What is the best martial art to join ? FOR SELF DEFENSE (for real street fighting)? [Archive]

energyboost

10-Oct-2002, 04:34 PM

I can't tell you which works best all i can say is what works for me. I started with tkd, but saw it was very limited and grew tired of it rather quickly. Then I started with tai chi because a friend had sent me flying across a room even though he was physically smaller than me. At around the same time i began researching jeet kune do. I've been practicing since i was 8 years old(21 now) and thru understanding of jkd and tc i have developed my own way of fighting which includes the understanding of the flow and energy properties of tai chi and the economy and straighforwardness of jeet kune do. Now I personally hate fighting, i try to avoid it at all costs, but that doesn't mean i haven't had the occasional brawl. And the last 6 months that i have developed this technique I have come out unscathed sans my knuckles from the last 3 real street fights i've had.

HKD

14-Oct-2002, 12:23 PM

there is no best martial art. You need to find the one that fits you the best then you have found the best art for you. Don't just go up to the school up the street cuz it's closer to you. look into the different styles and learn whats good for you.

HKD

Red5angel

22-Oct-2002, 02:52 PM

myusername, why are you fighting so much? You know its bad, so why do it? At the very least it can be very bad for your health?

Eddie

23-Oct-2002, 08:23 AM

you are not looking for a martial art. from the sounds of it, you are just looking to learn how to fight. why dont you join your local bikers club and participate in their weekly friday night arm wrestling/pub brawling/yuppy bashing events. Im sure this would be the best way to learn street fighting. Martial Art are much more profound than the obvious. You will most certainly not be able to learn how to fight within a short amount of time doing any traditional martial art. If after 5 years of taekwondo, you still cant help yourself, I doubt that JKD, wing chun or any other style would help.

stump

23-Oct-2002, 09:20 AM

If you want to learn real self defence go to a dedicated Self defence group, they're rare but they do exist. They only teach what will really work and psychological aspects to self defence with no frills. Failing that join an MMA or submission wrestling club. But the question still stands why are you fighting so much? Maybe you need to reexamine that first

big e

20-Nov-2002, 11:46 AM

try jkdc
its a mixture of alot

iolair

10-Jan-2003, 01:48 PM

If you only have time to learn one, I would say Western Boxing

If you have time to learn two, Western Boxing and Judo

If you have time to learn three, Western Boxing, Judo, and a strong kicking art. All this is just my humble opinion of course....

Stuart Rider

10-Jan-2003, 06:36 PM

Do you want to learn Real Self Defence or Street Fighting??
The two are totally different.

Tosh

10-Jan-2003, 07:04 PM

What martial art style should i join ? I tried taekwondo 5 years ( its kicks re great but no hands at all [/B]

Must have trained at WTF or poor ITF club. We use hand techiques all the time fella.

JediMasterChris

31-May-2003, 10:10 PM

Im looking for a good martial art to join FOR REAL SELF DEFENSE ( real street fighting ) - i fight a lot ( yea yea , i know its bad etc...).

If you are getting into fights alot and want the best defense then try learning some street psychology and avoidance.

JediMasterChris

31-May-2003, 10:13 PM

But I'm guessing you were wanting to know which art would be the best for physically hurting other people, and I am not going to help you. I really do hope your not just one of those people going around looking for fights.

Maximus

09-Jun-2003, 06:07 AM

I used to fight BEFORE I trained martial arts. I have not been in a fight since I started, about 3 years back. I was a competent fighter with no training, but now I REALLY dont want to fight. For one thing, your chances off being hurt in real fights are HUGE. That being said if you really want to hurt people, competition might satisfy your blood-lust without endangering your life or that of innocents. UFC, Brazillan Jujitsu or Judo are all good bets.

