Am I the only one....

[Ice Queen]

It seems many have tried to jump on board the ninjutsu train. But ther are some out there that only seem to be hurting their students (in the long and short run). I had the displeasure of training in a dojo like that. Frank Dux Ryu. Anyone lse been screwed up the butt like I have?

"Outside of the dojo we don't consider ourselves ninjas" - direct quote from a student.

[Saz]

We've just had a new member join who's also trained in Dux Ryu.

http://www.martialartsplanet.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=9051

[Brad Ellin]

Fortunately for me, I have had only one bad experience training in Ninjutsu. It was a McDojo trying to pass itself off as part of the Bujinkan. He even had a picture of him with Hatsumi, claiming that was his proof of a black belt (heck, I have a picture of me with Hatsumi too, didn't make me a bb). Otherwise, I have been lucky to train with some of the most talented instructors out there. Where are you at Ice Queen? Who do you train with now?

[ns_oni]

Im also in bujinkan, but i was wondering if the kurokawa ninjutsu in brazil is legitimate, supposedly it has lineage with the koga ninja, but a few people have told me it doesnt fit into history/

[Ice Queen]

I'm bujinkan and met a few people that i hsng with out of the dojo. DRN, sucks and took me for a loop....but live and learn.

[SilentNightfall]

Oni, just to clarify your question about the supposed Ninjutsu in Brazil... The only publicly known forms of Ninjutsu with legitimate lineages are the X-kans (Bujinkan, Genbukan, and Jinenkan), though the Bujinkan is where the other two organizations came from so the Ninjutsu is all derived from the same place. No other style of Ninjutsu has given the public any proof of their claims outside of a history that is almost always forged. By now, it is well-known that the Koga and Iga styles have died out. If it does still exist and have ties anywhere, you wouldn't find it in Brazil. Something like that would be found in Japan only and most likely would not be known to the general public. Hope this information helps you. Once again, I'm not claiming that such a style couldn't be legitimate, it is just that it is unlikely and no prood whatsoever outside of a story. Ja!

[Kalifallen]

Ice Queen, how did Dux Ryu hurt you? I found a site that protrays the negativity of Frank Dux (www.teemax.com/truth.html). But it doesn't say anything bad about the art.
Just wondering...

[Ice Queen]

Yeah, i know that site. I know that guy. I am in the same boat as him. Too many lies too much bull****. And when the words " No more" came up, I was the bad person. The guy is fake. And I avoid fake lying *******s. A system is only as good as the teacher. If the teacher is a fake then so is his system. I can make a bunch of combos look good together and charge up the ass "to learn" it. Anyone can. Why do YOU think it is that anyone that trained with him and forms their own dojo dissassoicates (sp?)

[Kalifallen]

Majority of the time I'd say money. They forget the essence of Ninjutsu. Mind, body & spirit, as well as, the art, realism of combat, and all the rest.
Sometimes it is easy to dissassoicate. I've seen Karate instructors do it. Why not Ninjutsu too.

[Crazymonk]

I can assure you the information in the site http://www.teemax.com/truth.html is completely false. Whoever this "David Richardson" is, he must be bored out of his mind to write such LONNGGGGGG slander.

By personal experience, I can easily state some truth opposed to some of his bold-face lies.

-Frank Dux does not allow anyone to call him Frank Dux. Only close friends.
-He goes by another name
-He is not 6 ft tall, he is much shorter. I'm 5'8 and he is shorter than me.
-"David" refers to Bruce Lee as "True master", yet leaving out relational backgrounds that Bruce Lee is a good friend of him. He has pictures of him, Bruce lee, and Chuck Norris in his main dojo Dojo in a group picture.
-The most obviously ridiculous slander was the "stealing a video camera" part. I mean, get real!
-One who is depressed over the inconsistent reputation of others while believing in honor, also makes a website exerting that of which they have not condoned. Is it true that this person is so fraudulant, that one must boast?
-The L.A. Times got sued, they apologized.


In Conclusion, this man pretending to know Frank Dux. He has never even been near Frank Dux.

How do i know all of this, the master himself is a father of one of my best friends. And believe me........... he is VERY GOOD AT WHAT HE DOES.

