Jeet Kun Do patterns

[Jackie Li]

I'm not really sure but is it true that Jeet Kun Do has no patterns? And does it have any weapons? Also, would it be effective and a real situation?:confused:

[Topher]

In JKD you make up your own style, there are no set forms, techniques...etc. Your JKD would be a mix of Karate, Kung Fu and Judo, or Aikido, Wrestling and Jujitsu...

[BryanX]

Jeet Kune Do doesn't have patternized movements or rehearsed routines. Instead, it's all BROKEN RYTHM as you will learn if you watch 'Bruce Lee: A Warrior's Journey'.

[Yama Tombo]

What those two said......

[Greg-VT]

Do you three even study JKD?

[BryanX]

Originally posted by Ving Tsun
Do you three even study JKD?

Not physically, but for me it's the philosophy/concepts that I have mostly learned.

Why do you ask, if you don't mind me asking?

[AndyD]

I think he's suggesting that you were wrong in what you said.

"Jeet Kune Do doesn't have patternized movements or rehearsed routines. Instead, it's all BROKEN RYTHM as you will learn if you watch 'Bruce Lee: A Warrior's Journey'."

Bruce was against GETTING STUCK in patterns. For example, Bruce practiced Sil Lim Tao (a wing chun form) every day. Also, to learn broken rhythm you have to first learn rhythm.

"In JKD you make up your own style, there are no set forms, techniques...etc. Your JKD would be a mix of Karate, Kung Fu and Judo, or Aikido, Wrestling and Jujitsu..."

JKD is not a mix of martial arts - although the same principles exist in nearly all martial arts. To imply that JKD is simply taking a bit from here and there is missing the point completely.

[morphus]

Uh oh...runs & hides under a table - where are the JKD guys? (calls off to one side) emmm... Yoda, could you just pop in for a mo' & have a word?

[dustIn credible]

JKD is more of a philosophy than a fighting style.....its water....flows and can change direction...it involves fients, drawing, stop hits, and leads. Read Tao of Jeet Kune Do to understand more fully.

In a nutshell, take what works and use it. Conform without conforming.

[Greg-VT]

Originally posted by morphus
emmm... Yoda, could you just pop in for a mo' & have a word?

please

[Ad McG]

Look, it's BryanX with his amazing knowledge of Bruce Lee again...


Or not. You totally misunderstand the concept of broken rhythm.

[YODA]

Originally posted by morphus
Uh oh...runs & hides under a table - where are the JKD guys? (calls off to one side) emmm... Yoda, could you just pop in for a mo' & have a word?


Sorry guys - I'm just about done with arguing what JKD is or is not with people who don't actually train in it or it's lineage. I really can't be bothered.

[Greg-VT]

Ok, fair enough.


Guys, check out this thread here (http://www.martialartsplanet.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1779) with an open mind and read what the disscusion has come to.

[Sun Hwang]

Bruce Lee did not invent a new style by inventing Jeet Kune do. He invented a new way of combat. 'Having no way as way, no limitation as limitation'. This means that there are no set patterns because having set patterns would mean interrupting the flow of combat to use one of those set patterns. In JKD fighting should be almost an unconscious act. You shouldn't have to think about what to do next. That's all I'm going to say on JKD for now.

[Tireces]

Originally posted by YODA
Sorry guys - I'm just about done with arguing what JKD is or is not with people who don't actually train in it or it's lineage. I really can't be bothered.

You may not, but I'm still rearing to leap into the fray! RAR!

Originally posted by Homer J Simpson
In JKD you make up your own style, there are no set forms, techniques...etc. Your JKD would be a mix of Karate, Kung Fu and Judo, or Aikido, Wrestling and Jujitsu...

No, its not just randomly mixing martial arts. You silly folks. So silly.

[Sun Hwang]

Right, JKD is not simply knowing all styles and doing what fits best. In fact, bruce prefered if you had no previous training, that way you're impartial to any technique. JKD is 'a way toward personal liberation'. It is finding yourself via martial arts. Although kicking and punching other people is one of the many uses of it, those kicks and punches should really be redirected toward yourself, chipping away at lust, desire, greed, hate. Like a statue. Instead of adding each day, you're cutting down to reveal your true self. No walls, no self image, just you. No set pattern can give you that kind of Self awareness.

[BryanX]

Originally posted by Adam McGuigan
Look, it's BryanX with his amazing knowledge of Bruce Lee again...

I'll take that as compliment.

You totally misunderstand the concept of broken rhythm.

I "totally" misunderstood the concept of BROKEN RYTHM???

How so? It's not like I went into details about it. My paragraph had no less than 3 lines. What the hell are you talking about?!:confused:

Besides, I learned that from 'A Warrior's Journey'. I don't know if you've seen it, but it's in there.

There are other people on this thread that agreed with me. So, where's YOUR contribution to this topic? Really, I'd like to read your views on this if you are interested in debating.