AgentX

17-Jun-2003, 01:24 PM

if you want self-defence and have patience to practice ,try wing chun.

movado

24-Jun-2003, 05:40 PM

well.with 5 years of tkd and desiring to be a better fighter using the ultimate system,.i'd have to say,go all out with kickboxer type training.with your tkd exp. you must make a good visual fighter.meaning that you'd look good on screen.ever think of breaking into the hk movie scene?i know those tkd students.especially the advanced ones visit seoul,korea alot.i'm sure you could hook up with some legitimate connections through all of that.
you could make some nice money without risking real injuries sustained by becomming an ultimate fighter competing in an ultimate fighting championship or in short,a ufc type contest.is this what you want?i gotta tell you man.those guys are beasts.the brazilian ju-jitsu multi trio gracie family has dominated the ufc scene for many years.it's a very proven and effective fighting system.also,the free style grappling/striking styles of ken and frank shamrock has managed to make it's own lengthy waves in this ultimate fighting world of ultimate fighting machines.i've seen my share.tank abbott,oleg taktarov,dan"the beast"severn.these guys are sheer monsters with the sole intention of literally destroying or at least seriously maiming their opposition.
i would stick to the more gentle world side of fighting which is clearly evident with tkd,karate or wing chun kung fu.this way you can feel good,get your aggressions out and improve on your own if you so wish.which will require lots of hardcore kickbox style training.this is the type of training that entails 10 -100yd wind sprints within a few minutes,hundreds of pushups,enough heavybag work to make you feel like dropping dead and yes,endurance training like roadwork(running at least 2 miles straight),or bicycling intensely for an hour straight.
this will give you true insight and what it's all about to maximize your individual potential.this kind of routine is what it takes to know if you have what it takes.it will either kill you or strengthen you as a fighter and a warrior.
so basically.if this is not ideal for you.no sweat.rejoin tkd and strike up a deal with a korean film producer.but if you still think there's another form of training that will make you great good luck in finding a steroid dealer at your local gold's gym.maybe you can become another triple h or lex luger.my point is,there is no other way around the brutality style training that it takes to become a great fighting warrior.steroids are the easier way out.that's why i added that section in there.not trying to throw any verbal jabs at ya man but honestly.i know the deal.been there done that.at least to enough extent to feel sure in these words of wisdom and advice.
it's really all up to you.prayer and meditation may help guide you in what direction you ultimately take in your persuits.cliche sounding,yes. but obvious pointers never to be overlooked.

Peaceful_John

24-Jun-2003, 06:09 PM

Originally posted by Stuart Rider
Do you want to learn Real Self Defence or Street Fighting??
The two are totally different.

I agree. If you really want to learn self-defense then something like Judo or Aikido would be great-

However, if what you are really asking is which is best for some kind of one on one NHB street fight there would be a completly different answer. There are all sorts of NHB competitions on video you could probably rent at your local video rental. Watch them and see which style looks like it would suit you best and go for that.

If you are looking for a good self defense school, and you're not looking to seriously hurt someone, I would probably try Aikido (as a matter of fact I'm about to start classes in a couple of weeks)

If you are looking at getting in to fights and "whoopin' arse" -
My advice is to read a book instead of picking fights, but i'm guessing you're not hearing that.:rolleyes:

ptcruiser

24-Jun-2003, 06:43 PM

try a kumite if you think you are good and want to fight alot.

Sonshu

26-Jun-2003, 04:00 PM

That has a great stand up skill level and there techinques do work very well or Krav Maga - military stuff - short and pretty simple!

The ground work stuff I would suggest learning so perhaps try a MMA club or Sombo/Jujitsu

SONSHU

xplasma

02-Jul-2003, 06:42 PM

Art I would choose in a street fight:

Ninpo ( Pick one of the true forms Bujinkan, Genbukan, Jininkan)
Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu
Judo
Krav Maga

I do Ninjutsu and Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu as my fighting arts and I am never been hurt on the street or in a NHB ring. I am davelled in Judo and Krav Maga, Both are great.

