Rape defense: Faking a seizure????

[Microlamia]

I heard somewhere that faking an epileptic fit may be a good way to deter a rapist. Does that sound accurate to you? I can't imagine someone low enough to commit a rape will be put off by you having a seizure.

[CrowZer0]

How does one fake a seizure? It would be a bit weird, I mean someones about to be raped, I don't know how the situation would start or where it would be or how you would know you are about to be raped to fake a seizure? Would it work for guys in prison?

[Moosey]

Presumably the idea is that the rapist will be wanting to assert his dominance and physically control/overpower his victim. If the victim is having a seizure, it takes control out of his hands.

It also disconcerts him by breaking his internal schema of how the event will happen - that fact that it's not part of his plan or his fantasy about how the rape will occur will presumably "throw" him and make him uncomfortable enough to call it off.

I guess it's meant to be the same reason that women are advised to shout, swear, fight, bite etc - because it's not how the rapist would imagine things to happen, it throws off his fantasy about being the big dominant man over the helpless woman.

[koyo]

better to "fake" being a cannibal and to start eating his vulnerable parts.

[Fusen]

I heard somewhere that faking an epileptic fit may be a good way to deter a rapist. Does that sound accurate to you? I can't imagine someone low enough to commit a rape will be put off by you having a seizure.

Well in my expeirence.......... lol

Out of any 'trick' Telling them you have HIV would be the most effective.

But then 'tricks' are never that effective.

Being the superior Fighter is a much better aim in life.

[slipthejab]

Long shot. how is a rapists supposed to tell the difference between a woman who's hysterical because she's being raped and one having a seizure. Sorry just doesn't add up.

It's certainly not going to stop her from getting punched in the face I don't think. And what is she supposed to do... practice having seizures? What a false economy. Better to work on situational awareness than to fake seizures.

Then again any ounce of hope or anything she might pull off that will get her the split second to make a run for it or bring help then sure why not. Just not the first line of defense.

[Microlamia]

Presumably the idea is that the rapist will be wanting to assert his dominance and physically control/overpower his victim. If the victim is having a seizure, it takes control out of his hands.

It also disconcerts him by breaking his internal schema of how the event will happen - that fact that it's not part of his plan or his fantasy about how the rape will occur will presumably "throw" him and make him uncomfortable enough to call it off.

I guess it's meant to be the same reason that women are advised to shout, swear, fight, bite etc - because it's not how the rapist would imagine things to happen, it throws off his fantasy about being the big dominant man over the helpless woman.

That's what I thought. But breaking his pre-planned view of the event doesn't actually incapacitate him. What if he reacted by slapping the victim a bit, waiting for the 'seizure' to be over, then raping her? Much better to a) learn to recognize the danger and stay away and b) be well trained at fighting so even if you do get attacked he wouldn't be able to rape you.

[Fish Of Doom]

i agree with slip. IMO such a tactic is a gamble, where you could work and rely on much more effective and efficient methods.

secondly, in the event that it does not throw him off, what's preventing him from wanting to rape a woman mid-seizure?

[19thlohan]

I heard somewhere that faking an epileptic fit may be a good way to deter a rapist. Does that sound accurate to you? I can't imagine someone low enough to commit a rape will be put off by you having a seizure.

If he's willing to be a rapist he may be willing to be a necrophiliac! I wouldn't depend on that defense.

[Gary]

It's one of those weird bits of logic that people think might work. It's not exactly something that gets lab tested or anything. I remember a similar one a while back about shouting Fire! instead of rape since people were more likely to come and help. Since most rape happens inside by someone you know rather than the few cases yet stereotypical situation of a stranger attacking you in public it seems bad advice to me.

[Moi]

You can't fake a seizure.

[Fusen]

I remember a similar one a while back about shouting Fire! instead of rape since people were more likely to come and help. Since most rape happens inside by someone you know rather than the few cases yet stereotypical situation of a stranger attacking you in public it seems bad advice to me.
I was also told this in a psychology lecture, it was based on a women who was beaten to death in New York over in hour whilst the local residents who heard the screams for help ignored them, similar cases happen semiregulary. The advice was that to shout FIRE instead of HELP when you were attacked (not nec being raped) was more likily to attract attention as in a fire it is your own self interest that makes people fight a local fire.

