CKD Check-in

[LilBunnyRabbit]

'lo to all of the Choi students on MAP.

If you study CKD, please post here. Name, school and grade'll do, but any other details are welcome. It'd be nice to know who actually does CKD on MAP and whereabouts we all are.

To start out, I'm Jimmy B, first dan AI, training in Surrey in the UK. Used to train under Nigel Brophy, but due to time problems I'm now training under Tony Doney. Hoping (big hope) to get my full instructor's license this year.

[amiller127]

Dale Miller

Used to own Neath and Penarth CKD schools but passed them on to other instructors.

Opening the first CKD class in Bristol in Jan 04

3rd Dan and Examiner.

Trained under David Lewis 3rd Dan, Jamie Treharne 2nd Dan (Bus should have done his 3rd dan years before he left 9;-) ) and also Peter Wake 4th Dan.

Hoping to do my 4th Dan this summer...

[pookey]

Hi All,

I'm Christine from Aberdeenshire. I've just graded to Gold Belt. My Husband Alan - (the Haggishunter) and my wee boy TJ are both Orange belts. My wee girl plays at white belt (but she really wants a pink one!)

We train in Alford mostly under Debz Rafferty but also attend classes with Robin Rafferty, Violet Mackie and Brian Jay on Occassion.

TTFN

[morphus]

Name - Paul Jones
CKD School - Cardiff, WALES
Grade - Il dan, brown tag. Chief Instructor.

Started in Cardiff under instructor Jamie Treharne - top CKD'ist, one of the best in the world.

:)

[Shelltkd]

Hey, Im Michelle Simon, Green belt in CKD, trained in birmingham then moved where there were no clubs so took up TKD. Both very cool!

[captainmoomoo]

Name - Captain Moo Moo ;-)
CKD School - trained at Wembley CKD School, and then taught at Neasden CKD (UK)
Rank - 2nd Dan, Green stripe

Now am 2nd Dan WTF Taekwondo and teach at Neasden Taekwondo School

[Chris Yates]

Hello to all CKD peeps, i've just joined this site and i'd like to take this time out to write about my experiences in CKD. I started CKD just under 10 years ago in Birmingham at the age of 12 after being bullied at school. My instructor then was Mr Martin Harvey. Quickly showing that I was serious about training and the class having a distinct lack of children I trained with the adults. At 15 I was made an Assistant Instructor at the rank of brown/2 black tags. I also was part of the 1st UK demo team that went to atlanta in 1997 for the 10- year anniversary. Just before my 16th birthday I gained 1st Dan. Shortly after, the Birmingham CKD Instructors decided to be part of the Dynamic Self Defence split so I became a DSD 2nd Dan at 18. At 19 I took over the class from Martin after being awarded Chief Instructorship. About 12 months ago, after teaching for 2 years I had to take time out to concentrate on university studies and unfortunately I had no-one suitiable who could take over my class. Being a third generation UKCA student and not an instructor at the time of the DSD split I had no choice but to go with DSD and my views - pro DSD or anti DSD would not have been considered at that time.

Keeping an open mind, and not having trained for 6 months, I was itching to train, so I decided to enquire about training with the relatively new CKD school only 5 miles away from where I live. When I got there I felt it was only fair to wear my CKD 1st Dan and my Blue Demo Team suit as it would represent my rank when I left CKD. When I got there I found that an ex DSD member (who incidently was Bo-Dan and assistant instructor when he left DSD) had joined this class, I found this pleasing to a degree because his instructor had left DSD prior to that. But he was wearing a white belt.

Considering i'd been away from CKD for around 5 years I was surprised how the commands and korean came flooding back to me. I found the Instructors to be very polite and accommodating but at the same time a little 'short sighted'. After all, DSD techniques are essentially no different to CKD techniques and I was somewhat offended when they were correcting my rear inward punch! I told them exactly my story before hand and they treated me like I was a sixteen year old again. All I wanted to do was train with them so I could keep my hand in.

I was also appalled that a DSD black belt would be considered a beginner in CKD. This person has made a decision to be part of CKD, they deserve at least to be recognised as a proficient martial artist.

My point is, what if my Instructor has gone with CKD? He was Deputy Technical Officer for UKCA and the three Birmingham Instructors have always graded me. This wouldn't have been changed if they'd kept in CKD so therefore I suggest that I am the same standard as i would have been as a CKD 2nd Dan CI, and this student is the same standard as a CKD Brown Senior AI (i know there is no bo-dan anymore).

I was also told that I needed to get a new do-bok straight away and become a member there and then. They also said they needed to talk to Nigel Brophy to see if I was allowed back into CKD. All i wanted was to train, I would have thought having someone with over 9 years experience at the time was an asset to the class.

I feel there shouldnt be any bad feeling between CKD and DSD members, especially ones who had no choice because they had to travel 35 miles to the nearest CKD school.

I dont remember these instructors from my early days in CKD and they didn't seem to know who I was. If the instructors are cross-certified then that would explain this.

I do not believe the general CKD technique has changed in 5 years, the syllabus might have changed but the techniques will have not.

Feel free to correct me, and thanks for listening

Chris Yates :D

[amiller127]

Hi Chris

I think i discussed this a little with you a few months back. But im happy to do it again.

1. You are a 2nd Dan. You tested and past that grading. I cannot see any reason for you to not be able to wear that in class and I cant see any reason for you not to be allowed to cross back from DSD to CKD. You didnt have any choice in staying with CKD at the time due to your circumstances, so I cant see why you cant come back now.

2. You would need to do a conversion course to come from DSD to CKD and be aChief Instructor. The syllabus has changed and so have a few techniques since you left. But you should find it easier than others to get through this, because as you rightly say, DSD is basically an organisation teaching CKD techniques. I cannot see any reason for the AI certificate to be revoked though.

3. Could be overstepping my mark here, but you have no need to ask Mr Brophy for permission to join CKD. He is in charge of converting people over, but any CKD instructor with enough experience can do that. You can just as easily come see some of the Welsh instructors, talk to some of the London instructors etc. Or if you wanted to, you could deal with CKDMAI directly if you wanted to come back to CKD. At the end of the day all the Birmingham people have to do is contact CKDMAI directly and have you placed on their register as a student. If you really want to come back then message me and I will see what I can do.

4. There may be some bad blood between one or two instructors within DSD and CKD. But the majority of instructors these days havent got a problem with DSD students. Some CKD instructors and DSD instructors may be a bit bitter and resentfull about the split in 1997. I wasnt there so I cannot comment, but some of the seniors from both sides were not happy because of that split. That split did some serious damage to the UKCA, and took a lot of hard work to get us back on track again.