Arts I tried but seriously lacked in street fighting:
Kung Fu (to flashy, and too many moves to achieve the same result)
Tae Kwon Do (to much sport)
Aikido (to weak against grapplers and boxers)
Karate (to stubborn about "what if " sitautions)

PantherFist

02-Jul-2003, 09:57 PM

SACRILEGE!!!!

On a kung fu forum of all places, by an outsider.

kung fu to flashy and too many moves.

I feel a lynching coming :)

No a duel at dawn sounds better, Pistols/swords?

:woo: :D :D :D

SoKKlab

03-Jul-2003, 12:12 AM

Exactly which of the thousand or so forms of Chinese Boxing (Kung Fu) are we talking about here? Is it Dog Boxing known for its 'riding' of throws? Is it Ng Cho Kun (5 Ancestors) with it's powerful direct lines of attack? Mi Zhong (Lost path), with it's evasion, grappling and projection throws?, Bagua with it's overkill, pressure points and spinning elbow strikes? Or perhaps Pak Mei with its Crushing Lines of close range punishment? Or would it be the made up style that the man in Black Pyjamas is attempting to slag off?

I'm not even a Kung Fu stylist, but I know enough not to make daft statements on a public forum...Art of Deception anyone?

xplasma

03-Jul-2003, 01:44 PM

I have done Shaolin Kung Fu and I have a friend who does Wing Chun.

I stand by my orginial statement

I choose guns,Equlibrium style, If you haven't seen Equlibrium shame on you

SoKKlab

03-Jul-2003, 03:20 PM

It begs the question, exactly which style of 'Shaolin' Kung Fu are we talking about? There are hundreds. Lohan perhaps?

I can't believe that I'm having to defend the honour of the Kung Fusters on a Kung Fu forum, especially as I DON'T practice it.

But I can't have you making a swithing statement like the one you did above and let you get away with it, without quantifying it.
Clearly to say that all Legitimate (Ie not a new made up style) is crap, is a nonsense and plain wrong.

In the past, I have done Lau Gar, Feng Sau and Feng Yang Sau. Feng Sau taught me alot of really great stuff, including some choice Chin Na, ground fighting and escapes, rolls, get-ups, throws, holds, grappling. Lau Gar had some great kicks and sweeps. Feng Yang Sau, which is a modern 'development' taught me good all round self protection skills.

I don't even know if Feng Sau is a historically Legit system or even Lau Gar for that matter. I know that there is a famous system called Lau Gar from Southern China, but I'm not sure how much of that I actually learnt.

As I say, once you've done maybe 15 out of the thousand or so systems of kung Fu, then you'll be able to make that kind of judgement call, otherwise go back to hiding in bushes in your combat pyjamas.

Aren't Ninjas ment to be invisible?

xplasma

03-Jul-2003, 05:14 PM

First of all relax.
Second I am not saying Kung Fu is crap. I simply gave MY opinion during my martial art expirence about what is the best style in a street fight, then the reason why I thought other styles lack in this aspect.

SoKKlab

03-Jul-2003, 09:55 PM

I am totally relaxed, in fact I'm almost comatosed.

And I apologise wholeheartedly for using Irony and Sarcasm in a built up area. Ninja suit or not.

Honest it doesn't bother me whether you think Kung Fu is crap or not. As I said I don't do Kung Fu...Have done in the past, but not now, not for a long time.

As I said there are about 1000 systems of Chinese Boxing, that we call Kung Fu.

It's just that you only have experience of one supposed style of 'Shaolin' Kung Fu, which you don't mention by name, even though I asked you what it was...

And a mate who does Wing Chun...probably for about two monthes on a Thursday at the Local Presbyterian Hall with Sigung Ron, who also teaches Russian Dancing, Cake Making and Caring for your Rubber Bands...

So to make a statement like (Your words Below)

"Kung Fu (to flashy, and too many moves to achieve the same result)"

Is a bit daft, because you're not qualified to say such a thing.
You see what I am getting at here?