[Microlamia]

You can't fake a seizure.

You probably can't fake a seizure ACCURATELY. You could certainly roll your eyes up, drop, stiffen, and start convulsing. A lay person without medical knowledge probably wouldn't know the difference. I'm fairly sure a rapist wouldn't, they generally tend to have low IQs. But yeah, that's beside the point. Someone who is lacking enough in conscience to rape another human being, probably won't care much if you have a seizure.

[Moi]

You probably can't fake a seizure ACCURATELY. You could certainly roll your eyes up, drop, stiffen, and start convulsing. A lay person without medical knowledge probably wouldn't know the difference. I'm fairly sure a rapist wouldn't, they generally tend to have low IQs. But yeah, that's beside the point. Someone who is lacking enough in conscience to rape another human being, probably won't care much if you have a seizure.

It's the power in the movement that would be difficult to fake but as you say 'who knows?'
Crapping yourself may be a useful defence??

[Microlamia]

If it was the one thing that might save you from otherwise certain rape, sure.

[Gary]

I was also told this in a psychology lecture, it was based on a women who was beaten to death in New York over in hour whilst the local residents who heard the screams for help ignored them, similar cases happen semiregulary. The advice was that to shout FIRE instead of HELP when you were attacked (not nec being raped) was more likily to attract attention as in a fire it is your own self interest that makes people fight a local fire.
But that's also the problem, in public this might work but in a building your first reaction to someone shouting fire would be split between going to look and getting out of the building.

I guess my real point was that there aren't any cookie cutter solutions to issues like this, since the situation and psychology of each case is so different and what may work in one occasion could be detrimental in another.

[Metal_Kitty]

The best rape defense is probably learning BJJ

I doubt a seizure would deter some rapists from getting their "fix". I mean, there are people out there sick enough to rape animals, babies, grannies and dead people!

[Moi]

The best rape defense is probably learning BJJ

I doubt a seizure would deter some rapists from getting their "fix". I mean, there are people out there sick enough to rape animals, babies, grannies and dead people!

I've said for years it should be taught to all girls in school

[Dean Winchester]

BJJ would be great for if things went wrong but some training in other areas is needed too.

You really don't want to be waiting untill your on the floor to apply your "self defence plan". Obviously there is a whole host of things that happen before this and, IMO, they need working on too.

[Moi]

BJJ would be great for if things went wrong but some training in other areas is needed too.

You really don't want to be waiting untill your on the floor to apply your "self defence plan". Obviously there is a whole host of things that happen before this and, IMO, they need working on too.

I think most rapes are carried out by people known to the victim. BJJ would be the safety net I guess. Best chance of beating a larger attacker but anything is a longshot unfortunately against some attacks

[Dean Winchester]

I agree but even when dealing with a "known entity" there are things you can have in place, nothing is perfect but if you're looking at self defence then there are other areas to cover too.

I've said before that "The Gift of Fear" by Gavin de Becker is well worth a read for this type of thing.

[Moi]

I agree but even when dealing with a "known entity" there are things you can have in place, nothing is perfect but if you're looking at self defence then there are other areas to cover too.

I've said before that "The Gift of Fear" by Gavin de Becker is well worth a read for this type of thing.

I think it's too late by then. Educating the male is the only real way forward with stiffer (pardon the pun) penalties for those convicted.

[Microlamia]

The best rape defense is probably learning BJJ

I doubt a seizure would deter some rapists from getting their "fix". I mean, there are people out there sick enough to rape animals, babies, grannies and dead people!

I would like to learn some. No classes around here though. :(

[Fish Of Doom]

why not try judo? afaik, most techniques are similar if not the same, what with bjj being an extrapolation of judo, so to speak.

[Microlamia]

Judo school is also too far away. I could take a taxi, but it costs...like...an arm, a leg, and your eyes and lungs too. I don't get paid enough :(

[Fish Of Doom]

bicycle?

[Moi]

bicycle?

