Shurikenjitsu???

[surgingshark]

I came along this odd site (http://users.adelphia.net/~kyoshi/) and saw a ranking for "Shurikenjitsu". Does anyone else here know of this art? I haven't heard of it before. Or most of the other things on the site for that matter...

[47Ronin]

Smells a little funny............

[Grifter]

LOL Sharkey your find all kinds of funny MA stuff today arent you?? The BB certificates, Magicians Martial arts, and now this.

aside from the Shurikenjitsu Sharkey pointed out. What about Dark Dragon Ju Jitsu??

[JediMasterChris]

Shurikenjutsu is actually an art.... I beleive it is usually taught as part of ninjutsu. (mabey a ninjutsu person can help me out?)


But as far as that dojo goes.... that man looks like a white version of Mr.T gone wrong... reminds me of Pro Wrestling.

[Seito]

But as far as that dojo goes.... that man looks like a white version of Mr.T gone wrong... reminds me of Pro Wrestling. [/B][/QUOTE]

true to that


but the whole idea seems kinda nasty....Macdojo?

[Cudgel]

well from just skimming what they have to say about kenjutsu, but then again a lot of the information sems to repeat itself but using different words suggesting to me that maybe teh inforamtion was taken form other sources. Or not.

[surgingshark]

Does anyone else think the name of the dojo is a marketing nightmare?

[Sparkz2k3]

isnt a shuriken another name for throwing stars?

[Virtuous]

Kyoshi Lord Utmost and his wife Sensei Devine Love Have been teaching together with their oldest son Cassanova and Oldest Daughter Tapioca for many years.

He must be a zappa, illigetiment brother of moon unit...

On September 11th 2002 Grandmaster Zumar X Mayo returned to the essence. Kyoshi Lord Utmost Amor EL Presided over the funeral and placed his teachers ashes in an Urn to be in the Honbu shrine where he belonged to always oversee the teachings of his senior student.


Sounds kind of, uhm, strange to me.

They may be legit butI would have a HARD time taking these poeple seriously.

[Hannibal]

I've heard of "shuriken-do", and in fact I have an autobiography by a Japanese exponent (Shirikami Ikku Ken if memory serves). "Shuriken justsu" will probably be the same art. Doesn;t mean the ranking is legit though...I couldn't get into the site for some reason.

"Shuriken" refers to any throwing weapon. The correct name for "Ninja Stars" is "Shaken".

[gojuman]

This site is a branch split from the same USA Goju that I belong to ,but they have obviously created their own unique twist to things. I will have to ask my master sensei if he knows this Lord Utmost. I'm sure he does, but I'm also sure that he will think he is a little bent or worse.
Surgingshark asked:
Does anyone else think the name of the dojo is a marketing nightmare?

I have to tell you that they are not concerned with "marketing" and I respect them for that. This dojo will not appeal to every one that is for sure, but based on the lineage I can atest to the legitimacy of the style. As for the rankings. If they were promoted by Peter Urban founder of USA Goju, then they are as real as real gets. There was a time period that Urban promoted without good reason and maybe or maybe not this guy is from this period, but I can't say. I know that the Harlem Dojo is one of Urban's direct schools so chance are they are pretty solid.
Anyway I can not vouch for them I am only ginving a point of view from where I sit.

[FullContactKid]

?Maybe its the art of throwing knives?

[Zhong Kuei]

Shurikenjutsu is basically the art of throwing things. The suffix "-jutsu" in Japanese basically means "the art of", where as the suffix "-do" basically means "the way of", so either are applicable in most cases. The term shuriken is given to all things thrown in the art of shurikenjutsu. A lot of places label "throwing stars" as shuriken, but they are actually caled shaken.

[Brad Ellin]

Ummm.. interesting site to say the least. The names sound like something out of a bad RPG. And looking at the family tree, lots of big names thrown in there but then you get to "a marine named Nelson, Jujitsu"? Huh? And Devine Love? Cassanova? Sokeships?
I'm sorry, but I see this and want to run the other way. They may be legit, but just some things from the site strike me as odd, to say the least. I just can't take someone named "Lord Utmost Amor" seriously. My apologies if that is his real name... maybe a product of the 60's?

[White Raven]

Other than talk rudely of a school of which you do not know, most people on this thread have done nothing useful. My sensei, Kyoshi Lord Utmost Amor El came from the Bronx where he also had a school. Gojuman and Virtuous are the only people who have spoke anything other than opinion on this matter. The name The Deadly Dojo is simply to keep away those who would quit because the training is too hard and there is contact. I am White Raven and I represent the Deadly Dojo, as a green belt, and people should not say things if they know nothing on the subject. And also, do not make fun of the names of people you do not know, I'm sure if you met them, you would take them very seriously.

