breathing tempo

[iammartialarts]

i dont know if this should be in cardiovascular, but i was wondering what research has been done on breathing you guys have found? my most current info i found just said most experts say breathing in for 2 seconds, breathing out 3 seconds followd by 1 second of nothing while at rest.

For health does anyone have more information on this? i cant seem to find much info just from web search. also any info on where to breath, from nose, mouse, i have seen different things in yoga, systema etc, some say just nose, some in nose out mouth.

and when you are doing high intensity training.

thx.

[PASmith]

I think your body will naturally breath in the rythm that is right for it.
You might be able to naintain your 2/3/1 ratio consciously for a few minutes but as soon as you get distracted and leave your breathing up to your body (what happens the vast majority of the time) it will revert.
It'd be like trying to control how often you blinked. You can regulate for a time but it quickly gets boring and your body will take over.
Evolution has pretty much programmed your body to work efficiently anyway.
Maintain it and you're good to go.

[Fullmachiato]

Google the Buteyko method.

[slipthejab]

Butekyo's method is complete garbage. The practitioners of his method that we have here promoting this kind of stuff are the most unhealthy specimens you can find. These guys couldn't fight their way out of a paper bag and are more akin to chemotherapy patients both in terms of physical fitness and overall condition.

Why on earth anyone would use this lot as the standard to go by is beyond me. I've never seen even one iota of reliable scientific study to back up any of the claims of this group. Oh wait... that's right... none exists.

[Hyper_Shadow]

I'll second what PASmith said. Your body's most efficient actions are the ones it does sub-consciously. So I'd say it's not something to worry about.

However it becomes a different story when you do intense periods of cardiovascular exercise. I do a lot of long distance running and I've found that early on in a long run (say 5 mile upwards) if I force my breathing to a set pattern then after a while my body sticks at that pattern while I run and I can usually last out those longer distances.

I think resting wise it's going to differ from person to person anyway. As was pointed out, the people promoting the Butekyo system weren't exactly prime specimens of health and general fitness. I think if you have a higher cardiovascular fitness level then your breathing rate is gonna be slower.

Your heart will be pumping at a much slower rate because it is bigger and more efficient at pumping blood. So you don't need to breath as often to oxygenate your blood. You will take deeper breaths and exhale more deeply, but less often.

So to summarise, my opinion is that the body does what is best and that as yet I've been unable to find any piece of information to support any other methods to improve upon it.

[PASmith]

if I force my breathing to a set pattern then after a while my body sticks at that pattern while I run and I can usually last out those longer distances.

Yeah. When I run I tend to drop into an in/out pattern that times with my stride pattern.
It's not a pattern I could maintain in normal life though.

[iammartialarts]

so theres no evidence on inhaling longer relative to exhaling or vice versa? ive managed to stop breathing in upper chest and only around my stomach, im not sure if ud be able to do that with tempo

[Hyper_Shadow]

I think the only fact I know of scientifically is that you exhale for longer than you inhale in order to get rid of waste product.

[47MartialMan]

Proper breathing is important. Especially when you have to wax a car, paint a fence-house, and sand the floor

[Kuma]

Agreed with what's already been said. As far as doing high intensity cardio, if you're doing it right the last thing you're going to be concerned about is your breathing tempo; you're going to be more concerned about breathing.

[Octavian_Caesar]

Deep breathing helps recovery, but I find it doesn't work for long periods of time. I.e. after an intense run, several deep, controlled breaths will help, but a dozen won't do any more. Same for if you're a bit exhausted already and have to do a big sprint, do several deep breaths first.

[Hyper_Shadow]

Little tidbit of information. Not sure where I got it from now, but I've found it works.

When your adrenaline's through the roof the best way to calm yourself is by deep, measured breaths. That extra intake of oxygen forces waste products out of the body (the major downside of adrenaline surges being the crap you deal with after) and helps you think that you are in a state of normality (so you return back to your normal state).

I'm gonna go find out where I learned this from Then I'll let you all know :)

[47MartialMan]

Deep breathing helps recovery, but I find it doesn't work for long periods of time. I.e. after an intense run, several deep, controlled breaths will help, but a dozen won't do any more. Same for if you're a bit exhausted already and have to do a big sprint, do several deep breaths first.

Reminds me of how Tai Ji was developed per its legend.