By the way. I remember Mr Harvey in the 1996 seminar with GMC. I was with my instructor Jamie Treharne and he decided it would be fun to make some sheep jokes. If i remember rightly he said we should have a sheep and not a dragon on our flag. Amazing what you can remember from years ago isnt it?

Please pass on my regards to him when you next see him or contact him. He was a great guy with a good sense of humor.

Im opening a school in Bristol very soon. Looks to be on the 19th of January. Your more than welcome to come down and train whenever you like. I can assure you that you will have a warmer welcome than you have recieved so far

Pil Sung

Dale Miller

[Chris Yates]

Again, I thank you for your generous offer, I did speak to you via e-mail after posting a comment on master p's website about roger koo. I realise that there are some Instructors who would have been more than happy to have me as a part of their class and I am glad that is the case. I just felt I should write my feelings for all to see in a neutral place so that people can judge for themselves. Essentially, I believe in the DSD's way of thought, and I stand by CKD's techniques so I would have had a very hard choice if it was mine to make. However, I am therefore stuck in between a rock and a hard place now I have given up tecahing and I face a similar dilemma.

Thanks again for your comment.

Chris

[Chris Yates]

Oh and yes, that sounds just like Martin :D

[amiller127]

Well im sure if you ever just wanted to come back to train you would be more than welcome. You wouldnt have to teach if you didnt want too!

Like i said. You would be welcome to come back at any time in my opinion.

[LilBunnyRabbit]

Keeping an open mind, and not having trained for 6 months, I was itching to train, so I decided to enquire about training with the relatively new CKD school only 5 miles away from where I live. When I got there I felt it was only fair to wear my CKD 1st Dan and my Blue Demo Team suit as it would represent my rank when I left CKD.

The first dan, yes, it is definitely your right to wear that. However the demo team suit, and not meaning to cause offense, but you are no longer part of the demo team from what you've said. If I gave up being an AI, I wouldn't expect to wear anything other than the standard white students suit. Yes, I can understand it might be annoying, but unless you are in the demo team, there's no reason for you to wear the suit.


After all, DSD techniques are essentially no different to CKD techniques and I was somewhat offended when they were correcting my rear inward punch!

If they corrected your punch, then there was a reason. Five years is a long time to be out of the art, and no matter how well you think you may remember the techniques, or how similar you may think the techniques in DSD and CKD are, if an instructor corrects you on a technique then being irritated is the worst possible response. Better would be to ask them why they want you to do it that way, but not take offense at it.

I was also told that I needed to get a new do-bok straight away and become a member there and then. They also said they needed to talk to Nigel Brophy to see if I was allowed back into CKD. All i wanted was to train, I would have thought having someone with over 9 years experience at the time was an asset to the class.

The reason that they wanted to talk to Nigel Brophy was not because they needed his 'permission' as it were, in fact you'll probably find its because the Birmingham crew are fairly new instructors, trained by Nigel, who had not encountered your situation before, and simply wanted to find out what the conversion would be.


You are a 2nd Dan. You tested and past that grading. I cannot see any reason for you to not be able to wear that in class and I cant see any reason for you not to be allowed to cross back from DSD to CKD.

That grading was under DSD, not CKD. The split was rather dramatic, and fairly bitter, and due to politics (hate it, but it exists unfortunately) any rank attained in DSD will not be recognised in CKD until it is graded for under CKD.


I do not believe the general CKD technique has changed in 5 years, the syllabus might have changed but the techniques will have not.

There have been changes, I could give you several examples offhand. Front kick is one, although the basic techniques themselves haven't changed, there are aspects in the way they are performed (and particularly how they are taught) that do differ from those done five years ago. Remember that CKD is designed as an evolving art.


This wouldn't have been changed if they'd kept in CKD so therefore I suggest that I am the same standard as i would have been as a CKD 2nd Dan CI, and this student is the same standard as a CKD Brown Senior AI (i know there is no bo-dan anymore).

Then ask for a conversion course. There are differences, and there have been changes. In fact from what I remember part of the reason for the split was that the DSD instructors disagreed with changes being introduced at the time.

Either way though, good to have you back with us. Hope to meet up with you sometime.

[Scaramouch]

If I was attending any MA class for the first time unannounced I would turn up with a white suit and a white belt (or t-shirt and trackie troos if acceptable). This would be even if it was a MA I had a BB in previously, but that I had had a number of years break from. Its a kind of unwritten law for those of us from a TMA background.

After talking to the new intructor, if they would agree to me wearing my BB fine. I know CKD allows you to convert previous BB MA grades. You are given provisional brown senior grade until you re-grade under the CKD syllabus. Those that do not wish to convert can choose to start at white belt and go through the entire belt system again, its a mater of individual choice.

The reason for asking you to join on the spot or before training might be related to you needing MA insurance cover. It can be a big issue with some clubs these days. Though most CKD schools ought to at least give you a couple of sessions grace to see if you like the class before asking. May be you put their noses out of joint by wearing your suit and belt before asking if it was OK?

[Chris Yates]

Originally posted by Scaramouch

Though most CKD schools ought to at least give you a couple of sessions grace to see if you like the class before asking. May be you put their noses out of joint by wearing your suit and belt before asking if it was OK?

Maybe this is the case now that I think about it, but I used the demo team suit because it is blue and the previous assistant instructor uniform was white with black trousers (and bottom trim for 1st dans and above). I felt it would be more like the modern way assistants look. I also would have accepted any CKD student into my class along with their appropriate grade level.


There have been changes, I could give you several examples offhand. Front kick is one, although the basic techniques themselves haven't changed, there are aspects in the way they are performed (and particularly how they are taught) that do differ from those done five years ago. Remember that CKD is designed as an evolving art.

I do not believe GMC would do anything more than tweak a few techniques after 10 years. And I have no problem with criticism, but i would have thought the first lesson would have been geared to entice me back to CKD. Remember the 2nd rule of martial arts teaching is to ensure the student knows you are giving him/her what they want.

Five years is a long time to be out of the art, and no matter how well you think you may remember the techniques, or how similar you may think the techniques in DSD and CKD are,

I know we could talk about this all year without coming to a conclusion becuase this is a double losing battle, and i'm not going to repeat myself.

I spent a good few classes in Ealing with Peter Wake just before CI meetings, if the unfortunate hadn't happened I would have been over to CKD as soon as I could because there was a man who understood how these techniques worked. His philosophy as I saw it a long while ago was that although there is a basic structure for CKD techniques, once you get past the beginner course (to 1st Dan), then things change to adapt to your own size, weight, build, height, flexibility. My point is, once you learn the techniques you have to re-learn them to really suit you. This has been my philosophy ever since.