-by the way, what is all this shovenist magician spazz he is doing?

[togakure_ninpo]

frank dux can't be any worse than ashida kim. read his website, and more specifically - read his FAQ page. the guy sounds like a pissed off tae kwon do drop out.

http://www.ashidakim.com/


rick tew bothers me too. if he would simply drop the word "ninjitsu" from his vocabulary and just refer to it as RTMS (rick tew martial science) like he does most of the time, I think people would respect him more.

[Crazymonk]

Is that ashida guy even a real martial artist?

Rick Tew is so cheesy. He spent more time developing that website than martial science. I'm glad he is not around the Dux anymore.

[Beehe]

yes i tried to get a good teacher for ninjistu most want too much money and me with a not well paying job so i had to teach myself most of the stuff i know

[Cougar_v203]

see this is why i train at home :D

[oneninja]

I think that we need to stop and listen to ourselves,We need to stop bashing other arts and their masters.Just because they may not be traditional does not make them any less effective.I have studied several arts and have effectively combined them into what my students and I consider to be a pretty good form of ninjitsu.after all ninjitsu is a mixed art too.I once visited a bujinkan dojo and what I saw seemed to be a watered down version of the ninjitsu I had learned,also I saw many split ranking belts with different colored stripes which I percieved to possibly be a way to make a little more money.One of my students went to this dojo to see what it was all about he had been training in my dojo for six months.It seems he was easily able to dispatch their best young black belt without much effort.Therefore the point being it does not have to be traditional to be effective. Incedentally that dojo is now out of business.With that said I do not think my style is any better but it is just as effective as other forms of ninjitsu,and really do not think that anyone should be attacking other styles.Remember just because someone or something is different does not mean they are not to be respected.

[SilentNightfall]

To Crazy and Oneninja, you must realize that the reason Dux is called a fake is not because he calls his art "Ninjitsu. The man makes completely false claims about himself and his art in order to propogate it and make money. He claims his art has Koga ryu lineage yet he has never produced any proof of his claim nor given a reason why a Japanese ryuha would be passed on to someone from America who has never shown proof of training in Japan. There are many who have done research on Mr. Dux and uncovered a great many things. Dux has lied about his military career, has forged photographs with digital imaging programs, and has also claimed to have won an actual kumite.

As far as other independent "Ninjitsu" styles getting bashed, it is simply because most claim to have a lineage that they do not just to make money. Many also have a problem with an art being called Ninjutsu when it clearly does not involve techniques that use the principles Ninjutsu is based on. If you take karate-do techniques and call it Ninjutsu, it is wrong simply because the techniques are relying on principles that go against the philosophy of Ninjutsu. Also, to say that an independent form of Ninjutsu is just as effective as that of other organizations is usually farfetched and so the independent practitioners get slandered. To say that those who begin an independent organization know what Ninjutsu is just as much as...say...Hatsumi-sensei is ridiculous. Usually those who begin their own organization have not trained in true Ninjutsu at all, and if they have, it hasn't been nearly long enough to have been shown the true essence and philosophy behind the art itself.

[oneninja]

To silentnightfall,I am not arguing whether or not frank dux is a fake or not I am saying that your ninjitsu is not the only ninjitsu.I have been studying martial arts for a long time,my teacher was born and raised in japan as for his lineage he never claimed to be connected to hatsumi yet the ninjitsu he taught me is real ninjitsu.I was taught in the old style which was not watered down for fear of lawsuits,because if you train people today the way they used to they would probably whine and cry and sue you.As in early days there are many families with ties to ninjitsu,hatsumi is not the only one.In closing I would jusy like to say I respect all serious martial artists and their styles because that is what I was taught to do.I have read many books on ninjitsu including hatsumi and hayes their art is real,just as mine is real.And as for you I do not know you but if you indeed study ninjitsu or any other martial art seriously I have the utmost respect for you and your art.