That's no way to talk to a lady :)

[Fish Of Doom]

should have said so before that thread about gender roles :evil:

[Moi]

should have said so before that thread about gender roles :evil:

You can still think of women as your equal and treat them like the delicate little objects of desire that they really are :Angel:

[Fish Of Doom]

are you implying that i'm a delicate little object of desire? :saz:

[Moi]

I've no doubt that you are

[slipthejab]

are you implying that i'm a delicate little object of desire? :saz:

Fish of Doom = DLOD

[Fish Of Doom]

THELISTMAKER, THEY'RE MAKING FUN OF ME!

castrate them with a dish plz

[6footgeek]

on the original topic... whats to say a crazed rapist doesnt believe your epileptic fit is just an orgasm?

[Microlamia]

Lol, a bit too far to bicycle. I think I'd faint...

Plus this town is a rectum. I wouldn't feel safe cycling alone.

[Fish Of Doom]

double post

need to control my internetz before there are any casualties

[Fish Of Doom]

kidnap a judo instructor then

it's the only way!

[Microlamia]

Lol!! How? Chloroform? :D:D:D

[Moi]

Lol!! How? Chloroform? :D:D:D

Considering the thread maybe Rohypnol?

[Microlamia]

LOOOOOL!!!

Would be cool to get the judo skills downloaded into my brain via neural plug a la the Matrix :D

[Fish Of Doom]

do it the old fashioned way. crack his head open and eat his brain :p

zombie judo! (hey, their arms are already in the correct position)

[Metal_Kitty]

Amazing what can happen to a perfectly sensible thread overnight!

On another note...here's a zombie judo demonstration :)

[Moi]

Well if we're going to make a party of it

YouTube- Australian Nibble Nobbys Nuts Commercial 1990

[Killa_Gorillas]

Crapping yourself may be a useful defence??

It stopped me getting laid this weekend :jester:

[Moi]

It stopped me getting laid this weekend :jester:

I'm not going to ask

[Killa_Gorillas]

I'm not going to ask

Good choice :)

[Judderman]

The list of these idiotic deterent myths increases!!

The only way to deter a rapist is to make yourself appear less of a victim.

Rape is a violent act based on domination and control. A rapist, whether known to you or not, will look for qualities in the person and/or environment that will make this focus easy. If the qualities are not present they will search for ways to manipulate the environment to make it easier eg isolation, alcohol, drugs, weapons or sudden extreme violence.

If someone is willing to go to these lengths do really think what ever condition you may or may not have will put them off?

If you are going to fight, make sure you give it absolutely everything then run like hell to the nearest source of help.

[Moi]

The list of these idiotic deterent myths increases!!

The only way to deter a rapist is to make yourself appear less of a victim.

Rape is a violent act based on domination and control. A rapist, whether known to you or not, will look for qualities in the person and/or environment that will make this focus easy. If the qualities are not present they will search for ways to manipulate the environment to make it easier eg isolation, alcohol, drugs, weapons or sudden extreme violence.

If someone is willing to go to these lengths do really think what ever condition you may or may not have will put them off?

If you are going to fight, make sure you give it absolutely everything then run like hell to the nearest source of help.

Do you have evidence for this?

[asher987]

The list of these idiotic deterent myths increases!!

The only way to deter a rapist is to make yourself appear less of a victim.

Rape is a violent act based on domination and control. A rapist, whether known to you or not, will look for qualities in the person and/or environment that will make this focus easy. If the qualities are not present they will search for ways to manipulate the environment to make it easier eg isolation, alcohol, drugs, weapons or sudden extreme violence.

If someone is willing to go to these lengths do really think what ever condition you may or may not have will put them off?

If you are going to fight, make sure you give it absolutely everything then run like hell to the nearest source of help.

The idea behind faking a seizure is not to put the attacker off because you have a condition, but putting them off because you are behaving unpredictably. This may give you a window of opportunity to take the attacker by surprise and either disable them or escape.

[Sgt_Major]

Well, it MIGHT work .... or it might give the rapist a fetish...

[Moi]

Well, it MIGHT work .... or it might give the rapist a fetish...

I've been thinking that. I can just imagine a rapist walking away thinking to himself "that was the best one yet"

[Sgt_Major]

easiest too.... she didnt even have the strength to fight back....

[Moi]

easiest too.... she didnt even have the strength to fight back....

No officer he didn't have a knife, just a strobe light. Makes you worry about Buzz Lightyear

[Sgt_Major]

LOL!

