I wish that you wouldnt make slanderizing comments about a movie you have never seen, but Yes you have every right to say it is not true, that is why I said either you can accept that it is, or you won't.

[surgingshark]

I wish that you wouldnt make slanderizing comments about a movie you have never seen

She wasn't.

Anyways, I am -really- worried that they might push the movie into being 'Oh look at this movie then go become a better Christian or convert to be saved!'

She was only speaking of the possibility that the movie might be Anti-semetic (sp?), which movies of these type tend to be.

[EricSan]

Do you think that people in our past would just make up the son of god, that they would make up his death AND resurrection? (proof) there were scrolls found in caves in the middle east that were 2,000 years old that were translated and were found to say things that are directly found in the new testament. This is no mythology.

[PsiCop]

Another religious thread, eh? It's simply one of the things you shouldn't start fights over. It's basically used to start flame wars(and plenty of real ones too) between trusting believers in faith and the logical. There's too many problems with religion to talk about in one thread. I think you might be walking a fine line by posting this, EricSan. I hope the moderators will lock it if it becomes too out of hand.

[Dark Blade]

Originally posted by EricSan
Do you think that people in our past would just make up the son of god, that they would make up his death AND resurrection? (proof) there were scrolls found in caves in the middle east that were 2,000 years old that were translated and were found to say things that are directly found in the new testament. This is no mythology.


2,000 years ago isn't that long when it comes to Christianity.

So, your saying, that because the scrolls said what the little red book on my shelf says, it must be true?
You’re saying, as a fact, you know exactly what happened?
You’re saying that you have undeniable proof of it?
You’re saying you know the answer to the question that has riddled humanity since time began?

Is this the case, Eric?


Originally posted by EricSan
HA HA! I am firm in my belief. Of course I have read the bible. Why?


Please name the books of the New Testament, and their views on Christ. If you truly know what they are, you'll understand my point.

[EricSan]

It is all a matter of faith which I have an endless supply of. I didn't mean for the post to end up where you are taking it. God bless you.

[Hayzil]

Thanks SurgingShark, for clarifying and for you finding out about the movie! :D

Oh, and a good book about conspiracy with the Church and has -amazing- actual facts is 'The Da Vinci Code' by Dan Brown if I remember correctly. An eye-opener, including some theories that the painting 'The Last Supper' by Da Vinci shows a picture of Mary Magdalin (sp?) instead of Joseph. Look at the painting if you guys can, where Joseph is supposed to be, he does look rather feminine...Anyways, just some interesting theories I found out which slightly relates to the topic ;)

[Dark Blade]

Indeed, all a matter of faith.
Thus, you can't just come out and say that you know exactly what happened.
I have faith, I'm sure many people among us here also do and we have every right to do that. Although, dismissing everyone's ideas and simply proclaiming that you it happened, you have no right to do so.
It's ok not to accept their opinions, but still, allow them to express it.

I believe in God, some may not, but in the end, we're all still going to have to live with difference, in everything. So, in such a situation, the best answer in my opinion is to respectfully disagree. No one can prove anything until judgement day, assuming it comes, and by then, trying to prove God doesn't exist won't be much use.
Again, Some believe, some don't, the believer's should not force unto the non-believers, and the non-believers should not force unto the believers.
The answer here to accept difference of opinion and disagree.

Whoever you may be, wherever you may be, whatever you may believe, God Bless You.

Dark Blade

[surgingshark]

Thanks SurgingShark, for clarifying and for you finding out about the movie! :D

You are most welcome :)

The answer here to accept difference of opinion and disagree.

Agreed :)

[EricSan]

I did allow those with an opinion to have one. But I was stating mine that's all. You should know that I should be allowed to say what I want as well, and I was NOT enforcing myself on others. I was not proving a god I was proving the Christ. I said it was truth because my heart tells me so and I may boldly say it. I do not shun other religions, I love all people and what they have to offer but I am me and I like to share my thoughts with the world. It is simply a matter of choice and perception whether or not to get offended. I am sorry if you have been. Es Numenos Patres, I filis, i spiratos, Sanctis.

[surgingshark]

Es Numenos Patres, I filis, i spiratos, Sanctis.

You never told us you were a priest :p j/k

said it was truth because my heart tells me so and I may boldly say it.

That's an admirable trait, Eric-San :)

I was not proving a god I was proving the Christ

They were one and the same, last time I heard...