[SilentNightfall]

Just as a side note, you really must specift when you talk about how Ninja used to train. It varied greatly over the centuries depending on whether it was a period of peace or war. The reason we don't train similarly to Ninja today is because we do not live in a period of war. It is not necessary to be discrete about one's name, nor is it necessary to live on a strict diet and condition oneself as greatly as the Ninja who lives during times of war. The X-kans are definitely not watered-down. The only thing Hatsumi-sensei has specifically stated thus far that is no longer taught to the general public is the making and use of poisons. As far as your sensei, has he ever shown you proof of his lineage? Many instructors expect students to go on trust alone, usually when the individual is a fraud. Any instructor claiming actual Ninjutsu lineage should make their credentials and lineage open to the public or expect to receive ridicule. Note that this is a generalization and not aimed at your sensei. Just a general disclaimer to all practitioners.

[xplasma]

How do i know all of this, the master himself is a father of one of my best friends. And believe me........... he is VERY GOOD AT WHAT HE DOES.
Wait a second is Frank Dux you "magical sensei"?!

Edit:
BTW, who banned Crazymonk?

[Kagebushi]

Just because they may not be traditional does not make them any less effective

they didnt say it wasnt effective. they said it wasnt ninjutsu

as for his lineage he never claimed to be connected to hatsumi

all of the proven ninjutsu schools today came from the Bujinkan school. that means yours hasnt been proven to be legitimate. until you prove it you will catch crap like velcro. ;)



once visited a bujinkan dojo and what I saw seemed to be a watered down version of the ninjitsu I had learned

as if we werent just now arguing about whether a dojo was legitimate!
did you check that dojo's credentials? i doubt if it was, if a sixth-month student beat a blackbelt, and if it was then its just handing out blackbelts like candy. (of course ive had a dropouts from my dojo claim to have beaten my instructor, Luther C. Collins, when he wouldnt even spar with the better half of the class out of fear. so the students arent always to be trusted about such fantastic claims, either. ^you can look L.C. up, too, pm me) my point is, if you havent even proven that your dojo is legit, then dont bring other dojos into the equation.
I have studied several arts and have effectively combined them into what my students and I consider to be a pretty good form of ninjitsu

you CONSIDER. that doesnt mean its ninjutsu. it means you like it. what makes you think that it is true ninjutsu?

[SilentNightfall]

That explains a lot. The Sato ryu has been under strict criticism for failure to prove any lineage or provide any credentials for their art. Simply ask Don Roley over at the Martial Talk forum and you can get an idea about what the whole ordeal is about. No, we never said the art isn't effective, but anyone who must claim that their art is Ninjutsu when it is not is certainly a fraud. Rick Tew at least states that his art is an interpretation. If the head of Sato ryu could at least give some evidence, then the art would not be in the crosshairs as much as it is. Until then, expect to keep getting the skepticism. Also, could you give the name, location, and instructor of the dojo that you supposedly visited when you took out this black belt?

[SilentNightfall]

I was actually replying to the below post, which seems to have disappeared as quickly as it was posted. Interesting... Thankfully, I still had the message from oneninja in my e-mail.

"I beg to differ,I was taught ninjutsu by a very respected family,my teachers name was TOSHITORA YAMASHIRO of the sato ryu family.I studied under sato sensei for fourteen years and he taught authentic ninjutsu. And as for the way I was trained I did not mean hundreds of years ago I meant thirty-five years ago.I was trained privately among five other students,my sensei was a strict teacher alot different from teachers of today.Also the dojo in my afore mentioned post was one of hatsumi's dojos.As for my six month student maybe it was luck or maybe it was skill but one thing I do know it was positivley ninjutsu.I certainly hope that I have clarified any clouded issues if not please feel free to ask any remaining questions you may have."

[oneninja]

As I said before ninjutsu is also more than one style,whats wrong with adding your own experience to what you have learned.I studied ninjutsu for many years and I fully respect it,but I feel that by adding my own experience I have improved what I have learned.people constantly upgrade,and I do not see anything wrong with modernizing what I have learned.As for my style being legitamate what you think really is of no concern to me.My life experience with martial arts has been a positive one and I have found that it is good to have an open mind,you really should try it.As far as I am concerned what I teach is ninjutsu and I do not think that you or anyone else has the right to tell me anything different.As for mixing styles many arts have been improved by many teachers.as the student grows so does his art.