Dynamo from The Running Man = serial rapist :D

[Moi]

I caused a seizure once with a lad. Horrible to think it was my fault. Couldn't believe the power a body has when convulsing

[Johnno]

I caused a seizure once with a lad. Horrible to think it was my fault. Couldn't believe the power a body has when convulsingI did the same thing to a mate of mine. Completely by accident, but I still felt really bad about it.

[Moi]

I did the same thing to a mate of mine. Completely by accident, but I still felt really bad about it.

I didn't know the guy but he seem interested in the bottle of poppers my wife and I were sharing. Curiosity killed the cat so to speak

[Saz]

If I was ever in that situation (god forbid) the last thing I would ever consider doing is voluntarily putting myself on the ground.

There's too many variables to recommend this as a valid tecniquie for rape defence. Yes they may freak out and run off, but they may also decide to wait a few minutes for the "seziure" to finish and the physical exhaustion that always follows a fit to arrive.

[Johnno]

It strikes me that the process of faking a seizure would put you in a very vulnerable position, which makes it a very risky strategy. (I'm assuming that faking a seizure would involve writhing around on the ground.)

[Judderman]

Do you have evidence for this?

Only my experience with working with them for nearly 5 years.

[Moi]

Only my experience with working with them for nearly 5 years.

Victims or rapists?

[Judderman]

Victims or rapists?

Unfortunately, mostly the rapists.

[Moi]

Unfortunately, mostly the rapists

Yuk. Don't suppose you're an executioner?

[Judderman]

never that lucky.

Besides torture would be better than execution. But thats a whole different thread.... :)

[Moi]

never that lucky.

Besides torture would be better than execution. But thats a whole different thread.... :)

So the think I don't understand, probably because I'm not a rapist, is the power thing. Is it a sexual act or a power trip or a bit of both? Can't seem to separate rape and sex.

[Judderman]

Its rarely about the sex, its just sex is how the violence is expressed.

In many cases can be a "power" thing, but its more than that.

I think the closest analogy is the Vikings. Apparently they thought homosexuality was the most dispicable thing a man could do. This is why they would rape defeated enemies. Its not about the sex, its what the sex represents.

[jwt]

Its rarely about the sex, its just sex is how the violence is expressed.

In many cases can be a "power" thing, but its more than that.

I think the closest analogy is the Vikings. Apparently they thought homosexuality was the most dispicable thing a man could do. This is why they would rape defeated enemies. Its not about the sex, its what the sex represents.

Not wishing to go too far OT but are you saying the Vikings raped defeated men? I've never heard that before.

[Judderman]

Apparently so. They called it the "shame stroke".

[jwt]

Apparently so. They called it the "shame stroke".

Interesting. In all my time as a medieval historian I never heard that bit of info, which is odd as I specialised in the Normans. Can you remember a source?

[Judderman]

It was on a sexuality awareness fair at work (please don't ask)

The link below may be useful

http://www.vikinganswerlady.com/gayvik.shtml

[jwt]

It was on a sexuality awareness fair at work (please don't ask)

The link below may be useful

http://www.vikinganswerlady.com/gayvik.shtml

Not a bad article, but a shame stroke across the buttocks more probably refers to a slicing cut across the gluteus maximus, not anal penetration. This would likely lead to the loss of mobility, hence it being regarded as an 'unmanning' blow. This was as I recall a punishment that was inflicted elsewhere in medieval europe.

Anyway... apologies for going OT.

[Microlamia]

I have a small lock knife. I figure staying alert plus an edged weapon is an okay defensive strategy.

But your strategy does sound kinda cool..:)

That post stirred up a lot of dormant rage in me.

I wanted to go after all the snot nosed boys who ever grabbed my breasts, beat the crap out of them, cut their penises off, and take a dump on them.

And the kid who decided to prove that 'boys are stronger than girls' by throwing me around like a rag doll..while I didn't even fight back because I already had it in my head that I couldn't...yeah...violence and castration for him too.

I'll shut up about this subject now and think of something else, my adrenal glands are acting all weird. :mad: :cyborg: :yeleyes:

[Infrazael]

I have a small lock knife. I figure staying alert plus an edged weapon is an okay defensive strategy.

But your strategy does sound kinda cool..:)

That post stirred up a lot of dormant rage in me.

I wanted to go after all the snot nosed boys who ever grabbed my breasts, beat the crap out of them, cut their penises off, and take a dump on them.