If you said that I did the Ming Mong Funky Monkey style of Northern Cicada Boxing for a couple of years, but I stopped because I felt that it wasn't any use in a street encounter, then fair enough, but to say all Kung Fu, just because you have experience of one dodgy style...

If I said, 'Oh I used to do Ninjitsu and it's no good for streetfighting, because it's too flashy', it would be a stupid thing to say. Whether it was opinion or not. You'd say, 'Well who taught you and where did you learn and for how long, where, when etc'.

Clearly there are some good techniques and tactics in Ninjitsu and it might help to save my bacon in a tight spot...

Talking about Sport (which is what you levelled at Taekwondo-I don't practice that either)...

Brasilian JJ is a Sport, with Rules. It's a good skill and I have trained in it myself, but it's still a Sport with rules and things that you can't do...Good skill or not.

Anyway, I'm not saying anymore because it's not my place to...As I don't practice Kung Fu, Ninjitsu, TaeKwonDo etc etc...

keef

04-Jul-2003, 08:13 AM

I have to agree with Sokklab on this one!

Wushu is flashy as it is a performing art but there are many Kung Fu arts that are not flashy!

Is Bagwa flashy...ummm dont think so.. and thats Kung Fu, the Style I practice Seven Star Praying Mantis certainly aint flashy, far from it and is particularly renouned for its effectivness not its flashyness!

SoKKlab

04-Jul-2003, 10:54 AM

Yep Seven Star Praying Mantis ain't flashy,
They like nothing better than ripping tearing, crushing splitting, stomping breaking...Collar bone Throws Anyone?

Wong Fei Hung

05-Jul-2003, 03:07 PM

If you want to learn a martial arts I would say Jeet Kune Do because JKD is to take on street fighting style since some of the other martial arts didn't work against street fighting that much since their ways are less effective.So If I were you I would pick JKD.

My other choice would be Aikido since Instead of using force avoiding action is taken and the attackers own force is used against him. I THINK this is an excellent form of self-defense.

Kombat

13-Jul-2003, 05:14 PM

I'm not going to lecture you on why you shouldn't be fighting and why a martial art will probably be a waste of time for you as it has been covered by other posts. Plus, you'll have to learn that by yourself not by us preaching to you (hopefully, you do not learn the hard way).

I agree that any martial art practiced properly with the proper training and instruction is street effective. Case in point, I witnessed my Master and two of his black belt students, who where doing security at a beer gardens during a music festival, become involved as a brawl escalated. In the end they had downed 12-14 brawlers of various sizes including some monsters (I counted 12 during the fight but the police ended up loading 14 in the wagon so I may have miscounted). My instructor didn't even have a punch laid on him and he was literally attacked by a couple of waves of multiple attackers.

It was a truly amazing thing to witness and the speed they ended the fights with was nothing short of astounding. Even the police officers were in awe. The martial art used...Hapkido.

Obviously, they all work if trained in properly.

Good luck in finding something that suites you.

Kombat

Sub zero

16-Jul-2003, 10:45 PM

Originally posted by SoKKlab
Yep Seven Star Praying Mantis ain't flashy,
They like nothing better than ripping tearing, crushing splitting, stomping breaking...Collar bone Throws Anyone?

Now b4 i start this this is not in ne way a dig at tae kwon do.I did it for a while.(I pracitce lau gar btw)When i was at a tournemnet i heard the tkd students infront of me.They were making fun of a move that a kung fu student did in the forms section.
T o then it looked it "flowery" or "flashy".What they didn't understand was that it was a clawing moved designed to put ur fingers under the attackers eyeballs.The for was (kay buan sau fa btw)

So while i agree with you.I think that alot of martial arts that don't employ many grabs,claws,locking etc.These moves might look inapropriate to them.