[Stolenbjorn]

Other than talk rudely of a school of which you do not know, most people on this thread have done nothing useful. They've done one useful thing: They show that if you wish to create a style/school/ order of your own, it's best to stay away from over-pompous grades, definitions etc.

While you are right in your demand to be treated with respect, you have it coming when you "sell your product" like this. My Lieutenant in the sergeant school for the Norwegian cavallery once said this:
"It doesn't help if you know that you're OK, as long as the rest of the world is convinced that you're an idiot"

After browsing fast through the link, I didn't think this school seemed much more wierd than a lot of other MA-sites (apart from the names of the people).

[White Raven]

First of all, I said most people have done nothing useful, I recognize that some have. However, people should not speak of others behind their backs. Instead they should ask people concerned a question or go try it themselves. I hope my point is now proven.

[TheCount]

I came along this odd site (http://users.adelphia.net/~kyoshi/) and saw a ranking for "Shurikenjitsu". Does anyone else here know of this art? I haven't heard of it before. Or most of the other things on the site for that matter...


Shuriken Jitsu is a branch of ninjutsu composed of dart, star and knife throwing IIRC

[Kogusoku]

Shuriken Jitsu is a branch of ninjutsu composed of dart, star and knife throwing IIRC

No, it is not a part of ninjutsu. It is a seperate skill, part of the what are classicaly called the bugei juhappan (The eighteen martial skills). It's a seperate bujutsu.

[TheCount]

My bad mate

[Stolenbjorn]

First of all, I said most people have done nothing useful, I recognize that some have. However, people should not speak of others behind their backs. Instead they should ask people concerned a question or go try it themselves. I hope my point is now proven.Hear, hear.

you are right.

Stolenbjorn who happens to have the title of "Grandfarter of Fiore di Liberi" in my fightingschool; "Fiorers Farting Pidgeons"

(I agree with you totally, I just had to allow myself a last punt :) )

[hachiman]

hi guys i'm new to this site. i was looking up my art and found your conversation. i've been training in shurikenjitsu for 7 years now. it's a very rare hybrid of ninjitsu. developed bya clan of samurai to beat the ninja at there own game back in feudal times. my sensei trained in it for nine years in kyoto.

[Lord Spooky]

hi guys i'm new to this site. i was looking up my art and found your conversation. i've been training in shurikenjitsu for 7 years now. it's a very rare hybrid of ninjitsu. developed bya clan of samurai to beat the ninja at there own game back in feudal times. my sensei trained in it for nine years in kyoto.


er as has been said Shurikenjutsu is the art of blade throwing!!!! Also the Ninja weren't the cultural opposites of the Samurai as Hollywood and other popular media would have you believe. Many Samurai studied Ninjutsu and were "Ninja" and Ninja were also Samurai :bang: :bang: :bang:

Who did your Sensei train with??? What's the background of the Ryu?

I've got friends training in Japan at the moment I'm sure I could drop one an e-mail and ask them to have a look, as I know they'd love to discover another school of Ninpo!

[SCP_Kensei]

*Gets popcorn and soda*
This is going to be fun, where's MMM when u need him?

Shuriken justu is a skill taught as partog several Kroyu Bujutsu systems and is one of the 18 skills of Togakure Ryu Ninpo Happo Hiken (Often referred to as Ninjutsu), and is taught legitimately in the x-kan lineages.

The other schools that legitimately teach shuriken jutsu are:
Tatsumi-ryu heiho
Tenshin Shoden Katori Shinto-ryu

Shurikenjustus is NEVER (just in case you missed that I said NEVER) legitiamately taught as a stand a lone art, it is ONLY legitimately taught as part of one fo the Ryu named above or as part of the x-kan lineages (as part of Togakure Ryu Ninpo Happo Hiken)

If you are training in one of the above arts. congratulations, there are very few legitimate schools for Tatsumi-ryu heiho or Tenshin Shoden Katori Shinto-ryu outside of Japan,as I dont see nay mention of "ninjutsu" qualifications on the website it must be through one of those other sources, although no qualifications in those arts are listed on the site, certainly no menkyo.