[Greg-VT]

Originally posted by BryanX
Besides, I learned that from 'A Warrior's Journey'. I don't know if you've seen it, but it's in there.

How about you learn it from real JKD school?

And yes, I have seen Warrior's Journey. I own it on DVD. It is not an instuction video on JKD. It bearly covers JKD, So I don't understand how you could get the concept of broken rhythm from it.

There are other people on this thread that agreed with me.[/B]

Yes it's a shame. I'd be supprised if they actually studied JKD instead of watching a Bruce Lee documentry or reading TOJKD. :D

[BryanX]

Originally posted by Ving Tsun
How about you learn it from real JKD school?

And yes, I have seen Warrior's Journey. I own it on DVD. It is not an instuction video on JKD.

Yes, I know it's not an instruction video of JKD. Don't try to twist my words around. I don't really have to go to a JKD school and study JKD in order for me to come in this Message Board and spew out a few JKD facts here and there. I'm not gonna lie to you. I may not know JKD in the physical way(training), but since I don't, then I mostly understand the philosophical side of it, if that's ok with you since you seem to have so much beef with me just because I don't actually train in JKD.[/quote]

Yes it's a shame. I'd be supprised if they actually studied JKD instead of watching a Bruce Lee documentry or reading TOJKD. :D [/B]

Why don't you go ask them then? Simple.

[Greg-VT]

Sorry, I have no beef with you.

IF you read through the past JKD threads, you will see some reasoning to some people attitudes.

[dustIn credible]

here comes the "why dont you join a school and learn real Jeet Kune Do" argument again


blah blah blah

[Tireces]

Yes, everyone knows JKD is just reading the tao and training in a bunch of different martial arts! C'mon, what are you guys thinking?

[fallout]

why is it that every single JKD thread turns into a what JKD is, what JKD is not argument? I wonder what Bruce Lee would think of this.

[Cain]

why is it that every single JKD thread turns into a what JKD is, what JKD is not argument? I wonder what Bruce Lee would think of this.

Bruce would say - Sheesh! :rolleyes:

Look at the past threads, I assure you you will find everything you want to know about JKD, a lot more clearer that Tao of jeet kuno do or warrior's journey IMO ;)

|Cain|

[Cain]

Just saw the first post in the forum - I earned a sticky :D

|Cain|

[Tireces]

Originally posted by fallout
why is it that every single JKD thread turns into a what JKD is, what JKD is not argument?

Because someone always has to assert their smartness by interjecting and saying that JKD is just something you read in a book, and that its just cross training. Hence why this forum is rarely used. Someone tries to say something and then here comes the "OMFG JKD IS NOT A STYLE NOOB!!!11" people.

[fallout]

yeah good point, its gets a bit boring after a while, I would prefer it if you did not have to be cautious about anything you post in this section in an attempt to avoid another debate.

[Tireces]

Anyways, steering things back on track, no, you'll not find any forms or katas, at least not on a base Jun Fan curriculum. The closest thing you get to set patterns are combinations youre trained to do on pads, and common trapping combinations. But youre really trained to be able to mix them up however you please, so theyre not really set or defined. Though the original art itself doesn't stress any weapons (that I know of), you'll find it quite common amongst schools to have classes in filipino weapon fighting, as well as making use of some silat takedowns, and often some kind of classes devoted to groundfighting (usually gracie jiu-jitsu).

[BryanX]

Originally posted by fallout
why is it that every single JKD thread turns into a what JKD is, what JKD is not argument? I wonder what Bruce Lee would think of this.

He would say, "It's just a name. Please don't fuss over it.".:D

[Topher]

Originally posted by Tireces
No, its not just randomly mixing martial arts. You silly folks. So silly.

Well, I wasn’t implying that it was. For fighting to become natural and subconscious without having to think you need to make use techniques that work for you. For me, some of these techniques may originate from Hapkido for example. Whereas it might be Wrestling or Boxing for someone else.

Everyone has there own limitations and strenghts and JKD in adapted around these. In theory, no to JKD 'styles' or practitioners should be the same.

[Adam]

It appears that people are more concerned with discussing JKD than actually doing it. And BryanX, you're one of the people who fuss the most.

Bruce Lee must be spinning in his grave so quickly the coffin must have reached the center of the earth from pure friction heat by now.

[Topher]

I very much will practice JKD, but i would first like to gain experiance in various other martial arts first. I just currently trying to read into the concepts and ideas of JKD

[fallout]

you know I honestly dont think that JKD is supposed to be this complicated, to the extent that there are countless threads on this site debating it, IMO, everyone will have a different slant upon it, and can people be right or wrong about it?

[Topher]

Am i right in thinking that because JKD is diffrent for everyone, there opinions will be diffrent. I dosent mean the wrong.

[Greg-VT]

You don't need experience in other styles to practice JKD, Homer.