And to the person who started this thread.If u r looking to lern how to still fight alot and win more.Then martial arts are not for you.If however you want to learn alot about urself,otherpoepl and in the process learn how to fight better and want ot fight to less.Then martial arts is for u.Not to lecture u.BUt hey.

P.S.(I believe that the behaviour of the tkd students mentioned reflected only there own lack of erm..respect and certainly not tkd as a whole.)

AkaNavy107

17-Jul-2003, 09:53 PM

Dude, look the really reason for Martial arts has never been so that the students will kick random peoples asses, it's been about defending yourself if someone else wants to kick yours.... If all your looking for is just to fight you're going to be a real pain in the butt to teach

Sub zero

17-Jul-2003, 11:24 PM

Completly concured.

headstock

19-Jul-2003, 12:39 AM

I practise Wing Chun (primarily) and Tae Kwon Do. I admit i haven't done either for very long.

To say wing chun is showy is a big mistake, wing chun is a system that instead of being added to has been stripped down to be as simple and effective as possible.
It consists of three bare hand forms each with its own basic purpose. There are simple concepts like the centreline theory, power in triangulation, economy of motion etc, these are all concepts that if considered outside wing chun would make a lot of practical sense. Showy?! Bruce Lee developed JKD partly because wing chun would look crap in movies, its not showy enough! I love wing chun for its simplicity and effectiveness.

another reason why i love wing chun is chi sau! Its fairly unique, although similar to push hands in Tai Chi. It develops relaxation, sensitivity, reaction and its almost like a game of chess, must be experienced to be fully appreciated.

TKD is a martial art but it is often taught and treated as a sport, i think a martial art becomes a sport once too many rules are introduced into training, i.e. no kicking below belt, no strikes to back etc, not exactly simulating a street fight. but the fitness, flexability and confidence training is what makes tkd worth working hard at. The hand techniques are many in number unlike wing chun but not as simple and sophisticated, in my humble opinion.

I think that everyone has a martial art that would best suit them, some people may not have the patience for wing chun or tai chi etc and it would be wasted on them whereas they could really take to the physical sporty types of martial arts and they may gain more from that.

Sub zero

19-Jul-2003, 11:06 PM

Originally posted by headstock
I practise Wing Chun (primarily) and Tae Kwon Do. I admit i haven't done either for very long.

Bruce Lee developed JKD partly because wing chun would look crap in movies, its not showy enough!

another reason why i love wing chun is chi sau! Its fairly unique, although similar to push hands in Tai Chi. It develops relaxation, sensitivity, reaction and its almost like a game of chess, must be experienced to be fully appreciated.

The hand techniques are many in number unlike wing chun but not as simple and sophisticated, in my humble opinion.

I was always told that JKD was very different form what Bruce lee did on screen.Don't know casue i've never trained in JKD myself.Ne body know?I'm probably wrong.

We do che sau or "sticky hands" in lau gar.Did u employ legs aswell when doing it?That's fun:D And (not intended to sound weird) with a blindfold?

I take it u were talking about TKD and not wing chun.Or id this a different style of TKD?

Also i've always wondered.Is Ving Tsun the same style as Wing chun?Is it just a difference in pronouneation/spelling?

Sweeet

28-Aug-2003, 07:12 AM

I was always told that JKD was very different form what Bruce lee did on screen.Don't know casue i've never trained in JKD myself.Ne body know?I'm probably wrong.

To my knowledge, Jeet Kune Do is more of a 'philosophy of martial arts' than a martial art in and of itself. The whole premise of JKD is to an extent to reject 'styles' so calling it a style is to say the least, a bit contradictory.