And the kid who decided to prove that 'boys are stronger than girls' by throwing me around like a rag doll..while I didn't even fight back because I already had it in my head that I couldn't...yeah...violence and castration for him too.

I'll shut up about this subject now and think of something else, my adrenal glands are acting all weird. :mad: :cyborg: :yeleyes:

Angry sexual frustration? :google: :D

[Moi]

Angry sexual frustration? :google: :D

I know a cure for that :evil:

[Microlamia]

Angry sexual frustration? :google: :D

No...Other stuff.

[Microlamia]

Okay, I googled the phrase 'angry sexual frustration'.

No search results.

[Moi]

Other stuff sucks (pardon the terminology)

[koyo]

Mrs Koyo once broke a guys fingers who was trying to touch her up.

It sent him into a rage just as I appeared.

Was not a night he would wish to remember,

[Moi]

Okay, I googled the phrase 'angry sexual frustration'.

No search results.

I did it and it took me to my website :mad:

[Moi]

Mrs Koyo once broke a guys fingers who was trying to touch her up.

It sent him into a rage just as I appeared.

Was not a night he would wish to remember,

They still ache when it's cold even now

[6footgeek]

By Moi
I know a cure for that


CHINESE GINSENG!!!!

[Microlamia]

Other stuff sucks (pardon the terminology)

Yeah.

I hate this body.

112lbs of soft, defenseless gelatine.

I felt so jealous of the boys going through puberty. They got cool stuff like height and upper body strength. I got a useless pair of breasts, messed up movement due to wider hips, and a lot of unwanted attention.

Even though I was fairly harsh and androgynous looking, and tended to dress weirdly (I was trying to emulate Carrie Anne Moss...I looked more like a transvestite).

Apparently these so-called 'boys' don't mind if you have zigzag androgenized facial bones, so long as you have tits they can grab and maul.

Being female is not a condition worth having, unless you are Cyborg Santos, or Sarah Kaufman.

[Moi]

Yeah.........


You don't still feel like that now do you?

[Microlamia]

I'm ok.

Sorry for unloading. It was fairly inappropriate.

[Moi]

I'm ok.

Sorry for unloading. It was fairly inappropriate.

I'd like to say 'get it off your chest' but I think you might add me to your list.

We never had any issues like that at my school but then there were no girls there.

[-Harlequin-]

Apparently these so-called 'boys' don't mind if you have zigzag androgenized facial bones, so long as you have tits they can grab and maul.



Yay, boobies. :banana:

[6footgeek]

Meh. Is ok.
Back when i went through puberty the only women i got the hots for were on my PS2... *YUNA!! drool*
All my class girls did'nt really exist for us boys back then. And the elder ones... well they were older. and over here elder means sister or aunt =P

[Microlamia]

Yay, boobies. :banana:

Just make sure their owner is your fully consenting girlfriend.

[Moi]

Just make sure their owner is your fully consenting girlfriend.

It surprises me that it's any other way but that's an all boys school for you. Women tend to be put on a pedestal. Still they got to dance somewhere (sorry)

[Microlamia]

I don't want to be reliant on guys. I am a 20 year old woman not a little child.

No, we do not have the easiest life.

Did you grow up in an environment where sexual harassment was commonplace? Did you get in trouble for slapping or pushing someone to get them to stop fondling you against your will? Did you get reprimanded because you told the guy who wouldn't stop grabbing your breasts IN CLASS to '**** off', while he got away with the behaviour?

Do you have to tolerate being mauled around every time you go to some social event?

Do you have to quietly accept being groped because the guy is bigger than you, and he gets aggressive if you tell him to quit it and go away? (Not that I actually do tolerate it quietly).

Yeah...being a woman rocks. Not.

I'd rather have some actual muscle mass than breasts any damn day.

[Moosey]

I don't want to be reliant on guys. I am a 20 year old woman not a little child.

No, we do not have the easiest life.

Did you grow up in an environment where sexual harassment was commonplace? Did you get in trouble for slapping or pushing someone to get them to stop fondling you against your will? Did you get reprimanded because you told the guy who wouldn't stop grabbing your breasts IN CLASS to '**** off', while he got away with the behaviour?

Do you have to tolerate being mauled around every time you go to some social event?