So my answer to the quote is that maybe they shouldnt have corrected my inward punch until they saw it on a focus mitt, or a shield, or even during defence drills.

That grading was under DSD, not CKD. The split was rather dramatic, and fairly bitter, and due to politics (hate it, but it exists unfortunately) any rank attained in DSD will not be recognised in CKD until it is graded for under CKD.

but the grading was also only 12 months after the split and by three of the most senior instructors that were partof the old UKCA. Martin Harvey - 3rd Dan gained in 1996, Bob Hawkesford 3rd Dan also gained in 1996 and Peter Jagger 3rd Dan gained in 1998

In fact from what I remember part of the reason for the split was that the DSD instructors disagreed with changes being introduced at the time.

When we went to CKDMAI HQ in 1997 for the 10 years anniversry it was then suggested by Parviz Nikhoo about the rebate scheme. The instructors involved in the DSD split (again i stress I was not a part of) decided to go against this scheme when it was introduced in the UK. They also were against the extra gradings as they believed it was a ploy to make more money. They also believed that CKD should have introduced provisions for more close range work including groundwork. The split never happened because of changes in the actual TECHNIQUES.

Again, thankyou for reading.

Chris :D

[amiller127]

I spent a good few classes in Ealing with Peter Wake just before CI meetings, if the unfortunate hadn't happened I would have been over to CKD as soon as I could because there was a man who understood how these techniques worked. His philosophy as I saw it a long while ago was that although there is a basic structure for CKD techniques, once you get past the beginner course (to 1st Dan), then things change to adapt to your own size, weight, build, height, flexibility. My point is, once you learn the techniques you have to re-learn them to really suit you. This has been my philosophy ever since.


Peter was a great guy. One of the main reasons CKD is still strong in the UK after that 97 split. Got my CI and Examiner under him and he taught some great lessons. Was an inspiration and a good example of how people should be in the dojang and in life. I can honestly say, if he left with Gideon in 1997, there would be no CKD in wales right now. And if he hadnt passed away when he had we would be in a far stronger position in the UK now. Took us years to get over his death and get back up to speed in the UK.

[amiller127]

When we went to CKDMAI HQ in 1997 for the 10 years anniversry it was then suggested by Parviz Nikhoo about the rebate scheme. The instructors involved in the DSD split (again i stress I was not a part of) decided to go against this scheme when it was introduced in the UK. They also were against the extra gradings as they believed it was a ploy to make more money. They also believed that CKD should have introduced provisions for more close range work including groundwork. The split never happened because of changes in the actual TECHNIQUES.

Might be wrong here. But i remember Peter mentioning that some of the people who broke off to DSD in Birmingham werent as opposed to the changes as Gideon and Henry. And they left because they didnt feel they would get much support or somehting like that from the UKCA. Cant remember who it was though.

And as for DSD people coming back to CKD. I dont think that there is a ban on them coming over. I think that only 1 or 2 people wouldnt be welcome back. But then I cant see them ever wanting to come back either.

[amiller127]

Now all I can think about is those damn super hot BBQ chicken wings!!!

Teach me to talk about Peter wont it! :)

[LilBunnyRabbit]

Maybe this is the case now that I think about it, but I used the demo team suit because it is blue and the previous assistant instructor uniform was white with black trousers (and bottom trim for 1st dans and above). I felt it would be more like the modern way assistants look. I also would have accepted any CKD student into my class along with their appropriate grade level.

I sincerely doubt that you kept up your teaching insurance in CKD during your five year absence, though it may be the case that you did. However after five years absence returning as an assistant instructor is a little irrespectful to the instructor of the class, particualarly if you didn't speak to them beforehand.


but the grading was also only 12 months after the split and by three of the most senior instructors that were partof the old UKCA. Martin Harvey - 3rd Dan gained in 1996, Bob Hawkesford 3rd Dan also gained in 1996 and Peter Jagger 3rd Dan gained in 1998

It was still after the split. Unless they filed the paperwork for the grading with the HQ in Atlanta, there is no reason that they should recognise the qualification. Its unfortunate, but true.


And as for DSD people coming back to CKD. I dont think that there is a ban on them coming over. I think that only 1 or 2 people wouldnt be welcome back. But then I cant see them ever wanting to come back either.

Of course there isn't, they should be treated just like anyone else coming from a different style.

[Chris Yates]

I sincerely doubt that you kept up your teaching insurance in CKD during your five year absence, though it may be the case that you did. However after five years absence returning as an assistant instructor is a little irrespectful to the instructor of the class, particualarly if you didn't speak to them beforehand.

All sounds a little bit 'jobs worth' to me. The wasy I see it is that it was either no dobok, full blue CKD dobok, full black DSD dobok, or full 1998 assistant CKD dobok because all of the white trousers in our house are either in plastic bags with brand new uniforms (which incidently say DSD on them) or have an extremely large amount of shoe polish on them. For a club that (in my view quite rightly) insists full do-bok i decided for blue.

One you get a PGCE then you are a tecaher..... no-one can take that away from you (apart from the law if you are expelled from teaching for one reason or another). I was a CKD assistant, it was never revoked so I believe I have the right to wear what I thought was the most correct attire for that situation.

It was still after the split. Unless they filed the paperwork for the grading with the HQ in Atlanta, there is no reason that they should recognise the qualification. Its unfortunate, but true.

I hope that after acepting traditional martial artists into the organistaion the DSD rank should be accepted by CKD.

This for me now is a dead issue and I will not speak anymore of it. I dont want to be drawn into an argument with anyone about what suit I should wear or what grade I should be because I dont care ;).

I have now spent 5 years in each association.

Let me add fuel to the proverbial fire by now changing the topic of converstaion (if I may).

With all respect, people can say allsorts about CKD having changed in 5 years, my view will not change. DSD is CKD with extra bits to compliment the style. It has been said that GMC has made his martial art more 'health aware' and as far as I can see that is a good thing for CKD. I cannot see the techniques changing any futher than a slight extra twist here and a tuck there.

Please, somebody prove me wrong.

:D

Chris

[amiller127]

Chris

Since you have left there have been refinements to a few techniques, but nothing amazingly different. The syllabus has changed as you know, but for the better in my opinion. Other older instructors who have since left may not agree though.
But were all allowed to have different opinions arent we.

From what I can see, from the web site and talking to some DSD instructors, DSD seems to be using a CKD syllabus from 1997 or before. The techniques are pretty much the same, although you may not use all the same punches and kicks that we teach up to black belt now. What I remember of the pre 97 syllabus was there were no heel kicks, downward kicks, elbows, knees, round palm strikes and a few other techniques in the colour syllabus. They were introduced after black belt. But they are taught before black now in CKD. That and the patterns are changed and there are now about a million speed drills :D

Not something that should take you too long to learn though.