[punong_guro]

kudo's to AndyD hit the nail on the head alow me to add to andy's comment by saying that one must also have a solid foundation to draw from and when choseing wich martial arts to add to your personal arsenal they should blend harmoniously as in say kali wich gives centerline and wing chun wich guards centerline both are completely differnt in approach yet when joined add a great mix to the arsenal the result is the embodyment of the princaple of the yin and yang and one should always remember the words of bruce lee"no style or system is more important than the individual"make it your own and forget about the name

[Topher]

one should always remember the words of bruce lee"no style or system is more important than the individual"make it your own and forget about the name

The 3 styles i think will best suite me and wanna study are TSD, Hapkido and Kung Fu. This will be my own individual system, i couldn't careless about naming it. I will though follow some of the ideas and concepts from JKD.

[punong_guro]

homer wrote"The 3 styles i think will best suite me and wanna study are TSD, Hapkido and Kung Fu. This will be my own individual system, i couldn't careless about naming it. I will though follow some of the ideas and concepts from JKD." please refer back to my prior posting where i stated" one must also have a solid foundation to draw from and when choseing wich martial arts to add to your personal arsenal they should blend harmoniously"

[punong_guro]

also one wants to remeber what bruce said about a artist chiping away till the sculpter is revealed a martial artist does not ADD to till you get this big blob he chips away till the true essence is revealed

[BryanX]

Originally posted by Adam
It appears that people are more concerned with discussing JKD than actually doing it. And BryanX, you're one of the people who fuss the most.

Bruce Lee must be spinning in his grave so quickly the coffin must have reached the center of the earth from pure friction heat by now.

Funny...:rolleyes:

Adam, go eat a cookie.

[YODA]

Originally posted by punong_guro
also one wants to remeber what bruce said about a artist chiping away till the sculpter is revealed a martial artist does not ADD to till you get this big blob he chips away till the true essence is revealed


Yes - but one must start off with much clay! It can take 10 years or more to get enough clay to start chipping away at -and it may at some stage be neccessary to add more in places where you made a mistake and chipped away too much :D

[pgm316]

True Master Yoda, a lot of JKD debates don't seem to appreciate you need something to chip at........

Maybe Bruce meant you had to be a martial artist to begin chipping away?

[punong_guro]

pgm316 wrote"Maybe Bruce meant you had to be a martial artist to begin chipping away?" or maybe it means as i stated earlier you must have a solid foundation and an "arsenal"to begin with

[Sun Hwang]

Without a foundation the castle crumbles.

[Andy Murray]

Originally posted by YODA
and it may at some stage be neccessary to add more in places where you made a mistake and chipped away too much :D

Ooh, * stores quote away and passes it onto mates to be used against Yoda later in appropriate circumstances. :D

[YODA]

Originally posted by Andy Murray
Ooh, * stores quote away and passes it onto mates to be used against Yoda later in appropriate circumstances. :D


ROFLMAO :D

[pgm316]

Originally posted by punong_guro
pgm316 wrote"Maybe Bruce meant you had to be a martial artist to begin chipping away?" or maybe it means as i stated earlier you must have a solid foundation and an "arsenal"to begin with

Yes, it could be one or the other! :D

[LS]

wow . .these kinds of threads blow me away. ... for my spin on it.. it seems that people are debating the necessity of actually training.. but let me say this .. when you start training it under a QUALIFIED instructor , and stay committed .. your views of jKD will change , at the same time you'll gain a MUCH greater understanding of the principles laid out by bruce

[YODA]

Originally posted by JKD-SD619
wow . .these kinds of threads blow me away. ... for my spin on it.. it seems that people are debating the necessity of actually training.. but let me say this .. when you start training it under a QUALIFIED instructor , and stay committed .. your views of jKD will change , at the same time you'll gain a MUCH greater understanding of the principles laid out by bruce


VERY well said my friend :D

[Cain]

Originally posted by pgm316
Yes, it could be one or the other! :D

PGM, I really dunno how you did'nt bag the most sarastic member ;)

|Cain|

[pgm316]

Originally posted by Cain
PGM, I really dunno how you did'nt bag the most sarastic member ;)

|Cain|

I'm not sarcastic, I'm only in this thread because I know more about JKD than Bruce did!

:D

[Cain]

ROFL! :p

|Cain|

[YODA]

Originally posted by pgm316
I'm not sarcastic, I'm only in this thread because I know more about JKD than Bruce did!

:D


You and the rest of the forum it seems :D

[Ronin807]

Let's remember that the concept of JKD doesn't only apply to Martial Arts, and for most people it won't at all anyway. JKD is a form of expression, in particular Bruce's way of expressing himself. The same concepts can be applied to whatever you do in daily life. Be it through martial arts or how you arrange your house, how you do your job. Whatever JKD is for you should permeate into whatever you do. Express yourself, and who you are without concious effort, without being molded by whatever situations you find yourself in, but to flow through that situation and through that flexibilty shape the situation to fit you and who you truly are.

[Ronin807]

Sorry I didn't mean to stumble across and then start to kick the dead horse