[SilentNightfall]

The point was, that anyone claiming to teach Ninjutsu outside of the X-kans is a fraud if they say they have a lineage and do not advertise the training as their interpretation of what Ninjutsu is. Frank Dux, the Sato ryu, Ashida Kim, etc. all claim to have a lineage that goes back to Japan but have never been able to prove it. I can deal with people saying they are teaching their interpretation of Ninjutsu, but not people claiming a lineage just to make money. There is a big difference between learning authentic Ninjutsu techniques that follow the principles of the true art and teaching something in the "spirit" of Ninjutsu. There is no way around it. Yes, any art being called Ninjutsu can be effective, but it isn't right to tell lies to people and claim something you don't have. If you don't admit to having nothing more than an interpretive art, you are a -fraud-. Dux, Kim, etc. are all frauds for this reason.

[oneninja]

I did not take out any black belt,It was one of my students who sparred with him on four different occasions.Also the dojo was located in hanover park illinois in the tradewinds shopping plaza.And since hatsumi and hayes vistited and conducted classes I have to believe that they indeed were connected to the dojo.This would have been about five or six years ago,unfortunatley I do not remember the name,but I will certainly try to find out for you.

[SilentNightfall]

To my recollection, Hatsumi-sensei has never visited any single dojo to teacch a class. He has given seminars in the U.S., but at very large functions that a dojo in a shopping plaza could never hold. Perhaps the dojo is a Toshindo dojo if Hayes visited?

[oneninja]

I do not make it a practice to lie,My students are quite aware that my art is well grounded in ninjutsu,and they also know that I have added my own techniques to it.And as for charging people to learm this ninjutsu I teach for fun and physical training ie;I am not interested in their money,I truly enjoy teaching this art,and you can call it what you will but that does not mean you are right.

[oneninja]

It is possible that the dojo was one of hayes schools but they did advertise authentic ninjutsu in connection with hatsumi-sensei.

[Brad Ellin]

Oneninja, no one was calling you a liar. The point trying to be made is if you have no proof of a legitimate lineage, no one will take you serious. It doesn't matter whether you believe it to be legit or enjoy teaching or training in it. If it's lineage can not be proven, no one will believe you. If you think about it, it makes sense. Supposed I claimed to be teaching ninjutus and that my teacher was the head of the Koga Ryu. But, I offered no proof. And given his name, no one else could find proof. Would you believe me? Or suppose I took a few years of ninjutsu and a few years of TKD and a little judo, and then said I was combing all 3 and calling it ninjutsu, just because I had some training in it. Would it be legitimate ninjutsu? No. That is not what ninjutsu is. As has been discussed numerous times before, ninjutsu is not just a combat art but a mental attitude and heartfelt attitude. If you want to be taken seriously, you need to offer proof.
As for Hatsumi visiting someone's dojo. Not likely. Someone may teach the budo arts of Hatsumi, but it is unlikely he would go to their dojo. His time when here for Tai Kai's is limited and pretty much packed. He does make appearances at official functions, banquets and awards, but I have never heard of him visiting someone's dojo. Heeck, if it does happen, I'd want to be there. If it did happen, I'm sure there are a lot of jealous people out there.

[Kagebushi]

and you can call it what you will but that does not mean you are right

now youre getting it! :D

[Grimjack]

The point trying to be made is if you have no proof of a legitimate lineage, no one will take you serious.

And the only problem is if you want people to treat you seriously and with respect. Telling stories about how one of your students of six months trashed a Bujinkan dojo and then refusing to provide proof of it is not the way to gain respect. Especially since your story of Soke visiting the school goes against what everyone else knows to be true.

As for Hatsumi visiting someone's dojo. Not likely.

That sums it up nicely. The story you tell just does not fit the known facts of how Soke acts. Add to this your reluctance to give any proof, your story that the school no longer seems to exist and your habit of boasting and then saying you don't care enough about us to back up what you say is a pretty good indication of why no one is taking you seriously like you desire.

[althaur]

Oneneinja,

Oh this just gets better. :) Toshitora Yamashiro wrote a bunch of ridiculous and false books on Ninjutsu in the 80's, it's also the AKA of Kenneth Sato. He isn't that old. How could he have started teaching you in 1966? Care to explain these little "oop's"?