As for a point made by little bunny rabitt. The insurance is a null point. If he has a certificate in CKD as an AI, then he can get insurance through any club. The only reason for him not to be able too is if GMC had a problem with him returning. I have had AI from 10 years ago come back training in CKD with me with no probs with the states. I have also had my old instructors come back a few times. They had no problems either. In fact they were welcomed back by HQ.

Chris, if you are up front with the CKD instructors and say that you only have non regular CKD uniform or DSD one, they should have no problems with you wearing your old suit for a little while. Check out the CKD website and the Kansas Seminar. There are instructors from other arts there who joined months ago, and their pictured now with GMC in non CKD doboks. So i cant see any reason for you not to either be able to wear your old CKD, or old DSD dobok, until your status was sorted out.

And this may stir up a bit of controversy with some CKD practitioners, but i dont care really. As far as im concerend, I would rather see someone from DSD or another CKD hybrid retain their rank when they convert back to CKD than see someone who has done TKD for years come in at a high Dan rank after converting. Dont get me wrong. I have nothing against other arts converting over, but someone who has done a CKD hybrid would grasp the techniques and qould integrate into CKD far more efficiently.

Please dont anyone think that im knocking anyone from another TMA joining CKD here. My best instructors come from another art to CKD and I feel they have a lot to offer. Im just voicing an opinion that someone from a Hybrid would "Get It" a lot quicker than someone from a different style.

So if your from a CKD hybrid, it should be even easier to convert back, if you have not done anything to annoy the organisation.

Thats my opinion anyway. Im probably going to get a call from Master P at 4 am now to chastise me :D LOL

Only joking. I know he has no problem with Most DSD people coming back over. He called Catherine Hall a while back!

[amiller127]

That grading was under DSD, not CKD. The split was rather dramatic, and fairly bitter, and due to politics (hate it, but it exists unfortunately) any rank attained in DSD will not be recognised in CKD until it is graded for under CKD.



Yes, and its the same with anyone else converting over. Or it was as far as Peter Wake was concerned. You converted over, retained your rank. but you had to pass a CKD grading for that rank before you could progress. The retained rank is something of an honoury rank in my eyes, until they have trained enough and fully grasped the CKD techniques. So i would imagine, someone like Chris would not find it too hard to take and pass the testing. It would be a matter of memory and learning a few new techniques.

I know Nigel Brophy trained with the new Birmingham instructors for about a year before they were allowed to open up as CKD instructors.

:)

[Chris Yates]

I have a unique situation because as an assistant instructor all those years ago, Martin was going through the proposed new syllabus with me. It was quite a long time ago now, but this sugests that he was going to stay with CKD. In the end, obviously, he went with DSD following the rest of the Birmingham instructors. Anyway, I thank-you Dale for understanding my position and I will be in touch one way or the other.

Chris

[Chris Yates]

Something that came into my head yesterday...... I went to the wales seminar where Jamie Treharne got his 2nd Dan certificate presented to him. We then went to his house for a social gathering, it is mad what you remember.

[amiller127]

Then you probably remember the baked bean fight and jamie getting a pint of something poured over his head :-)

That was a fun day.

[Chris Yates]

yes, but we never stayed too long, about an hour :D

[bigalexe]

this refers to the main topic

Green Belt sr. as of Feb. 13, 2004
ive been training for just over 2 yrs

im 16 and go to the East China School in Michigan, U.S.

[Wynnston]

Also back to the main topic:

Tim Wynn
Westhill, Aberdeenshire
just over 2 years in CKD, Red Belt
Hoping to go for BB in October 2004 or April 2005

W

[dosandojo]

I have studied it. Marshall P. flew to LA from ATL to teach me and gave me all of the videos of GM Choi...

[nick ckd]

main topic:

Nick
Bedfordshire.
Gold Belt

[dosandojo]

Congrats on all of your recent promotions!!!!

Pil Sung!!!!!

[CKD_KID]

Hey!

Craig

Glasgow

IL DAN RED

training for 6years and im a asst instructor and member of the Scotland Choi Kwang do demo team.

[alister]

CKD Green Senior - studied for about a year and a half at East Malling School in Kent, soon to be AI.

PS - We're opening a new school in Linton, Kent, at Cornwallis School on Weds 5th May 2004. Anyone viewing these pages, living in his area, come see us from 1900hrs - you'll be most welcome!

[Stuart Rider]

I know Joe and Lorraine well.
Two very good instructors. Hope the new school goes well.

[Taliesin]

I'm another main topic sort of guy,

I seem to manage to get to Bedford / St Neots / Reading most weeks,

Hemel Hempsted / Borehamwood / anywhere else from time to time

[morphus]

Welcome to MAP, CKD members. Enjoy the whole site, not just the CKD part.

Morphus

[ripface]

My background in MA started with a Chinese Kickboxing style, Wu Shu Kwan, where I trained in Aberdeen for a couple of years, and reached the dizzy heights (not!) of blue belt.

My intructor was an Iranian called Jav Birjandi. Jav was an inspiration! He was small, wiry, unendlessly flexible and awesomely powerful. A good example of his unbelievable fighting spirit was when he was breaking bricks for his BB grading. He initially caught the edge of the brick and split his hand open. Undaunted he stepped back, composed himself, and broke the brick on the second attempt with the same injured hand. Jav was unfortunate enough to be on the Iranian 747 which went down in the mid eighties with the loss of all passengers and crew.

The school closed, and I lost touch with MA for ... oh ... about 20 years!

I got a job, got married, had kids, moved house etc. etc. etc. and when my wife informed me that a local school for MA had opened in the villiage I was interested, and felt that both my son and daughter would benefit from the discipline and fitness that MA can bring. I took them along. They liked it. I joined too and we now train together twice a week.

We are all now CKD gold belt, and I've just become an assistant instructor. I don't know if it's just our school, but I find that CKD is not JUST a martial art. We have made a lot of friends, and enjoy a good social life with our new MA 'family'. I find the training beneficial from both a general fitness perspective, and also from a boost in self confidence. I've noticed a change in the kids too. Sean regularly volunteers to 'take the stretch' at the start of class, and although my daughter Megan is less forthcoming in this respect, I feel that the discipline of the Dojan is a benefit them both.

Pil Sung!

[morphus]

No, it's not just your school, CKD is a family orientated art (not saying none others aren't) I have found most CKD schools this way. It's the personal progress rather than sports or standardisation of the students that attracts families, we're all individuals but we stick together & help each other.