[pgsmith]

The other schools that legitimately teach shuriken jutsu are:
Tatsumi-ryu heiho
Tenshin Shoden Katori Shinto-ryu
Perhaps just a couple more than that ... Check this out! :) http://www.secrets-of-shuriken.com.au/schools.htm

[TheCount]

Shurikenjutsu If I remember is one of the combat traditions in JMA, mainly in ninjutsu and deals with thrown projectile weapons such as darts, stars etc.

[SCP_Kensei]

Perhaps just a couple more than that ... Check this out! :) http://www.secrets-of-shuriken.com.au/schools.htm

Interesting, i'd never heard of some of those, however I kept my listing to curtrently registers koryu, as referenced from koryu.com. That's not to say that the arts mentioned arent koryu, or equally vcalid sources but they arent registered as such.

[pgsmith]

Interesting, i'd never heard of some of those, however I kept my listing to curtrently registers koryu, as referenced from koryu.com. That's not to say that the arts mentioned arent koryu, or equally vcalid sources but they arent registered as such.
Ah, understand. However, koryu.com is not a registration point for koryu bujutsu. The listing that the Skosses are kind enough to put up there, are only those that they have had contact with and can personally vouch for. It is by no means a full listing of koryu ryuha. I think I remember there being a disclaimer to that effect that last time I visited their web site. The Bugei Ryuha Daijiten lists many hundreds of traditions as koryu. Quite a lot of them are still in existence. However, with today's climate of self-promotion in the Japanese martial arts, it is probably best to err on the side of caution when speaking of the koryu.

[Dave Humm]

Anyone and I'm sure I mean EVERYONE who takes their study and martial art seriously enough to spend decades learning it correctly, will have NOTHING to do with SOKE Councils. Find me a Japanese "Soke" who affiliates to the World Family Soke Council, and I don't mean an American/Japanese, I refer to indigenous Japanese.

Correct me if I'm mistaken but Goju Ryu is an Okinawan form of Karate-do correct ?

Interesting then, that Mr. Lord Utmost uses the title of "Kyoshi" a title which I'll bet a pound to a penny you won't find a single Okinawan Karate Sensei using. Additionally, isn't Kyoshi a title associated with Bushi and the study of Samurai arts and not what is classically known as a peasant form of 'te'

Those studying Goju Ryu were not of Samurai status thus, were not considered able to be “warriors” Kyoshi means “Instructor for Warrior”

I've said this before and I guess I'm saying it again, where's the worth of a traditional crisp white gi and simple obi ? It seems to me that many people let their EGO speak through the very clothes they wear, multi coloured gi with several patches/badges adorning them, black-belts have more stripes on them than a 30 year marine vet ! To me as soon as I see someone wearing black or multi-coloured Gi and bizarrely coloured belts, I just think ...

1. EGO
2. BS factor around 10

...And that’s before I've seen their ability. First impressions count with me.

Regards

[Lord Spooky]

To me as soon as I see someone wearing black or multi-coloured Gi and bizarrely coloured belts, I just think ...

1. EGO
2. BS factor around 10

...And that’s before I've seen their ability. First impressions count with me.

Regards


er hope that doesn't include us Bujinkan folks?? :D :D :D

[nickh]

it's a very rare hybrid of ninjitsu. developed bya clan of samurai to beat the ninja at there own game back in feudal times. my sensei trained in it for nine years in kyoto.


What was the name of the ryu?

[Dave Humm]

er hope that doesn't include us Bujinkan folks??For you guys, black is a standard colour yes ? so in respect of the gi the answer would of course be "no" however, wearing gold stripped (around the length of the) belts with several badges and patches on the gi its self just says to me that people don't take what they do particularly seriously yet, want to look 'flash'

Regards

[TheCount]

Some of our karate black belts have thier name in japanese in gold/yellow thread on their belt but thats hardly flashy.

[Dave Humm]

Agreed, mate.

I too have a belt with my name, dojo and style on it, my keikogi tops and hakama are embroidered with the our dojo name (all Japanese) But like I say, there's a huge difference between "Generally accepted normality" and plain out and out "stupid"

Quote:
Originally Posted by hachiman
it's a very rare hybrid of ninjitsu. developed bya clan of samurai to beat the ninja at there own game back in feudal times. my sensei trained in it for nine years in kyoto.

Quote:
Originally Posted by nickh
What was the name of the ryu?

I know that one Nick.... but I'll get flammed to hell if I mentioned the name ;)

Regards as always

[nickh]

Was it Mei Dup-ryu?

[Dave Humm]

Lmao :d

[Sukerkin]

Nickh, that's twice you've made me splutter into my lunch-time coffee and post nothing more than :lol: :tup:.