Gotta keep your story straight, dude.

[Wizzy]

Frank Dux? Isn't that who Van-Damme played in Bloodsport? That movie was bad ass.

[kouryuu]

Frank Dux? Isn't that who Van-Damme played in Bloodsport? That movie was bad ass.

No, that movie was simply "bad!" and i mean that in the "crap" way :bang:

[saru1968]

Heh Heh...


Another 'Crunchy' Nut Ninja!


Seems like all the Moths are drawed to the TRUE guiding light of 'NINJUTSU', its a shame that their own lights are none too bright, that they need ours to illuminate their art.

:-)

[Little Scorpion]

Hope you skill is better than your dialog.

[saru1968]

My skill is fine thankyou, as is my Instuctors and those I train with with a verified lineage and knowledge base and I've got a real name an not an alias to hide behind.

I have nothing to prove, I do not 'need' to be accepted and I'm happy.

Gary

ps..Got to go know as some of us go to go to some 'real' training now!

:-)

[kouryuu]

Hope you skill is better than your dialog.

Better check your dialogue first!!!!!.

[Little Scorpion]

I don't think I had any moths to a flame comments. You "real ninja" seem inflicted with a superiority complex. How very disciplined of you.And don't get so heated there Marsupilami. I just thought that comment to be a little over the top.

[kouryuu]

Huh???

[Dale Seago]

You "real ninja" seem inflicted with a superiority complex.

No, it's more of an authenticity & integrity complex.

I don't feel that Hatsumi sensei's budo, for instance, is necessarily the best/most effective martial art out there -- in other words, no "superiority" complex -- it's just the best for me. I haven't encountered anything I do regard as better/more effective; however there's one other art I've seen, and trained in a bit, which isn't even Asian and which I feel is on the same level of sophistication.

[Little Scorpion]

Huh???
oh geez! your logo! Marsupalami old disney cartoon? Nevermind.

[Wizzy]

No, that movie was simply "bad!" and i mean that in the "crap" way :bang:

Correction: In your opinion.

[Peaceful Tiger]

Correction: In your opinion.
Aww, come on, it was a crap movie!
Okay, hands up, who thinks it was a crap movie?

[Korpy]

I liked Bloodsport.

It's not crap, it's your opinion, so don't try and change a person's opinion.

[Neil-o-Mac]

oh geez! your logo! Marsupalami old disney cartoon? Nevermind.

I think Marsupilami might be a bit before Norm's time. :D

[kouryuu]

I think Marsupilami might be a bit before Norm's time. :D

Ooooooh, that hurt!!!!!!!!! :cry:

[Neil-o-Mac]

Don't feel bad Norm, it's before my time too. Transformers, Ninja Turtles and MASK were my cartoons as a wee man. :D

[saru1968]

Oh my god, I remember the Bionic Man, I must be older than I thought!

Gary

:-)

[Peaceful Tiger]

Don't feel bad Norm, it's before my time too. Transformers, Ninja Turtles and MASK were my cartoons as a wee man. :D

I think MASK was shown on 'Wacaday' with Timmy Mallet and Michaela Strachan......and erm, 'Thundercats' was on Saturday Superstore

[althaur]

I think Marsupilami might be a bit before Norm's time. :D


As in, before the time he contracted Old Timer's Disease? :p :D


Josh

[kouryuu]

As in, before the time he contracted Old Timer's Disease? :p :D


Josh

You wait, when i grease these wheels on this Zimmer you lot are for it!!! :woo: :love:

[Keikai]

I liked Bloodsport.

It's not crap, it's your opinion, so don't try and change a person's opinion.

No one tried to change your opinion, they stated their opinion which in my view was a fair one.