[bigalexe]

No, it's not just your school, CKD is a family orientated art (not saying none others aren't) I have found most CKD schools this way. It's the personal progress rather than sports or standardisation of the students that attracts families, we're all individuals but we stick together & help each other.

tru dat morphus. my school has a few sets of siblings, and two entire families. used to have a dad and his daughter but she quit for dance :woo: . my dad is gonna join to at some point

[amiller127]

LOL

I was about to say that ive been to lots of clubs in CKD and met lots of different instructors. And one of the best people I have ever met for friendliness and inclusion is Debs Rarfferty.

She is one of the nicest, and definatly the craziest, person I have met in CKD. The ONLY person I know who has tried to organise synchonised patterns for students to perform onboard a flying 747 from Atlanta!!! And they were in sat RIGHT at the front so EVERYONE could see :)

One way to keep yourself from being board and also to avoid DVT!!

Then I looked at your sig and saw your an Alford student. When your next in class tell Mrs Rafferty that Dale Miller says hi and is wondering why she hasnt been online to chat for a while.

Hey Morphus, you remember the Peter Pan drill we did at the recent Hugh Harper training. Debs is the instructor responsible for that!! lol :)

Shes also responsible for MAKING the senior UK instructors do it in class, including Mr Harper and Mr Banfield. The woman has NO fear :cool:

[#1son]

Hi to all my fello Brothers and Sisters :)

I've only just found this site and am still getting to know how it works.

My father had done Karate (Wada Roe I think) from an early age so I've alway's been interested in MA although my interest in my first Karate club at 11/12yrs didn't last long.

I was introduced to CKD by a fello musician at my church who incidentally is ex-sas (territorial) and ex-JJ. He has since left due to family commitments.

I joined CKD Hitchin, Hertfordshire UK (the late Peter Wake 4th Dan/Karron Wake 3rd Dan old school) just over a year ago under the tuition of Simon Sparrow 3rd Dan and team.

I absolutly love it and tend to go as much as possible, often staying into the senior class for extra practise. I am Orange belt and am studying to become an AI (or other AI's are purple/brown/black belts so I feel extremely honered to be given this opertunity).

Look foward to hearing from any of you :D

[morphus]

Pil Sung sir!

Welcome to MAP. Look forward to reading your posts.

[#1son]

Pil Sung Morphus - Respect!

[Big John]

Hi All,

Time for me to come out of the proverbial closet.

My name's John (well hidden in my pseudonym, I know!), I'm 32 and I train under Pete Wood at Reading and Bracknell. I've been doing Choi for 2 years and I'm currently a green belt, though I should be a little further on but suffered a knee problem last year resulting in surgery - but I'm OK now.

I have to say that Choi is superb. Even when I am not looking forward to training, for whatever reason, I kick myself in the butt, go anyway and always come out with a smile on my face.

Pete is an inspiration to us all (and so unassuming with it); I believe he is one of the best practitioners we have in the UK based on what I have seen to date. If could become half as good, I'd be happy.

In addition, I am also extremely fortunate to have a great set of classmates - ever supportive, enthusiastic and fun.

All in all, I couldn't ask for better.

Anyway, in short.... hello! Nice to meet you all.

John

[morphus]

Alright John? Nice of you to unmask yourself & just like superman you prob' look exactly the same, don't you?...Just with out the thick black rimmed glasses, LOL!

[amiller127]

Say hi to woody and nettie for me. Tell her that her welsh friend hasn't spoken to her in a while and wouldnt mind a chat ;-)

[Big John]

Hi Morphus - I actually have the glasses! But now I feel all exposed! My secret is out and I have nowhere to hide ;-)

Mr Miller - I've noticed your name on our guestbook, so I was aware you knew Pete and Nettie. I'm training in Reading tonight so will pass on your message (although Nettie is a bit elusive at present: 1) she has been doing her train-driving exams and 2) I think she has hurt her back, so is taking it easy).

Pil Sung!

[Dave Rees]

Hi I have just today had my first CKD lesson & loved it, I am now a paid up member & awaiting my dobok (is that right?) I am training at West Midlands CKD, Great Wyrley, nr Walsall. As I have said previously my backgound is Judo so this is totally different & I have loads to learn but I am looking forward to it, the stretching was an effort!!!!! I cannot wait for thurs for my next dose!!

PIL SUNG!!!!

[Big John]

Congratulations Dave.

So what was your first lesson: outward block and rear inwards punch? (Sorry, it's been a long time!) What is really interesting, is that the tecniques you learn in the first 3 lessons are among those I most nautrallu incorporate today (and I dare say, will continue to use!)

As for stretching, I find the more relaxed you are, the better the stretch. It takes a bit of time, but the results are fabulous. I'm much more flexible than I ever thought I could be for my size and I seem to be continually improving.

Dobok is correct. In Judo is it a Gee/Ghee? (I don't even know if that s the correct spelling.) I thought ghee was unsalted Indian butter!

Anyway, glad you enjoyed it. Keep us informed of your experiences and progress.

BTW - who is your instructor/s?

All the best,

John

[ripface]

Hey Dave,

Welcome to the CKD fold! Glad you enjoyed your first lesson, it's important to have a good first impression, and your instructors obviously know their stuff. Motivating new students is an important goal for any AI/CI.

I hope you get a lot out of CKD, but as they say ... you only get back out what you put in, so train hard and enjoy!

Cheers,
Ripface.

[#1son]

Congratulations on your first leason. :) Like Big John says streaching soon gets easier. I used to find it really hard too but now I've become much more "bendy". I try to do a little bit in the morning before I go to work, it really helps. Also helpful to remember the most important point of streaching before training is to prevent injury (not to be able to do the splits, though it would be nice). Looking foward to hearing about your progress. Have fun tomorrow. :D

[Dave Rees]

Thanks all for your supportive comments, a Judo suit is called a Judogi or Gi, my instructors are Mr & Mrs McConnachie & both we're very helpful & friendly as we're the rest of the class. I basically did the stretching, my god it hurt after, but a good hurt not a bad hurt, then the outward blocking & rear inwards punch which felt strange as I am naturally right handed, & a front kick. Mr McConnachie demonstrated the power of the punches for me while I held a kick bag, WOW!! I was amazed! One day I hope I can have that much power. I am back there tomorrow, roll on, the club website is worth a visit it's www.choikwangdo-wm.co.uk I will keep you updated on my progress! :)

[D Max]

Hello to all let me see i'm a student and instructor 1st dan at East China township CKD been reading MAP for about 9 months now . just now i am rearing my ugly head :D Done some MA in the past but only as time in different countrys allowed ,6yrs Force Recon USMC. :woo: Boxed golden gloves in the small town of Detroit Michigan USofA.I work at General Motors Plant in detroit (go figure) as machine repair tech . And brew my own beer :rolleyes:

[#1son]

Pil sung D Max! :)

[morphus]

Welcome to MAP D Max!!