JKD is the art of 'making your own martial art' - incorporating everything useful, rejecting what's not. Traditionally, it is 'based' in Kung Fu - what Bruce trained in originally, but certainly not limited to that. Bruce also expanded before he died to include training in a number of other arts, especially FMA. What you'll do in a particular JKD school, therefore, is fairly variable. But you can be sure that it will be well rounded, diverse, and if nothing else - open minded! That's the whole 'point' of JKD :)

Mu4D'D1b

02-Sep-2003, 03:03 AM

Hi, first i would like to say that i'm new on this forum so i salute everyone

To reply at the main topic, im practising Fang Shen Do Kung-Fu since 1 1/2 year from now and i can say that this kind of Kung-Fu is the most agressive and effective ever saw.

It teach you the most effectives techniques for today's society in all ranges of combat. You'll saw grapling, punching, deviations, trapping(one of the rare system to teach it), kicking, knees, elbows, head buts, psycological range and the double blast technique wich is amazingly violent in application... Im pretty sure that no other martial arts can deal with this.

Its an improvement of JKD did by Sijo Patenaude, there is no rule, a lot of training, you'll develop your intensity(internal beast) and its a way of life that will bring you a lot of benefits.

You can go see on the website www.fangshendo.com :woo:

Ghandi

02-Sep-2003, 01:11 PM

JKD is not a martial art as such. It is as said earlier a philosophy it was devloped by Bruce Lee because the other styles didnt work, they were too rigid so JKD isnt a style its a mixture and calling it JKD actually defeats the point since it classifys it as a style :)

Andy Murray

03-Sep-2003, 11:54 AM

Originally posted by headstock
Bruce Lee developed JKD partly because wing chun would look crap in movies, its not showy enough!

Was that the sound of someone turning in their grave? :D

cmaauk

03-Sep-2003, 12:34 PM

Hi Guys,

Try the Self Defence Federation headed by Dave Turton. No flashy moves just practical "closing down" techniques.
I have trained with Dave and i have to say i was impressed.

He trained Geoff Thompson, and you don't get much more real than that.

www.selfdefencefederation.co.uk

pest

08-Sep-2003, 05:07 PM

hi, im pretty new to martial arts and very new to this form, please forgive me if i have a novice outlook on thing.....with that said here is my oppinion.

it dosnt matter what style you study, its how you apply the principals and concepts that are taught, intent is the key. for example taking a simple punch out of the basic of all forms or kata from the style you study and applyed to some ones throat can send an opponent to the hospital. thats a very simple example there are other factors aswell such as what if they block or if they get the first hit ect... but it still comes down to with just that simple punch what are you going to do with it.

like i said im very new, if anyone else has anything to add or can share there knowledge with me it would be appreciated. :D

Deadfish

18-Sep-2003, 02:14 AM

I think the original question was what is the best martial art to join. Seeing as how we are in the Kung Fu section, I will mention that serveral of the more traditional Kung Fu forms fall into were they were developed. Those that come from Northern China; were the footing is good, the winters are cold, and there is a lot of space to move around emphisize a lot of kicking and bigger sweaping movements. Those developed in Southern China; a warm, muddy place emphasize lower stances and more hand fighting. For the most part when chosing a martial art you have consider what type of a person you are and what you will use it for. Southern styles are good for people with shorter legs and a more stout body mass. Northern styles work well with taller people in general. Along with this idea of physicallity, you should ask yourself what kind of abuse you are willing to take while sparring, and (this is very important) be honest with yourself. If you have a smaller frame I would recomend Wing Chun. If you like to play ruff I would suggest something like Hung Gar. Or if you want to go outside of the Kung Fu spectrum Karate is always a good way to go. Some of the Karate styles teach different principles than Kung Fu. For instance a lot of the stances are not as low traditional Kung Fu and some schools believe in the idea of intercepting a punch or kick rather than deflecting.
As for the question of what martial arts have a good potential of being effective in self defense, I think amoung the top five or so Wing Chun, Hung Gar, and Choy Li Fut or a similair shaolin style have proven themselves very effective. Why? During the Social revolution in China many great martial artists and other holy people fled to Hong Kong and continued to teach their styles, and religions. There was a lot of pride in these individual styles, and because of this gangs from different parts of China fought on the streets and back alley's of Hong Kong. The main styles that survived and proved themselves effective were the three that I mentioned above.
Unlike most people on this site, I would not recommend JKD as the main martial art to learn. JKD had but one true master, Bruce Lee. The principles he taught were very good and should not be ignored, but finding a JKD teacher who truely knows the system would be difficult as it has not been in practice for very long. That is compared to the many centuries the Shaolin styles have been practiced and perfected. This is why I myself shy away from learning the newer systems. It seems to me that there is probably a very good reason that the older ones survived.
Now, this has been a very long post but I've got one more important thing to say. Martial Arts are indeed about more than fighting. For the Shaolin they were a way of life. I think that any martial artist who only know external martial arts is incomplete without knowing the internal arts as well. Tai Chi and Qigong may not be the most apparent of martial arts but practicing these systems will help to build upon and complete your other martial arts training. In addition they will make you a healthier person overall. Anyone who could ignore the importance of physical, mental and spiritual health would be a fool indeed.