[Keikai]

You wait, when i grease these wheels on this Zimmer you lot are for it!!! :woo: :love:

When was the last time anyone saw wheels on a zimmer frame? :D

[kouryuu]

When was the last time anyone saw wheels on a zimmer frame? :D

It`s the Boy Racer model!!!!!!! :cool:

[Keikai]

It`s the Boy Racer model!!!!!!! :cool:


Sure you dont mean Driving Miss Daisy?!?! :D

[kihon]

You ain't seen justice yet, but it's coming, and it looks just like ME! Since we cannot stop them from stealing this book, we shall make it worthless to them. They don't have it and we don't have it. That is what Khruschev called "détente." But YOU, my friends, will have it, and that is the important thing.

quote from ashidakim or whatever his name is

isnt 'detente' a french word used by the french not the russians?

sorry if wrong

[Lord Spooky]

Hope you skill is better than your dialog.


Ok out of order!!

Little Scorpion do you know of the level of knowledge and experience of some of the members of this forum???? Two guys who've replied to this tread spring to mind.....



Again instead of getting into debates over the word Ninjutsu why not focus on the discussion that was starting on Koppojutsu?? And other such subjects??



Ps Marsupalami was a Disney cartoon in the 90s

[Peaceful Tiger]

It`s the Boy Racer model!!!!!!! :cool:

Does it have 'Go Faster' stripes and naff fog lamps?

[althaur]

Oneninja, still waiting on an answer to my question................

[althaur]

Oneneinja,

Oh this just gets better. :) Toshitora Yamashiro wrote a bunch of ridiculous and false books on Ninjutsu in the 80's, it's also the AKA of Kenneth Sato. He isn't that old. How could he have started teaching you in 1966? Care to explain these little "oop's"?

Gotta keep your story straight, dude.


Apparently, the above revelations were too much for Oneninja. He still hasn't answered them even though he has visited since I posted them.

Oneninja, care to explain the mistakes? Try to get your story straight. Trust me, I can spot mistakes in a story. It's my job, and most of my "guests" would tell you I am good at it. :eek:

Josh

[Krazy5051]

Oneninja, care to explain the mistakes? Try to get your story straight. Trust me, I can spot mistakes in a story. It's my job, and most of my "guests" would tell you I am good at it.

:rolleyes: lol :rolleyes:

3.....2......1......relax.

Yours in martial arts,

Kid

[saru1968]

and I thought it was 1..2...3..relax, shows how much i know about wrestling

[althaur]

I always thought it was just "in through the nose, out through the mouth". Breathe, breathe. Stress sucks! :)

Must be stressful trying to keep all those lies straight also. Whew.

Josh

[snake_plisskin]

Trust me, I can spot mistakes in a story. It's my job, and most of my "guests" would tell you I am good at it. :eek:

Um, uh, what the? Okay, if I may pry, just exactly do you do for a living, Josh? By this statement, I'll take it you're either:

a.) An Operations Manager for the CIA who spends his time at Gitmo "checking out the guests" and poking holes in their "stories"
b.) A middle school assistant principal used to interrogating the little ruffians who swarm the halls of lower learning
c.) A nosy dentist with a really shaky hand who likes to ask people really intimate questions while they're under the influence of that ol' N2O.

--or--

d.) A correctional facility guard with a penchant for knowing where the cameras are... ...and aren't. :eek:

I'm simply curious, because your second-to-last post was so creepily ominous and vaguely menacing--like you were ready to show up at oneninja's front porch wearing Tyvek overalls and carrying a suppressed .22--it sent chilly chill chills up my spiny spine spine! :Alien:

--Snake

[Brad Ellin]

Nothing like that I bet. Just a mild mannered city desk newspaper editor (locks doors, places broken glass at base of windows, primes attack puppy)

[saru1968]

.... a mild mannered ......

Its always the quiet ones!

:-)

[Dale Seago]

Um, uh, what the? Okay, if I may pry, just exactly do I'm simply curious, because your second-to-last post was so creepily ominous and vaguely menacing--like you were ready to show up at oneninja's front porch wearing Tyvek overalls and carrying a suppressed .22--it sent chilly chill chills up my spiny spine spine! :Alien:

Actually he's a pussycat.

Since I was his instructor up through his passing of the godan test and until he was reassigned to an intelligence unit at FT Meade last year, I can go ahead and "out" him. :D

No need to worry about him showing up on anyone's front porch here in the States anytime real soon, as he's currently in Afghanistan.