Do you have to quietly accept being groped because the guy is bigger than you, and he gets aggressive if you tell him to quit it and go away? (Not that I actually do tolerate it quietly).

Yeah...being a woman rocks. Not.

I'd rather have some actual muscle mass than breasts any damn day.
You know all the things about self-defence being mainly awareness of your environment and avoiding bad situations - do you practice that?

Not trying to be argumentative, just wondering whether it's situational awareness more than muscle mass that might see you right.

[Fish Of Doom]

moosey, there's not much situational awareness that you can have if you're being groped inside a classroom ¬_¬

[Moosey]

moosey, there's not much situational awareness that you can have if you're being groped inside a classroom ¬_¬
She's said she's 20 and after mentioning the classroom started talking in the present tense.

[Fish Of Doom]

ah, good point.

maybe she means uni, though?

[Microlamia]

You know all the things about self-defence being mainly awareness of your environment and avoiding bad situations - do you practice that?

Not trying to be argumentative, just wondering whether it's situational awareness more than muscle mass that might see you right.

Yeah.

In the first case, situational awareness wasn't much use. I knew where I was. IN CLASS AT SCHOOL. Didn't prevent the behaviour from going on. No wonder I left that poop hole early.

As for social events...I just don't go out any more really. I don't feel like more helpings of people vomiting on my feet and grabbing my breasts. Plus I do have a rage problem. I don't deal well with strangers getting too friendly and touching me.

Situational awareness is cool, but you have to go to the toilet sometimes, and there's not much you can do about the group of thugs hanging out on the way to the loo. I did learn the trick of waiting for a group of women to go to the toilet together, as they are less likely to be harassed.

Also, in a crowded room, hard to know which of the A holes on that dance floor or in that pub are the ones to avoid.

Did I mention drunk dudes in taxis thinking it's ok to touch you up?

Young 'men' thinking it's a huge laugh to block the door to the taxi office, and threaten to rape you if you talk back to them?

Granted this town is a bit of a toilet. People may be a bit more civilized where you are.

[-Harlequin-]

Yeah.

In the first case, situational awareness wasn't much use. I knew where I was. IN CLASS AT SCHOOL. Didn't prevent the behaviour from going on. No wonder I left that poop hole early.

As for social events...I just don't go out any more really. I don't feel like more helpings of people vomiting on my feet and grabbing my breasts. Plus I do have a rage problem. I don't deal well with strangers getting too friendly and touching me.

Situational awareness is cool, but you have to go to the toilet sometimes, and there's not much you can do about the group of thugs hanging out on the way to the loo. I did learn the trick of waiting for a group of women to go to the toilet together, as they are less likely to be harassed.

Also, in a crowded room, hard to know which of the A holes on that dance floor or in that pub are the ones to avoid.

Did I mention drunk dudes in taxis thinking it's ok to touch you up?

Young 'men' thinking it's a huge laugh to block the door to the taxi office, and threaten to rape you if you talk back to them?

Granted this town is a bit of a toilet. People may be a bit more civilized where you are.

Careful the actions of a few, dont cause you to hold a negative view of the many.

I know its not easy, but try to remember, every man is as different as every woman.

[Moosey]

Yeah.

In the first case, situational awareness wasn't much use. I knew where I was. IN CLASS AT SCHOOL. Didn't prevent the behaviour from going on. No wonder I left that poop hole early.

As for social events...I just don't go out any more really. I don't feel like more helpings of people vomiting on my feet and grabbing my breasts. Plus I do have a rage problem. I don't deal well with strangers getting too friendly and touching me.

Situational awareness is cool, but you have to go to the toilet sometimes, and there's not much you can do about the group of thugs hanging out on the way to the loo. I did learn the trick of waiting for a group of women to go to the toilet together, as they are less likely to be harassed.

Also, in a crowded room, hard to know which of the A holes on that dance floor or in that pub are the ones to avoid.

Did I mention drunk dudes in taxis thinking it's ok to touch you up?

Young 'men' thinking it's a huge laugh to block the door to the taxi office, and threaten to rape you if you talk back to them?

Granted this town is a bit of a toilet. People may be a bit more civilized where you are.
Again, not trying to be a pain but you talk as if going out means getting wrecked in a nightclub. Your complaints are that when you're out drinking dudes try to touch you up, start fights, get aggressive. So surely one element of situational awareness would be avoid going drinking in nightclubs? They don't tend to be places where you meet the nicer elements of humanity at the best of times.