[D Max]

Looking forward to some good networking and fun. Will try to stay away from alot of the heated debates i've seen on MAP ,but some things will be tempting. :D PEACE PIL SUNG

[Reysi-Paswa]

Hi, for those of you who don't know me already, my name is Simon Reynolds, I originally started training back in 1996 (I think) under Jamie Treharne. Was made a Chief Instructor in 1999. Took over the running of the Neath and Cardiff schools with the assistance of Dale Miller. Eventually had to hand over the Neath close to Mr Miller in its entirity in 2000 as I moved out of the area, and focused on the Cardiff class. Work and study commitments forced me to turn the Cardiff class over to Paul and Kate Jones.
Fell out of training for a couple of years as an Il Dan Brown Stripe CI and Assistant Examiner.
Just started back training at Cardiff. Oh how my former students have grown. Both Kate and Paul are now Ee Dan, with the majority of my former students the same rank as me. It's so cool, I now have plenty of people to train with!!
Been reading some of the debates on the forums, and have started a journal.
Promise I'll try and keep it updated regularly!!

[morphus]

Alright bud!!

[Arrow]

Hi All, Checking in a bit late, soz...

It's a pity this topic can't be made Sticky as I suspect there's a few CKD'ers that have missed out.

So, me...
I all began when my son started taking a little bullying at school and his aunt found CKD in Woking, Surrey, UK. Having spent a few years on and off in Lau Gar Kung Fu in my late teens and mid twenties I liked the look of CKD and thought I could get back into MA even in my 40's.
Wow did I get hooked! ... took on AI duties across 4 schools, training/teaching 9 to 10 hrs/week. FUN FUN FUN :):)

Made Il Dan last June (nice hot grading).
Open 1st School Sept. 04 with my second school opening demo next saturday :)
And onwards, looking for my 3rd school later in 05', going full time in 06' with 2 more schools... you heard it here 1st.
I took my first BIG order of Doboks, belts etc from Playwell last week... you can only imagine the buzzzz.

Anyhow, that's me in a nutshell.
Long live CKD. "I" love it.

Don't get me wrong I admire anyone who endeavours to become the best in their chosen MA style. Pil Sung to you all.

Del.

[canigetagrrrr?]

hey i'm sort of new to this posting malarky, i've been a reader up until recently! hello to you all :) i'm rebecca i am 16 and i am currently orange belt, soon to be senior and i am from redhill ckd in surrey :D

[LilBunnyRabbit]

Did someone mention sticky threads Mr Bicknell? :D

*gets out pot of glue*

Tada!

(Is excited because he's never stickied a thread before)

[amiller127]

Bunny. You have made the post all Sticky........... Ewwwwww :D

(Feel free to insert any immature comments here)

[jdavies]

Hi Guys though it was about time that I made my first post on MAP and what better place than in the choikwangdo forum! I'm not strictly a choi practitioner any more as I'm currently studying BJJ and MMA but I do pop back and and fore into my old choi club. I hold a brown tag grade in choi and have studied under many instructors including, Jamie Treharne and Dale Miller @ the Neath and Cardiff clubs in South Wales.

[ripface]

Hi JDavies,

Welcome to MAP! What is it with IT & MA? These forums seem to teem with IT personnel! Must be something in the water. Good luck with the cross training.

Cheers,
Ripface.

[morphus]

Welcome jdavies to MAP, i feel we must know each other??

& also all other newbies i may have missed welcoming.

[jdavies]

Hi morphus, yup we certainly do know each other I used to train in cardiff with you before you took over the class when jamie and then simon reynolds took it and I came up for a period after you kate started instructing it. You'll probably remember who I am if I say I also used to train in richies class in Neath as well.

[morphus]

Well alright there mate - hows tricks? Had a feeling it was you.

Are you still training with Richie at all?

Get down to our class sometime, you're always welcome....See you sometime soon hopefully!

[Saga Tunisia]

Name - Saga Tunisia ;)
CKD School - trained at Wembley CKD School under Mr Banfield, and then trained at Neasden CKD (UK)
Rank - 1st dan
Currently: 1st dan Taekwondo

[Borrow3dtim3]

Name: Wendy and Cameron (son)

Train in Newtonhill under Mr and Mrs Macarthur

Lowly white senior at present

Loving it....

[ripface]

Welcome to MAP Wendy and Cameron,

If you train at Kingswells on a Friday, you may have bumped into my wife Lynda. White belt, soon to be WBSnr.

Good luck with the grading (not that you'll need it!), and I hope you both continue to enjoy your training.

[hsdmauler]

Hi, Ive come to this forum because I done a search on google and my name appeared on one of your posts :)
I trained in Choi (a very long time ago now) and was eventually the chief instructor at the Harrow club. I spent a little time in Atlanta and had the oppotunity to have a session with Grand Master Choi and at the time some of the top Choi people. I had done several forms of Martial Arts prior to my Choi training and like the progression of Choi.
However as I always do, I soon started to question the reality of the techniques in a real situation.
At the time I had also started work in the security field and basic door work. I decided to leave Choi (for both practical and political reasons) and sort out a number of reality based training methods, I then came across some first class UK self defence trainers and decided to train with them, I then started my own club and although in the beginning I still used some of the Choi striking methods they were eventually dropped.
Eventually I decided to take my knowledge to the ring and cage for a reality check...I have fought in some of the UKs top events including: Ultimate Combat, Ultimate Fight Night and Ring Of Truth and now at 43 I judge at Cage Rage in Wembley.
my job is now the head of security at a top London Magistrates court so it dosent take to much imagination that I need a good solid background in self defence.
I think that Choi needs to progress if it is to become a viable Martial Art in the modern word, but it is possible....I leave the discussion open...

*Mauler*

[ripface]

Hi *Mauler*,

Welcome to the CKD Forum. It would be interesting to hear your views on how you feel Choi could progress, especially with your background experience of both Choi, and other disciplines. Why not start a new thread on the subject, and see where it goes .....

[mancheeCKD]

Laurence : Dorking CKD : AI
Also started studyng Aikido and Aikijitz at the sleeping storm dojo

Drum and Bass events and marketing - http://www.jungleravers.com

[Taffy37]

Just dropped in to say Hi
Currently training in Crawley
Purple Belt AI

[morphus]

Welcome Taffy - A welshman in Crawley? Or just a nickname? What's the story Taffy from Crawley?