Hey Josh, if you see anyone from Newsweek over there, punch 'em in the nose for me, okay?

http://abcnews.go.com/International/story?id=761361&page=1

[rocky]

I don't actually study Ninjutsu myself,i study Kung Fu and Kickboxing but found myself addicted to the Ninjutsu section.
You guys have some fantastic arguements!!Had no idea the "is it X-kan or isn't it" went on.

I am a little confused by Oneninja's comments:-

You say you have included other techniques/changed you system?Therefore isn't it now something different from Ninjutsu then(legitamcy arguement aside)?I know all styles evolve but you have worded it in a way that makes it sound like you deliberatly changed your art(that's my interperatation anyway).

Bruce Lee used 50% Wing Chun when creating his own art but didn't call it "New And Improved Wing Chun",he gave it it's own title.

Rocky

[saru1968]

Hi Rocky

Welcome to the fun section that is the 'Ninjutsu' forums.

You hit it on the head, that the basis for most of our 'arguements'.

If you create your 'own' style, fine good luck etc but don't call it something its not.

Gary

:-)

[Grimjack]

Or make claims of being taught something, and then fail to back the simplest of them up. And especially don't expect us to treat you based solely on your very unlikely claims without proof.

[althaur]

Those jobs sound cooler than mine. And Dale lies. I'm not a pussycat. I'm a big ferocious,,,,,, hamster? Anyhoo, I'm a Human Intelligence collector in Afghanistan. I here fabricated stories all day, and most of them are a lot better than some of what I've heard on here. If you aren't a good liar, please don't try. :)

Dale, I already told your wife that punching a Newsweek reporter wouldn't be nice. I'll kick em in the little guys.

Josh

P.S. Dale, Hicho in full battle rattle. :) I found some things. Heh heh.

[slipthejab]

removed

figuratively speaking I hope. :eek:

[kouryuu]

[QUOTE=althaur]

Dale, I already told your wife that punching a Newsweek reporter wouldn't be nice. I'll kick em in the little guys.

Josh

QUOTE]

Hi Josh, reference their little guys, they haven`t got any, that`s why they were able to write that crap and not be there when it hit`s the fan!.

Hope you`re ok

[snake_plisskin]

Mystery solved--no journalist, thank heavens! Josh, good luck over there. I PM'd Dale about my friend's little brother who's also overseas (location unknown). He works out of Ft. Meade, too.

Believe me--stick with interrogating Taliban members caught while perching on some rusted hulk of a T-72 and doing the "lift above head/pull trigger" method with their AKM. Those damn middle school kids'll drive you nuts!

And, if you saw "The Cook, the Thief, His Wife, and Her Lover" back in 1990, there's a more creative way to deal with the creative writers from Newsweek --feed 'em their words.... literally. Ah, you gotta see the movie to know what I'm talkin' 'bout.

And for all you naysayers out there, fyi, this thread is still on-track. Just drawing a connection between plagiarism and fabrication not only in martial arts (the whole "if you learn techniques from another martial art, but don't say it's from that art..." argument) but also in the so-called "professional" world of journalism.

As for journalists, make mine SOF .

rocky--that's a good question for oneninja, isn't it? And welcome to the wild-n-wooly ninjutsu forum. The people here are some of the most non-BS people you'll ever meet. That's one of the things that's always drawn me to train (if sporadically, these days) in budo taijutsu (or "ninjutsu")--how most practitioners don't fall for lots of flash and supposedly impressive claims, bragging, or whatnot, but instead look straight to the heart of things. Kind of like looking past the huge wing and ground effects on a car and going straight under the hood.

--Snake

[sith-smith]

Hi

Not posted for ages, been too busy :bang:

I remember when i first trained in Ninjutsu you'd always get some who's studied a bit of Karate or Judo ( no offense intended) who watches a Ninja movie puts on a black suit and hey presto you have Ninjitsu (I use an 'I' intentionally here)

My point is that just by calling something Ninjutsu it does not make it NInjutsu. You could put on brown robes, grow a beard and buy a fake lightsaber, It doesn't mean your a Jedi. I'm not interested in lineage and scrolls etc, though I do understand their importance. There is an essence to Ninjutsu which makes it Ninjutsu and not something else. The same can be said of all Martial arts.