[EricSan]

You guys I do not wish to bring forth anymore (in anyway sarcastic comments towards anyone). I dont know whether or not surging shark was being sarcastic but I get what you were saying. I don't think it is right getting into a battle like this. I am sorry everyone. I truly didn't mean it if I offended anyone. I know you are all cool people, and I don't like upsetting you. I know this totally contradicts what I was just doing but I really feel like this should end.

[EricSan]

OH Hayzil I love labrynth! Go David Bowie!

[Hayzil]

A Bowie fan! Peace on earth could be had if everyone admitted their love for Bowie and leaders of all the countries held annual David Bowie cons...Well, okay, maybe that's a bit far-fetched...

David Bowie and The Police cons.

[Capt Ann]

Originally posted by Hayzil
Oh, and a good book about conspiracy with the Church and has -amazing- actual facts is 'The Da Vinci Code' by Dan Brown if I remember correctly. An eye-opener, including some theories that the painting 'The Last Supper' by Da Vinci shows a picture of Mary Magdalin (sp?) instead of Joseph.
Hayzil--you surprised me with this one. The DaVinci Code is a fictional work, and the so-called "facts" that support the plot line are largely made up. Joseph isn't in the picture (perhaps you're thinking of John?). I remember a similar conspiracy theory put forth a while back with the same cast of characters: DaVinci supposedly "manufactured" the shroud of Turin as a clue that he was part of a secret society that worshipped John the Baptist.
Face it, folks -- there is no massive conspiracy of the Catholic Church to make up Jesus and silence critics, there was no conspiracy for followers of John the Baptist, and Lee Harvey Oswald really did shoot JFK.

[totality]

Originally posted by EricSan
Do you think that people in our past would just make up the son of god, that they would make up his death AND resurrection?
they made up god, why couldn't they make up jesus?

[DexterTCN]

Originally posted by Hayzil
*ruins the movie for you*

He dies at the end.


Yeah they planned on doing a Bible 2: The Return.

But it never came.

btw that Gibson film....in latin and aramaic....is opening in 2000 cinemas in America.

[EricSan]

there is no proof that god was made up because he always appears in even the earliest of written text. I will say no more.

[totality]

haha, no, they earliest written text we have available to us is the epic of gilgamesh. try to know what you're talking about next time, ok?

[EricSan]

You know what I mean. What about the epic of Beowolf?

[EricSan]

There is still no proof that there isn't a god so try to know what you are talking about.

[TigerAnsTKDLove]

mel gibson was at my church willow creek talking about this movie. did anyone hear about that on the news?

[EricSan]

Yeah I heard about him being down in SanDiego but not about him anywhere else. Did you see him?

[surgingshark]

OH Hayzil I love labrynth! Go David Bowie!

Ah...my favorite Henson movie :) 13-O-Clock is still stuck in my head :)

There is still no proof that there isn't a god so try to know what you are talking about.

There's no proof that there is, either mate. As I said previously, it's all a matter of faith, not fact. And for people who truly believe, faith is all they need.

[aikiMac]

The one thing they all have in common is strong gore-- part of the point is to show the suffering.
I read that this one is high on gore, as in, the beatings are quite realistic. I'm just not into gore these days, so I might very well pass on this one. I read the book anyway, so I know how it goes.

I also have to wonder though, are they going by facts or are they going by the Bible and by what Church Council declared after Jesus' death?

As if there's a difference. Not!

She was only speaking of the possibility that the movie might be Anti-semetic (sp?), which movies of these type tend to be.
Ya, I hate it when they give Jesus a Jewish mother. That sort of makes him be Jewish, don't you think? How awful! I wish they wouldn't do that. And I don't like it when Jesus attends worship services at Jewish synagogues. And when they make his disciples be Jewish. Especially Peter. I especially hate it when Peter is Jewish. And Paul too. Wow, that's the worst, because Paul wrote half the New Testament! Man, I would never want him to be Jewish! And throw in five more books by the Jew John and three more by the Jew Peter and that's really bad, you know, it's really bad. I hate when that happens. Wait, time out. I just realized what is the worst of all. The worst of all is when Jesus and Paul and Peter all preach the Jewish Old Testament. Yes, that has got to be the worst. They do it, like, all the time in the New Testament too. Oooh, that's so bad.

I will never understand how anyone could remotely define an Easter movie as anti-semetic. That is so baffling to me. You know, there really is a reason why the New Testament is but a fraction of the length of the Old Testament. There really is a reason for that.

