Escapes/Submissions from the guard

[johndoch]

Probably been done before,

What are your favourite escapes/submissions from a guard position??

[Sonshu]

If its a open guard then a heel hook or ankle lock.

If its a closed guard then a neck crank.

MOST ARE NOW NOT ACCEPTABLE MOVES IN SOME MMA COMPS! - DOH!

[Ghost Frog]

What's a neck crank look like?

[Sonshu]

You put both hands behind there neck whilst in the guard. Elbows down on chest and with the arms you pull there head into there chest.

Keep the pressure applied and this will cause a sub. Very simple move.

Hope this helps.

[Trent Tiemeyer]

Stepover toehold is my favorite attack on an open guard, from the guard I dig the omoplata or triangle.

[totality]

from the guard, my favorite submission always has been and always will be the triangle. especially now that i've actually started to get them. from open guard, when the opponent stands, sometimes i can get a kneebar. very cool.

[Acekicken]

Originally posted by Sonshu
If its a open guard then a heel hook or ankle lock.

If its a closed guard then a neck crank.

MOST ARE NOW NOT ACCEPTABLE MOVES IN SOME MMA COMPS! - DOH!

& elbow to the Thigh Re place with knee Spin to kneebar
or Cross Side

[TheMachine]

from the guard, the triangle choke ( yet I'm not really good in submitting a guy from guard, i'd rather sweep then mount). I'm a fan of the scissor sweep, butterfly sweep and the pendulum sweep

[TigerGrishkin]

Leg and foot locks, obviously. Love the various step-overs, spins etc. And also transitions within leg locks, like toe hold to opposite leg ankle lock to knee bar.

That ncek crank is too easy to counter. Works like a charm against people who can't grapple though!

[YODA]

Originally posted by TigerGrishkin

That ncek crank is too easy to counter. Works like a charm against people who can't grapple though!

Do you mean the "Can Opener?"

Very annoying and yes, pretty useless against someone who can grapple.

[Ghost Frog]

Originally posted by Sonshu
You put both hands behind there neck whilst in the guard. Elbows down on chest and with the arms you pull there head into there chest.

Keep the pressure applied and this will cause a sub. Very simple move.

Hope this helps.

Yeah, great cheers. :)

[johndoch]

Cheers guys

I've just started a Karate club although a lot of time is spent on the mats.

Because I've just started I tend to find I end up in guard a lot, so all your advise is appreciated.

Originally posted by Sonshu
If its a open guard then a heel hook or ankle lock.

If its a closed guard then a neck crank.

MOST ARE NOW NOT ACCEPTABLE MOVES IN SOME MMA COMPS! - DOH!

Sonshu could you maybe describe a heel hook and ankle lock from guard.

Cheers

JMD:)

[Sonshu]

You need to break it. If you stay in the guard you can not do much apart from punches and as many BJJ people have proved you can be submitted with good ease.

(Also all the nay sayers about neck cranks - I have got a fair few skilled grapplers with it as its a strength based move and this is somthing I have a fair bit off. Mark Coleman does it like no other but then he is as strong as an Ox! It works well on most and in the guard in a non striking match (KSBO etc) then you have little choice apart from breaking the guard.)

Still Heel Hook and Ankle Locks from the guard. Well you have to break it, this can be done with the elbows on the meat and soft parts of the thighs this is a bit more skillfull than just giving it brute strength to get out.

Once you are out and you have broken it then just sit back taking a leg (for this one we will say his left leg.) With your right arm hook over the top of his lef leg and secure it against your torso.

As you lay back you need to get your LEFT LEG over his left leg at the point of his Knee. Forming a 4 shape, then secure your own leg with your right leg at the point just sticking out of the number 4 shape we are using. This will stop him moving about so much him then lessening the technique. Then with his toes and part of his foot behind your back you move your wrist to the heel area of the foot so his foot is facing you and the heel is at the back you want your wrist half way so your hand is behind his heel then clasp your hands using a Catch Wrestling crip (this is my choice but and will do more or less) then wraise your hand up.

I have looked for a pic but cant find one - Ken Shamrock is a strong heel hooker! Sure someone will have a pic.

Leg Lock is like any other but in short it is an easy move but sounds complex even with simple instructions as securing the leg is my choice as it makes the lock better but its hand positioning that makes the heel hook.

ANYONE GOT A PIC?

[Sonshu]

Heel Hook and Ankle Lock from an open guard not a closed one.

Then its Neck Crank time or break the guard.

AS MANY PEOPLE HAVE SAID WHAT MOVE THE DO WHEN THEY HAVE SOMEONE IN THE GUARD MY CHOICE IS:

Key Lock or any number of Arm Bar's or sweep for mount position then perhaps hammer lock or GNP.

[johndoch]

Excuse my ignorance but is this a heel hook??:confused:

[Sonshu]

Looks like an ankle lock that went wrong.

I will try to get one or in failing that I will do one someone and put a pic up here for ya.

Unless anyone else has one to put up.

[johndoch]

Heel Hook (http://bjj.org/techniques/cesar/sub5/move6a.jpg)

Link to BJJ.org showing a heel hook :)

[Sonshu]

The difference with that one is he is hooking a leg across himself -as the guys right leg is being hooked buy his right arm which is (ad they are facing each other) on the opposite side.

I tend to just go for the same leg that is right by the arm. EG my right arm is directly opposite his left leg. This is why I then cross my other free leg over his knee to enhance the lock.

But the important bit with the heel hook is the position his arms are in and how the foot it tucked behind the torso.

Hope that makes more sence now mate!

:D

[johndoch]

Cheers Sonshu

Thats probably a bit advanced for myself unless I fluked it:D

Will give it a go if I get the chance

[Sonshu]

Is easier than the across the body version and I feel is harder to counter.

Let me know how it goes!

[TigerGrishkin]

Cross body heel hook is a quicker wrench than same side. Do you guys have a rundown on which leglocks beat which? I never did, but a Sambo instructor friend of mine uses it. It's pretty common when people start leglocks to see the other guy trying it to. It's good to know in situations like these that a cross body heel hook is going to beat an Achilles lock...before people start hurting each other needlessly.

[Yukimushu]

Originally posted by Sonshu
If its a open guard then a heel hook or ankle lock.

If its a closed guard then a neck crank.


I'm not a huge fan of neck cranks, dont like the idea that they cause damage to the neck vertebrae.

[Sonshu]

Besides with any grappling work you can control the level of power into it.

Its the same with any grappling moves - arm bar breaks it, ankle locks can cost peoples walking etc.

[saikyou]

with a gi: a cross strangle
without a gi: armbar

[johndoch]

hehe I got my first submission last night with an armbar :D

[saikyou]

Originally posted by johndoch
hehe I got my first submission last night with an armbar :D

nice!

[mikelw]

I like americana from closed guard, armbar from both closed guard and spider guard.

[YODA]

Originally posted by mikelw
I like americana from closed guard


That's not that common - how do you set it up?

[totality]

you don't mean from inside someone else's closed guard, do you??? i'm afraid i'd have to scoff if you do...

[YODA]

No I certainly don't - no need to scoff :D

I get the Kimura a lot from guard but not the Americana - I can't seem to get enough rotation into it without giving the guy room to escape or pound me with his other hand.

[lamegrappler]

looks like a straight