My question here would be..what would you consider to be the essence of Ninjutsu? What makes Ninjutsu what is is?

[Lord Spooky]

Hi

Not posted for ages, been too busy :bang:

I remember when i first trained in Ninjutsu you'd always get some who's studied a bit of Karate or Judo ( no offense intended) who watches a Ninja movie puts on a black suit and hey presto you have Ninjitsu (I use an 'I' intentionally here)

My point is that just by calling something Ninjutsu it does not make it NInjutsu. You could put on brown robes, grow a beard and buy a fake lightsaber, It doesn't mean your a Jedi. I'm not interested in lineage and scrolls etc, though I do understand their importance. There is an essence to Ninjutsu which makes it Ninjutsu and not something else. The same can be said of all Martial arts.

My question here would be..what would you consider to be the essence of Ninjutsu? What makes Ninjutsu what is is?

Nice post and a good question!

However do you realise that you've just shattered my illusion with the whole Jedi thing..... :eek: I've been looking for a little bald green bloke to teach me for ages now, thought I'd found him too :D although don't know about the green bit :D

[kouryuu]

Nice post and a good question!

However do you realise that you've just shattered my illusion with the whole Jedi thing..... :eek: I've been looking for a little bald green bloke to teach me for ages now, thought I'd found him too :D although don't know about the green bit :D

Watch it!, i resemble that remark!. :eek:

[sith-smith]

A dodgy curry and I'm certain anyone would look green. :D

Sorry about the whole Jedi thing, especially on the eve of Return of the Sith. It must be like blasphemy!!!

[Lord Spooky]

Watch it!, i resemble that remark!. :eek:


I'm sure I don't know what you're on about... :D

[sith-smith]

As you can tell from my user name, I'm no Jedi!!!

[specourt]

You could put on brown robes, grow a beard and buy a fake lightsaber, It doesn't mean your a Jedi.

DARNIT.....where's my shaver? :bang:

[saru1968]

and i thought you meant Greg!

:-)

[Peaceful Tiger]

Watch it!, i resemble that remark!. :eek:

I was going to comment but decided it would be best not to... after seeing your Jedi powers :D

[Lord Spooky]

I was going to comment but decided it would be best not to... after seeing your Jedi powers :D


Yeah you’re probably best not to he may end up getting that bloody squeaky thing out, I’ve now got a phobia of pet toys :eek: :D :D

Er right what was the question oh yeah

Essence of Ninjutsu discuss:.........

[saru1968]

Off topic

1 hour to go!

at last we will have revenge!

Gary

:-)

[JibranK]

Only to have your master's apprentice redeemed in a few years :)

[Peaceful Tiger]

Revenge of the Sith

Off topic

1 hour to go!

at last we will have revenge!

Gary

:-)

I'm just off to watch it at the Swindon Cineplex :D

[sith-smith]

Revenge of the Sith



I'm just off to watch it at the Swindon Cineplex :D

Saw it this morning at 12.30 am :cool:

[sith-smith]

So anyway, essence......?

[Lord Spooky]

So anyway, essence......?


The ability to endure and survive be it through combat or just walking the other way but at the same time holding true to the principles and belifes in your heart.

How's that?

[sith-smith]

Nicely put.

so, what would these principles and beliefs be?

[Lord Spooky]

Nicely put.

so, what would these principles and beliefs be?


Why thank you :)

Now I think this may be where it becomes a bit tricky because they are all down to personal values and if these values conflict with Soke's teachings then I would imagine what we do ceases to be Budo as Hatsumi Senei teaches and becomes something else even though we may be using the same methods. :confused:

*Rich looks around for Shidoshi but all he can see is smoke * tsk proably have three of them turn up in a bit :D

[saru1968]

'Only the Sith deal in absolutes'

:-)

[sith-smith]

'Only the Sith deal in absolutes'

:-)

That's absolutely true. ;)

[Brad Ellin]

This thread has long ago outlived it's usefulness, it is now closed. If you want to continue on with the essence discussion, feel free to start a new thread. In the future, any thread that goes off topic and continues for more than 2 posts, will be closed. We have a "General Discussion" thread for the off topic stuff. Let's keep it there.