[DexterTCN]

It's all about sex.

A virgin hoisted up and pierced? bleeding? screaming for Daddy?

It's your basic deflowering.

[Darkflames21]

Originally posted by Hayzil
*ruins the movie for you*

He dies at the end.
lol:D Good One!

[EricSan]

dark flames. Tu eres Latino? De donde eres?

[toothpaste100]

Originally posted by EricSan
there is no proof that god was made up because he always appears in even the earliest of written text. I will say no more.

So was Zeus, I am not going to argue about the existence of god but you aren't really using factualy evidence. If someone digs up a Harry Potter novel 2000 years from now is it possible they may believe that Voldemort is Satanic figure? Anways I really am looking forward to see this movie, but Mel Gibson doesn't really look middle eastern.

[EricSan]

MEl GIBBSON DOES NOT PLAY JESUS. That is a straight out fact that every body should know.Jim Caviezel plays Jesus. OH everyone i got my tickets to see this movie openning day 7:00. right when I come back I will right my review. On February 25

[stratiotes]

Looks to be a great movie. I'm a christian myself, but i'm pretty sickened by the past attempts from christian movie makers to make movies with the intent to "convert" people. Left behind, Omega code, etc. Pretty pathetic to use scare tactics to try to turn people on to christianity. "Accept him or you will be one of these people that are sitting on the plane without a pilot"

This one looks like it isn't intended to convert people, rather to simply depict the biblical description of Jesus' death accurately. I've heard alot of research was done on how crucifictions were performed, and the suffering that had to be experienced.

I think it will be a great film can't wait to see it.

[DexterTCN]

Won't be as good as Ghandi though, will it?

[toothpaste100]

Originally posted by EricSan
MEl GIBBSON DOES NOT PLAY JESUS. That is a straight out fact that every body should know.Jim Caviezel plays Jesus. OH everyone i got my tickets to see this movie openning day 7:00. right when I come back I will right my review. On February 25

EricSan, Mel Gibson is the director, wrote the screenplay and is producing the movie, he doesn't have a part in the movie.

[Poop-Loops]

The guy playing Jesus got struck by lighting.

TWICE.

If that's not a sign to stop making the movie, I don't know what is.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/film/3209223.stm

PL

[totality]

no, this is a sign to stop making the movie.


and for the record, caviezel was only struck once. some other guy was struck twice.

[Poop-Loops]

Oh right, it was the guy next to him that got struck twice.

Good sign, but it doesn't shoot lightning bolts, now does it?

PL

[totality]

you'd be surprised.

[Xianghua]

There is still no proof that there isn't a god so try to know what you are talking about.
__________________

There is still no proof that there IS.

There are two things that are mentioned frequently throughout The Bible. God and wine. LOTS of wine....

[totality]

that's a foolish and rude thing to say. whether or not god exists is a matter of speculation. it is a FACT that the oldest document available to us is the Epic of Gilgamesh, which the bible could very well be based on.

if you want my opinion on it...mary wasn't a virgin, jesus was pretty cool though, and the bible is propaganda.

enjoy, christians!

[surgingshark]

First of all, I think Gilgamesh is pretty cool.

Second, before you start chopping off totality's head, please note that it's simply his opinion, which everyone is entitled to. (I don't agree with him, but he already knows that :p)

However, please do remember that just because no facts can currently be seen doesn't mean that something doesn't exist.

[totality]

Second, before you start chopping off totality's head, please note that it's simply his opinion, which everyone is entitled to. (I don't agree with him, but he already knows that :p)


wait...what???? you don't agree with me!??!
:woo: :woo: *peku peku!!!111*

[surgingshark]

Nope. Sorry.

[Topher]

I dont follow any religion (well, i do have an intrest in buddisum) and therefore can enjoy the film as just a film. Arnt i lucky :P

[blessed_samurai]

Okay guys...no, the story of the flood in the Bible is not the oldest, it in fact parallels an eariler Babylonian myth. The same is with the book of Esther, it is taken from the mythos of Inanna, which is another Babylonian myth. The story of Gilgamesh and Enkidu is much like Cain and Abel in many ways. Then you have in Tiamat in the Enuma Elish, a text much older than the Bible that speaks of Tiamat as a goddess, one of the first gods. Later you see the Bible making Tiamat evil, Psalms 74:12-17 speaks of Tiamat.

