Question? What is everyones' opinion on UFC?

[neo_opt]

UFC

Ultimate Fighting Championship

The most brutal sport Ive ever seen and actually like
you put two guys inside an Octagon and they kick the tar out of each other and beat them into submission.

You do have to admit that these guys have real talent and have had to work there butts off to be able to compete at this level.

Plese give me imput on what you think!

neo

[Adam]

It can be amusing to watch, however I don't like the hitting people on the ground rule (not very sporting), I don't like the no-headbutting rule and they also have a tendency to become somewhat tedious to the casual observer with all the laying-on-top-of-one-another-like-mating-seals stuff. I've seen some very entertaining and enlightening UFC fights though.

[neo_opt]

Yeah some of the fights are really good and I will admit some do look like mating seals.

They do spend to much time on the mat. I really wish they would allow headbutting though.

[Poop-Loops]

I've seen a couple fights. Most of them ended up with the big guy being on top of the little guy and pounding on him.

PL

[stump]

Poop Loops, check out Butterbean V Genki Sudo...

The UFC started out as an experiment and developed into a pretty good VT format. There are practically no single style fighters in the octagon anymore...those that are get punished.

It's getting a bit too much like WWE though in it's presentation...personally I prefer Pride or the local UK shows.

But total respect for the guys that get in there.....Vale Tudo and the UFC is without doubt the most exciting form of combat sport.

Adam how can you reconsile not liking them punching each other on the ground and then not like the idea that they don;t have headbutts?

[quartermaster]

i have only seen 2 matches and i dont intend to watch it again. i'll assume these matches were bad examples of the "brutal" "skill" you people speak of. they looked like mating rituals rather than fights. no real grapples, hardly any blows

[Kwajman]

It is supposed to be no holds barred I thought. But then the states got involved and don't they have lots of rules now? While they are some pretty awesome physical specimens, don't they seem like one step up from a street brawl? I mean whats the purpose of it. Just curious.

[Combatant]

I have about 5 dvds. Cannot get enough of it. I only wish I could find somewhere convenient enough to learn it. As for the ground work, even though I have never done a grappling style (read a few books though) :) I can see exactly what they are trying to go for, so I am sure they re a great educational resouce. <----- Think I could do with learning how to spell first though lol :))

[stump]

As I mentioned kwajman it started out as a style v style experiment. When they came to the conclusion you needed a good bit of everything if you wanted to win there was no need to experiment with style v style anymore.

And MMA became the way

[Adam]

Headbutts = cool and damaging, would change the entire guard game and seal-mating aspect of the fight as keeping somebody in your guard for too long would get you headbutted to death.

Ground and pound = dull to watch, against my convictions(you don't hit people lying down), fight often becomes a game of "who can sit on top of the other guy the and hit him in the face" the most. Submissions are the coolest aspect of UFC.

[stump]

Combatant : check out http://sfuk.tripod.com/sfukclublist.html

there should be something close enough for you to try

for a start check these out

www.cambridgefreefight.co.uk/

http://www.cambridgemartialarts.com/

[stump]

<<<Headbutts = cool and damaging, would change the entire guard game and seal-mating aspect of the fight as keeping somebody in your guard for too long would get you headbutted to death.>>>

Headbutts did not change fights as much as you may think. People covered up more that's true but there was no major changes. Ken shamrock headbutted Gracie for 36 minutes and did little more than give the guy a busted eye. THey took them out for aesthetic reasons....personally I'd prefer to see them still in there too

[Adam]

Really? I stand corrected :)

[Trent Tiemeyer]

UFC? Never heard of it.;)

[totality]

Originally posted by Ginger Fist
i have only seen 2 matches and i dont intend to watch it again. i'll assume these matches were bad examples of the "brutal" "skill" you people speak of. they looked like mating rituals rather than fights. no real grapples, hardly any blows

i find the use of quotes around the word skill rather offensive. i mean, aren't you a kung fu practicioner? ;)

ufc is ok, but i really prefer pride. never been a big fan of cages, i've been in a ring since i was 10 :D

[Topher]

Like to watch it, but am not really intrested in taking up MMA.

I heard Mike Tyson signed with UFC or Pride as is gonna fight Bob Sapp soon.

Can a boxer really make it in MMA?

[totality]

k1, actually, and it's a kickboxing match.

and a pure boxer would most likely not make it mma, although one who crosstrains would stand a very good chance.

[Trent Tiemeyer]

I prefer the ring also, Totality. It tends to prevent stalling.

Sometimes.

[totality]

any preference on rules, ufc vs. pride?

i'm a big chute boxe fan, and i really like the allowance of kicks to the head while your opponent is on the ground.