InTazity

10-Nov-2003, 10:43 PM

Originally posted by Sub zero
I was always told that JKD was very different form what Bruce lee did on screen.Don't know casue i've never trained in JKD myself.Ne body know?I'm probably wrong.

There's also one important thing we can't avoid. There's a difference between learning JKD in some school and learning from the master. What makes Bruce Lee so different was his intensity. Not the Art or the "non-art" he practiced. He could have learned knitting or gardening and still be a well known legend just because of the intensity he put in his training.

Which bring me to this. I believe there might be some martial arts that are better than other, but it's nothing compare to how devoted to your training you are

af_sting

18-Nov-2003, 09:01 PM

Look for a school you enjoy or that motivates you. If you have any misgiving or second thoughts then by all means, don't join. I once went to a school (which will remain unnamed) in Baltimore. The head instructor was great, but his floor instructors sucked and I knew it, but I thought I'd give it a chance. I should have went with my instincts because the relationship did not end nicely.

-Ray

Syd

19-Nov-2003, 06:39 AM

It's got to be Caligraphy, watch them brushes go!

RobP

19-Nov-2003, 08:39 AM

I'd recommend going Russian. Combat Sombo, Systema. Everything you need in one place, all of them actually tested and still being used by professionals. No forms, they don't take 10 years to learn adn they are backed up by a lot of good exercise and health training.

Ninestep

19-Nov-2003, 03:37 PM

I think Eddie's post sums it up, either that or you could always prospect for a local chapter, you'll soon learn how to play not nicely with the other kids. Of course, this would involve rather a lot of your time and may land you in all sorts of trouble, and you will need a penchant for choppers, and I don't mean helicopters, sharp kitchen instruments or parts of the male anatomy.
On the other hand, and possibly slightly more sensibly as iolar alludes, sign up at a boxing gym.

Sokklab, may I ask who you studied Feng Sau with?

Qc_Sylvanio

19-Nov-2003, 03:45 PM

Street Fight .. try out Fang Shen Do (Modern Wing Chung) .. or Wing Chung :)

PunkInDrublic

18-Feb-2004, 10:09 PM

Street Fight .. try out Fang Shen Do (Modern Wing Chung) .. or Wing Chung :)

im totaly with you, if u want to learn how to defend yourself in any situaiton fang shen do is the style for you...

Kenpo Kicker

18-Feb-2004, 10:22 PM

kenpo for being street oriented and a well rounded fighting system. It also depends on a school a street oriented mma school could be better never know. It matters how you train and that is between you and the school. Train hard fight hard. Wing chun lacks grappling so I wouldn't recommend that as number 1. I never took it so that is the only flaw I can say about it.