Actually, we don't know what was originally from the Israelites. Moses came from the area where all the Sumerian and Babylonian myths were. Basically, if you are wanting to assimilate others into another religion, you must make it familiar, so you have to keep teh same style of story telling and names so others are not afraid of change. There are tons of Bible stories that have earlier versions that are almost exactly and I do mean exactly alike.

Then you had that whole Egypt deal and so they grew up with the Egyptian myths...scholars are always arguing over Joseph having charge in Egypt but that's a long story, not one I wish to take up time typing at the moment. Anyway, there are tons of stories in the Bible that have the same exact versions that are centuries older from other cultures. It's amazing what you find out when you submit yourself to literature of the world.

Does this take away from the credibility of the Bible? I don't think so. It's all about faith.

Oh and someone mentioned about the actor being struck by lightening that's playing Jesus...as far as I know, every actor that has played Jesus has died shortly after the filming. Reminds me of that whole Tut thing.

[Kenpo Kicker]

I look forward to the movie and the movie will be made.

[Topher]

I look forward to the movie and the movie will be made.
errr.....it already has been made.

[surgingshark]

as far as I know, every actor that has played Jesus has died shortly after the filming

Carrying a large freaking cross on your back while being whipped mercilessly has that effect :p

[blessed_samurai]

Carrying a large freaking cross on your back while being whipped mercilessly has that effect :p


LMAO. That's prob the funniest thing I've heard all night. Thanks for the laugh.

[booksie_girl]

We discussed in in CE today (Christian Education). She school Pastor has actually seen a preview screening. Apparently Mel Gibson is actually in it, though you don't see his face. His hands are the ones that hold the spike and drive in the hammer.

Oh, and nice one shark ;)

[toothpaste100]

We discussed in in CE today (Christian Education). She school Pastor has actually seen a preview screening. Apparently Mel Gibson is actually in it, though you don't see his face. His hands are the ones that hold the spike and drive in the hammer.

Oh, and nice one shark ;)

No surprise that Mel has an action role :woo:

[stratiotes]

Is Danny Glover in this one?

[KickChick]

as far as I know, every actor that has played Jesus has died shortly after the filming

Well "JC"... (now isn't that interesting?) actor Jim Caviezel, who plays Jesus in was struck by lightning during shooting ...Lightning strikes Gibson's 'Christ' (http://edition.cnn.com/2003/SHOWBIZ/Movies/10/24/gibson.passion/)


The movie opens up today in my part of the country ... and I will have to wait for the lines to lessen in order to go see it (I hate waiting in line!!!) :Angel:

[TigerAnsTKDLove]

hey has anyone saw this movie yet? it comes out today. i wanna see this movie so badly!!!! but to see it its gonna take forever cuz of the lines. if anyone saw it can they give me a reviwe of it. i know its VERY! bloody and gory i heard it all but like i wanna see it really badly. chris my brother got a free ticket from willow creek community church in illinois where mel gibson came and showed the movie. i hope to see this movie ASAP! when i see it i have to remember to pack my tissues lol. today it opens up and thats what everyone and all the local news are talking about. its even headlined in our local newspaper!

[surgingshark]

Jewelry from "The Passion" is selling at an alarming rate, especially the "Nail Pendants". What better way to show your love than to wear the item that caused the slow, agonizing death of whom you worship? :D

From a sales perspective, this is great. Both Hardcore Christians and Goths will buy these like there was no tomorrow :D

[DrkElvnKat]

A Bowie fan! Peace on earth could be had if everyone admitted their love for Bowie and leaders of all the countries held annual David Bowie cons...Well, okay, maybe that's a bit far-fetched...

David Bowie and The Police cons.



Ditto! I like David Bowie also. Hehehe thanx to my mom. :) :) :D :D

[DrkElvnKat]

Jewelry from "The Passion" is selling at an alarming rate, especially the "Nail Pendants". What better way to show your love than to wear the item that caused the slow, agonizing death of whom you worship? :D

From a sales perspective, this is great. Both Hardcore Christians and Goths will buy these like there was no tomorrow :D




LMAO!!! :D :D :D

[Togakure]

I read an actor in that film got struck by lightning TWO times in a row while making it.

Once is freaky enough but the odds of it happening twice is.... well beyond freaky.

You can read about it here:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/3209223.stm

[Kinjiro Tsukasa]

You might be interested in the show "The Making of The Passion of the Christ" (a behind-the-scenes look at the movie) -- it's going to be on this Saturday (2/28) at 8:00 PM (Eastern time) on PAX TV.