[Taffy37]

Hi Morphus

Originally From Newport in Gwent, hence a bit of an accent, being Welsh living in England the inevitable nickname I guess.

Moved this way, looking for the streets paved with gold I guess. Have settled in Banstead, not quite golden but not bad.

Started training under Darren Sawyer in Redhill, work commitments mean't putting any serious training on hold, so quite a period of inactivity.
When I heard an old student of Redhill was opening his own school , figured I'd check in on old friends, and low and behold, hooked on the Choi high again.
Any way enough of me for now.

Looking forward to some good advice, (and offering some where possible) and healthy discussions, if what I have read already is anything to go by,

Pil sung

[Kami_no_ken]

Hi, Been watching the forums with interest but very few posts, think i'll start now lol, names Peter, first dan A.I at Southall/Greenford/Hayes west london. Started CKD for the stereotypical- i wanna kick ass! But now im enjoying teaching as much as training, so much so its even influencing my career path. One thing that gets me about this CKD forum is that it seems to just be somewhere for people to vent their anger at CKD but meh, hopefully I can help change that :Angel:

[Getalifebud]

Luke Alcott
Woking
White Belt

I have just moved over to Choi Kwang Do from Wado Kai, and loving it so far.

[Zekosan Jekura]

That's cool, why did you change your mind to change your martial arts from wado Kai to Choi Kwang do? I'm Philip Kung, a blue belt choi kwang do student, under Dafyd Andrew Haase, Nova Scotia.

[redkickass]

training under Mr and Mrs Ellis at Choi Kwang Do Black Belt Academy in redhill

Going for the third Dan this month

Been training since last jan presently Green belt and recently become AI.

Very rewarding helping the kids and getting more tchnical info on the techniques

Pilsing

[Taffy37]

welcome to the fun factory :D

Look forward to your posts

[MaluCachu]

Been doing CKD now for a good few years. Have trained under quite a few different instructors over the years. Still having fun training and teaching. Rather stay a little anonymus though as I like the freedom to be able to say my true feelings on subjects without worrying what my fellow instructors think of my opinions ;-)

[Getalifebud]

Just might as well add that I train under Nigel Brophy. I quit Wado Kai, because firstly the guy that I carpooled with dropped out of it, since he felt belts took too long to get (second time It happened to me at Wado Kai). I tried another dojo that I could easily get to, but hated it, the dojo was smaller and the sensei was an unbearable jerk. Another friend of mine was a First dan black belt in Choi Kwang Do, so I joined where he went, and I am still going there.

[ripface]

Hi Getalifebud!

Welcome to CKD, I hope you find what you are looking for. I met Master Brophy when he was visiting Aberdeen for the Scottish Seminar, and I suspect he is a blast to train with, although I did not have the opportunity at the time.

Maybe next time I arrange a 'business' trip down south ..... hmmmm!!

Cheers and good luck with the training!

[kickassholly]

Hey everyone

Been told by Mr Yates to come on here and formally introduce myself, but im not gonna write an essay like his!

Im currently a first degree orange tag at Royston, Herts CKD. My lovely Chief instructor is now also my fiance, Mr Simon Sparrow 3rd degree. (might i also note he was not my chief when we got together.... sort of?!) Oh well whos to stop loves young dream hey! Well anyway i am the Head instructor at the Royston club but i try to help out at Si's other schools, Hitchin& Stevenage when i can. 3 Schools is certainly a handful but i love being able to help Si out.

My goal is to reach 2nd dan so i can become an associate examiner and then perhaps due to health reasons may no longer be able to train, ive had Rheumatoid Arthritis since a young age and it gradually gets worse as i get older causing alot of pain during training - something i am still desperatly trying to get round! However there is sunshine on this story, as if i hadnt have started Choi i probably would be in a lot worse condition than i am now and it certainly does help me with my problem!

Anyway due to this i have no immediate plans to open a school solo but Simon and i may look at venturing out together towards Cambridge. When ive finished my degree of course.

Always enjoy talkin to fellow choi people so feel free to drop me a line on my msn and keep in touch!

Pil Sung

Holly Worland xxxxx

[morphus]

HEYyyyyy there Holly, welcome to the board - enjoy!

[thehaggishunter]

Pil Sung Holly ;)

[jodavibe]

Pil Sung guys.

My name is Jody Wood, I train at West Heath CKD (Birmingham), currently Purple Belt Jnr AI. I've been training since September 2002 but had to take a break from 2005 until now (roughly a year) due to work commitments. I'm back now and loving it more than ever :)

[greggy]

Hi - Just dropping in to 'formally' introduce myself..

I Am currently a lowly yellow belt (just graded at the weekend) but intend to get higher..

The reason for starting Choi was due to another member on here (KickassHolly). I used to work with here and she 'twisted' my arm to join up. I Did this at the same time as my stopping smoking regime.

I feel soooo much better for taking up Choi (and stopping the weed) and am currently loving every session ! (I have to say that as she may be watching ;) )

I try (when possible) to do two sessions a week at Hitchin and Royston (Both under the guidance of Mr Sparrow) to keep my hand in..

Thats about it for me at the mo - but am sure will have more to say as and when

StuartG

Pil Sung..

[amiller127]

Hi - Just dropping in to 'formally' introduce myself..

I Am currently a lowly yellow belt (just graded at the weekend) but intend to get higher..

The reason for starting Choi was due to another member on here (KickassHolly). I used to work with here and she 'twisted' my arm to join up. I Did this at the same time as my stopping smoking regime.

I feel soooo much better for taking up Choi (and stopping the weed) and am currently loving every session ! (I have to say that as she may be watching ;) )

I try (when possible) to do two sessions a week at Hitchin and Royston (Both under the guidance of Mr Sparrow) to keep my hand in..

Thats about it for me at the mo - but am sure will have more to say as and when

StuartG

Pil Sung..


Poor thing. Having to work with Holly. Bad enough having her nag me on MSN :D

only kidding.

Welcome to CKD

[greggy]

I used to get daily abuse at work, but now get dailly abuse via MSN when she is at uni..!!

Will be seeing her in class tonight....any messages to pass on...(he he he) ??

Cheers for the welcome BTW.. should be able tp ick up hints and tips etc from other people on here. :)

[kickassholly]

Awww you two computer geeks together - how nice!

[greggy]

Good Afternoon Holly.......;)

bren is also signing up so we have another computer geek in the ranks.. !

[kickassholly]

hehe we will take over the world from herts ckd ;-)

Come on then pc geeks tell me why it says you have more posts than me and ive put more than yow on here?!