PunkInDrublic

18-Feb-2004, 10:39 PM

Kenpo Kicker

19-Feb-2004, 01:57 AM

Because I have owned a wc guy in grappling. There is no grappling in your wc system either. If you all add some grappling in your system then it should work fine. That would not be pure wc though it would be cross-trained wc. Tkd suffers from the same thing. I take tkd and know some jj/judo. My instructor is adding a jj teacher since it is important to learn ground fighting. I saw those two wc "grand masters" (they both sucked at fighting, so I doubt they are considered legit wc guys) grapple too and they just plan sucked at it. My other wc friend took jj becuase it lacked grappling. Infact he actually converted to mma. I am not sure if he still does wc. I havn't called him in awhile.

Tattooed Bear

19-Feb-2004, 08:00 AM

To all of you who think there is a difference between the two, you probably grew up in a nice area. If you're from the hood, they're one and the same. If you have to fight gangster punks on the way to the corner store to get some milk for your mom, because you don't want to be in a gang but would rather just do good in school, where you also have to fight punks everyday, then what's the difference?

You can train in your arts all you want, with as much intensity as you can muster, but I bet a good streetfighter will knock you out and stomp on your face if you don't train for exactly that situation.

And to all of you who think fighting is bad and not the point of martial arts-B.S.!!! Martial arts would be a bunch of meaningless movements if they weren't tried and tested in battle. Well actually, that's what most schools I've seen are, meeningless movements. Did Myamoto Musashi become the best swordsman he could be by not fighting?

CKava

19-Feb-2004, 03:29 PM

response to how do you know there is no grappling in Wing Chun if you havent trained in it? Because I have owned a wc guy in grappling...I saw those two wc "grand masters" (they both sucked at fighting, so I doubt they are considered legit wc guys) grapple too and they just plan sucked at it. Okay, so you have a friend who probably dabbled in Wing Chun for a couple of months maybe even a couple of years and because you could 'own' him in grappling, therefore ALL those practing Wing Chun have inferior grappling skills or alternatively do not know how to handle a grappler.

Hmmm... Just a suggestion but maybe basing your entire knowledge (or lack of) on a style based on your experience with one single person isnt that great of an idea. Heck, maybe even practcing with more than two might be a good idea! As for the 'grandmasters' comment- what grandmasters? names? and where did you see them fight? and also if you yourself say you "doubt they are considered legit wc guys" why are you basing your assumptions about Wing Chun on them???

Arrgh, perhaps if you had practiced with more than one person, maybe with someone from a different club or perhaps with someone with more experience (etc.) you might have found out that the lack of grappling in Wing Chun IS addressed by many clubs who either then train in grappling or more commonly train in anti-grappling (i.e. how to prevent/defend against grappling). Making broad generalisations about deficiences in other styles is fine if its based on actual experience but I dont think messing around with one mate who did Wing Chun quite qualifies you to judge the whole system. Go grapple with a few instructors and see how you fare, then if you 'own' them all I'll print out this post and eat it, hows that? :D

On a side note can anyone give anymore info on Fang Shen Do? Ive never heard of it but would certainly like to hear more...

Unforgiven

19-Feb-2004, 07:38 PM

On a side note can anyone give anymore info on Fang Shen Do? Ive never heard of it but would certainly like to hear more...[/QUOTE]

Fang Shen Do Translated To English means (The Way Of Survival)

the FSD = Function Simple Direct. many ppl seem to think its a form of monder wing chung, but in the last 15 years the system has changed alot...

the punching and footworks are taken mainly from boxing..
the kicks you will learn are seen in jkd and some basic tkd kicks...
the wepons range goes from bow staff, nunchaku, blade, kali, sword, 2 handed swords, 2 blades , 2 swords, tonfau, bullwip, ect....
psycological range will be simular to the tao of jkd its an in depet look at how to act in a fight, when to blink when to move, when to react, stuff like that...
the grappling in the system is a mix of ju-jitsu and submission pit fighting..

any more info you can go look on there web site

http://www.fangshendo.com/