[Trent Tiemeyer]

I like Pride's knees to the head, and the UFC's elbows. I guess I prefer the IVC.:)

[Kwajman]

Did I have a post deleted here?

[Trent Tiemeyer]

Not that I know of. Were you naughty?

[walmart stocker]

the first ufc fights were the best......all out fighting kick boxer vs shoot fighter and like only 3 rules it was great....anyone that has not seen the first ufc bouts are really missing out...btw grappling was the art that dominated and boxers didn't last very long,though they were tough and took alot of punishment....

[BryanX]

I agree on the following:

-UFC has some limitations
-UFC is a pretty good fighting sport skill-wise

[Saz]

Originally posted by Kwajman
Did I have a post deleted here?

Nope... must have been a glitch or something.

[STASH]

Originally posted by Ginger Fist
they looked like mating rituals rather than fights. no real grapples, hardly any blows

That's more or less what real fighting looks like, except add bites, eye gouges and strikes to the testicles and throat. Generally what doesnt finish standing in the first few seconds goes to the ground.

[Combatant]

Thanks for the links Stump. I have already checked out the ones in cambridge and even have a few mates that train there but I just would not be able to make the class times and the traveling to cambridge is a bit to inconvenient for me. I am going to stick with muay thai exclusivly for another year and hopefully a good grappling based art will arrive in my area.

many thanks. :)

[marais]

here in the south africa we still have an org.that does nhb fighting and rules are simple-no bone breaks
-no kicks to the twig and berries
-no high heel shoes(he he he he )
and these super painfull bouts for a mear 10 000 rand a fight(if you lose).20 000 rand if you win.in global language you are looking at approx 1500 pounds or 2000 dollars

[kempocos]

UFC / PRIDE / K1 / KING OF THE CAGE - is more like fighting than ANY dojo sparring / point sparring match, These guys are in peak condition and that is why some matchs seem slow because both are great fighters. Often street fights have one good fighter and one victem. They saw the weak points of thier main art learned that NO one art is complete that you must seek out new areas of combat. If you stand and srtike / kick, learn to ground fight. If you are a wrestler learn to strike and kick.

No matter how hard you train in your style, chances are your fighting someone who trains just as hard in the other area of combat. Why not be prepared

[Sonshu]

Headbutts were legal in MMA and certain fighters did excel with them most notable MARK COLEMAN and MARK KERR these big wrestlers nutted there way through most people.

Anyone who is in any doubt of the experience of these fighters should try some ground work grappling as it really is an experience and a highly skilled art. It also as Stump has said rounds off towards a "more" complete fighting package. It is not the answer or missing link but a possible way of improving all our skills.

It is funny how a smaller person who is weaker can control the bigger guys on the ground - Gracies being a prime example but in this moddern day and age it is possible that if you do end up on the floor in a dispute with someone they may put you in the guard or mount and then your skills wont be so much use. It is all worth looking at and is a very skilled way for both SD and general martial arts.

The fights are closer now and the skills of people are more evenly matched and also there is the addition of more rules and weight division. For the record there were no illegal moves in early UFC just a fine if you broke the main 3 for every time you did it. Some people did a fair bit (Joe Son) for multiple groin shots.

Reason people did not bit is because these people are like us all Martial Artists and as we have skill we also have some standards and dont need to be that way.

[stump]

No problem combatant. To be honest Muay thai gives you a really good base (as ytou probably know better than me!) in 2 of the three areas important in MMA (clinch and striking). Best of luck with finding a convenient grappling club.

Have you tried sparring with your mates who do train MMA. You can learn a lot by just rolling with someone who knows a bit.



Sonshu - email me you git - we need a place to train :)

[Sonshu]

Lets get sorted.

[marais]

done one or two grappling classes myself with the braz.jiu jitsu guys.not realy my art(legs are tooooo long).but very essential to have a variety of tools in your box to fight with.so it is necesary.

but i must admit ,it works like a charm on the ground in real life but even better when play wrestlin with a girl.

[neo_opt]

I took brazi. jiu jitsu for about amonth I have the same problem my legs are way to long for it, but it would come in handy if I ever had to use it.

[Combatant]

but i must admit ,it works like a charm on the ground in real life but even better when play wrestlin with a girl.

HA HA...... I would just let her win, i'm sneaky like that. :)


Stump; I am going to be ordering an instructional DVD soon and when I do I will find someone else interested and use the DVD as a sort of tutor and sylabus. It would be great to get good at submissions and throws.

[stump]

check out the fighters handbook....I heard it's a great reference