[stratiotes]

Well i believe supernatural things do happen... but putting someone up high on a cross during a thunderstorm is kind of inviting a lightning bolt. Like someone running to hide under the only tree on a golf course during a thunderstorm.

[Togakure]

Well i believe supernatural things do happen... but putting someone up high on a cross during a thunderstorm is kind of inviting a lightning bolt. Like someone running to hide under the only tree on a golf course during a thunderstorm.


It doesnt say he was on a cross or in a thunderstorm (shrugs)

Anyway, doesnt the bible say the jews built the pryamids in ejypt?, I just saw a documentry that PROOVED the people who built them where not jews, and indeed not even slaves.

They where revered and treated as nobles, with the same medical treatment and same quality food.

Apparently the people who built the pyramids where very well looked after, and not the whipped slaves you see in films or described in the bible.

[stratiotes]

I haven't seen it so i don't know. I just heard Mel Gibson wanted to film the crucifiction in a thunderstorm, and the guy got struck while up on the cross.

[OCxCUTiE]

the passion is like the greatest movie ever made... i have never cried so much in my life in a movie... i almost couldn't stop.... and seeing other people made me cry, tears of joy tho because i saw that people were moved by this movie. I walked out of the theater crying... and people just looked at me and seemed to have a frighten look like "what am i in for?" i suggest everyone sees it, no matter what religion or your beliefs are...

[Capt Ann]

Anyway, doesnt the bible say the jews built the pryamids in ejypt?No, it doesn't. Always good to double-check references.

[Guerilla Fists]

I know I've said this earlier. But I didn't think this movie was all that great..
The exageration of the gore really made it incredible. I mean incredible as in "not believe." It took away from the story.
The only cool scene was when the rain fell. And I would have liked to see more of Satan or hear him talk.
But anyway, I got pretty fed up with this movie real quick and when the theatre got reaaaal quiet at the deliberation points I leaned over to my friend and asked in a loud whisper, "Wait so who is this guy???" He just looked at me choking back the tears. And everyone around us gasped and glared.
Then I towards end I was like, "Hey man, if we ever go to Italy, remind me not to screw around with the Romans."
Almost got in a fight afterward with some Jesus freaks. They vehemently argued the legitimacy of their god, somethign I wasn't challenging. I asked them if they would like to meet him and they both shut up and left it at that.
LOL, kids these days.

[TheMasterSword]

hahah thats great......

i walked outta the theatre and said THAT WAS THE WORST ENDING EVER YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT HAPPENS NEXT!!!!!!

[Guerilla Fists]

Hey MasterSword,
Or should I say...thief! You stole my caption LOL. It's all good. Try and count the days before the Natzi's delete it. I went 3 see if you can beat my record. "cunning linguist" classic, "master debator" good one too. I can't believe you stole my caption.
Anyway, the movie was crap.
No Hard Feelings,
8

[Shortfuse]

thoe whole theater got terribly quet, and after my family argued about 15 min. after for alto of things... human nature.. should of seen it coming

[Guerilla Fists]

What kind of gibberish is that Shortfuse?

[Mushroom]

I'm gonna go and just watch this movie, cos thats what it is...a movie. I'm going in from a filmmaker's point of view (although i cant go in as any other view since i'm not christian, but was brought up in a christian school).
Mel Gibson argued that not only is he attempting to follow the bible by the word but its also his own perception of what he read/believed and obviously this would cause contraversy as its the story of how the Messiah of the biggest religion in the World gets killed. No matter who makes this movie, its gonna have the same effect to the audience, some will think thats a great movie, others will think its blasphemy! and then there will be the extremists, who from news reports claimed that people actually attacked/grafitti-ed some synogogues, cos what they saw on the cinema screen must be truth! but those people are morons. These kinds of movies are not questioning the existence of God, its just telling the story based on how its written.
How much contraversy do you think will be caused if someone made a movie about Buddha?

From the trailers i like the look of the cinematography and would like to see it without subtitles, cos thats how Mel wanted to release it originally. I'll speak more of it when i finally see it.

PS. Danny Glover in the movie ? :D wouldve been great. Now he can say "I'm too old for this siht" in Latin/Arameic

[Shortfuse]

What kind of gibberish is that Shortfuse?

well about how bloody it was, capn crunch(dont ask), seperating politics from religion, some of the differant messages, and how it could have affect children not mature enough to handle it.