If you don't like your town and you don't go out there anyway, or enjoy going out there, why not move somewhere nicer? You're right to an extent in that it is fairly nice where I live, but I only live here because I moved here, not because I have family here or grew up here.

[Microlamia]

I don't drink, and I tend to wear what you would call 'modest' clothes. Why do you assume I like to 'get wrecked'?

That's why I don't go out any more. Naive little me thought it was a nice place to enjoy the loud techno music and the neon lights. Nope.

Would like to move somewhere nicer, but won't be able to afford that in the short term.

@ Harlequin: I didn't say all men were monsters. Clearly these types are the underclass, not the norm. :)

[Rhea]

Closed for cleaning of off topic posts.
EDIT - DONE

[Metal_Kitty]

In my experience, there's A LOT of sleazy guys around...but I've never come across one that has done anything too extreme. It's usually just sleazy comments, a slap on the ass, lifting up my skirt, forced hugs, and arms around my waist or shoulders. Nothing worth hurting someone for. But I do get angry as well, and they usually get an earful of nasty verbal abuse. It's definitely a cultural problem more than anything else. Those type of guys usually don't think they're doing anything inappropriate (of course I'm not talking about blatant sexual assault). And sadly many girls actually welcome that sort of attention. Doesn't help our cause, does it?

In terms of being a girl....I love it and I take a lot of pride in my femininity. And I don't see any reason why a girl can't be just as good at self defense as a man...and that's why I train hard!

[Microlamia]

In my experience, there's A LOT of sleazy guys around...but I've never come across one that has done anything too extreme. It's usually just sleazy comments, a slap on the ass, lifting up my skirt, forced hugs, and arms around my waist or shoulders. Nothing worth hurting someone for. But I do get angry as well, and they usually get an earful of nasty verbal abuse. It's definitely a cultural problem more than anything else. Those type of guys usually don't think they're doing anything inappropriate (of course I'm not talking about blatant sexual assault). And sadly many girls actually welcome that sort of attention. Doesn't help our cause, does it?

In terms of being a girl....I love it and I take a lot of pride in my femininity. And I don't see any reason why a girl can't be just as good at self defense as a man...and that's why I train hard!

I think it IS worth hurting someone for.

I don't mean it's okay to beat the snot out of them and continue to ground and pound while they're unconscious, but a slap wouldn't be out of order.

Myself, I found that just saying 'no' or 'don't touch me' or just a push brought the most extreme reactions. One dude raised his fist to me (a former friend I used to kickbox with, no less) another one grabbed a stool and threatened me with it while his friends guffawed.

[Moi]

I think it IS worth hurting someone for.

I don't mean it's okay to beat the snot out of them and continue to ground and pound while they're unconscious, but a slap wouldn't be out of order.

Myself, I found that just saying 'no' or 'don't touch me' or just a push brought the most extreme reactions. One dude raised his fist to me (a former friend I used to kickbox with, no less) another one grabbed a stool and threatened me with it while his friends guffawed.

Violence begets violence. Hiding behind your gender doesn't always work

[Microlamia]

Violence begets violence. Hiding behind your gender doesn't always work

I don't hide behind my gender.

[Moi]

I don't hide behind my gender.

So it's acceptable by you if you slap someone for them to punch you and knock you out?

[Microlamia]

So it's acceptable by you if you slap someone for them to punch you and knock you out?

Yeah. He can damn well go ahead. I am not a municipal sensory toy.

Excuse me for my angry tone...

[Moi]

Yeah. He can damn well go ahead. I am not a municipal sensory toy.

Excuse me for my angry tone...

You should be able to sort it without violence which does usually escalate. Can't you find nicer friends?

[Microlamia]

Lol, this is one A hole I'm talking about. I don't usually hang with people who like to sexually harass and threaten me with violence :D

[Moi]

Lol, this is one A hole I'm talking about. I don't usually hang with people who like to sexually harass and threaten me with violence :D

Better to tell him really loudly, in public, not to ever touch you again. Make your feelings known without losing your temper. If you lose your temper then his friends with find it funny and he'll be able to continue. You've always got the police