[greggy]

hehe we will take over the world from herts ckd ;-)

Come on then pc geeks tell me why it says you have more posts than me and ive put more than yow on here?!

Its odd that - In my profile it says I have made 1 post.........and Holly, you have made 0.....

I have clearly posted more than one, and am sure Holly you have done so too.

Odd, maybe the post counter is up the shoot....

[kickassholly]

its bumped up to one now - wahoo!

[Zekosan Jekura]

its bumped up to one now - wahoo!

Look, you are going way off topic, and the message was way too short to be even be considered as a post.
:) :)

[Ghoul]

hmm don't think i've acturly signed the check-in,

im a blue-snr and im currently only choi'ing in summer holidays since my uni is many miles from any choi schools

i go to the stevenage/hitchin school, run by Mr Sparrow

[Kwajman]

Hi - Just dropping in to 'formally' introduce myself..
The reason for starting Choi was due to another member on here (KickassHolly). I used to work with here and she 'twisted' my arm to join up. I Did this at the same time as my stopping smoking regime.

StuartG
Pil Sung..

We're not supposed to do arm twists though theres plenty of it going on!!:cool:

[banksy.69]

Hi ppl,

I train down south under Derrick Bicknell, trained a couple times up in Surrey as well with Master Brophy.

Currently Brown belt A.I. and hopefully going for Black Belt sometime this year!

Anyone here train under Surrey or Hants CKD?

I'm also over to NZ in a couple of weeks to train in Auckland for 5 weeks :-) can't wait! anyone training in Auckland atm? :)

Pil Suhng

[JimiT]

Hi, I'm James.

I'm new to MAP and to CKD. I'm living in Aberdeenshire and have been looking for a MA to take up. I think the best one I have found so far, (Bujinkan, SooYang Do, Karat also) I think CKD appeals to me most.

I like the idea of the art focusing on real self defence situations rather than competition fighting. I don't quite get how you can learn real self defence without sparring, but I am more than willing to try and find out.

I will most likely be training in Peterculter.

Can anyone tell me about that scandal that was surrounding CKD? I read a little, but it seems to be about the amount of belts or the price of them? Is there anything 'sketchy' about CKD?

I think it seems pretty sensible, and only maybe DSD (bad subject?) would suit me better. Anyway, hi MAP members and please give me any comments, within reason :p

[amiller127]

Hi, I'm James.

I'm new to MAP and to CKD. I'm living in Aberdeenshire and have been looking for a MA to take up. I think the best one I have found so far, (Bujinkan, SooYang Do, Karat also) I think CKD appeals to me most.

I like the idea of the art focusing on real self defence situations rather than competition fighting. I don't quite get how you can learn real self defence without sparring, but I am more than willing to try and find out.

I will most likely be training in Peterculter.

Can anyone tell me about that scandal that was surrounding CKD? I read a little, but it seems to be about the amount of belts or the price of them? Is there anything 'sketchy' about CKD?

I think it seems pretty sensible, and only maybe DSD (bad subject?) would suit me better. Anyway, hi MAP members and please give me any comments, within reason :p

Hi James

Rather than go drag up all the stuff your asking about and this turning into a nice little argument thread (which will happen knowing how things have gone in the past) why dont you just pop into your CKD class and speak to the instructors about training with them. Most give a few lessons free. Have a look, see if you like the training and if you feel the classes are worth the money and then join or find something else :-)

speak to RIPFACE or HaggisHunter as they are both instructors in the Aberdeen area. Im sure they would be very happy to help you find a class....

[JimiT]

Hi again,

thanks for your reply amiller. I certainly do not want to start any type of 'flame' war.

The class near me trains on a Wednesday evening and Saturday morning. I am going to go along to watch the class this Wednesday and speak with the instructor. I think he is Brian Jay.

I'll be sure to speak to RIPface and Haggishunter in the future, once I have some questions to ask or info to share.

I am very much looking forward to training, I hope CKD is for me!

[ripface]

Hi again,

thanks for your reply amiller. I certainly do not want to start any type of 'flame' war.

The class near me trains on a Wednesday evening and Saturday morning. I am going to go along to watch the class this Wednesday and speak with the instructor. I think he is Brian Jay.

I'll be sure to speak to RIPface and Haggishunter in the future, once I have some questions to ask or info to share.

I am very much looking forward to training, I hope CKD is for me!

Hi JimiT,

Just for your information, Brian Jay is no longer affiliated with Choi Kwang Do. He left the organisation some time ago, and I believe he now trains under Kinetic Martial Arts (However I may be wrong). I've trained with Brian in the past, and found him to be a good instructor, so if you are considering his classes then I'd recommend going along to see how you get on. Just be aware that you will not be training in CKD.

There are a number of CKD Schools in the North East, in and around Aberdeen. Myself and Ms. Nadine Thomas run the CKDBBA schools in Alford and Kingswells, and I also run a Lunchtime class on a Wednesday in Aberdeen. You'd be made very welcome to any of these, and the details can be found on our website at www.ckd.org.uk (http://www.ckd.org.uk).

Cheers and good luck finding a style and a school that suits your needs.

[JimiT]

John,

thanks for that. I will go along to what I think is CKD in Peterculter tomorrow evening and see what its all about. If it turns out it's not CKD, or not what I'm after I would quite possibly be interested in coming to Kingswells to train with you guys. I might come over anyway (once I gain some level of fitness) just to meet more like minded people.

thanks again

[Kwajman]

Congrats for joining! CKD is an awesome martial art that has a few flaws just like every other martial art in the world! CKD doesn't have all the politics or complaining that others seem to have though! Welcome!

[Chris Yates]

Well, it's been nearly a year since I last visited, and Choi Kwang Do gets relagated!!!

[Saz]

I don't think it was getting the activity needed for its own forum (I wasn't round at the time so can't say for certain).

I'd recommended people starting new threads add [Choi Kwang Do] or [CKD] to the start of the title. If we can see it's getting enough activity it may warrant its own forum again.

[twopaw]

Hi I am just beginning Choi Kwang Do, in QLD Australia. I hope that is specific enough. I just had my trial class today and as yet have no official white belt with uniform yet, but I am enjoying it enough to know I will going back for more tomorrow night.

I trained in 2000 4-5 nights/days a week with a totally different style of martial art altogether. CCK. Which is not operating under its name now, from what I have seen. I don't know where Shifu Wei Tei went or what happened. Maybe he just left for extensive training in Tibet, where Cho Chiao Chuan Fa Kung Fu traditionally comes from. I don't know.

When I was there, a system for kung fu and kickboxing grading existed and I was graded in kickboxing at Yellow Two. I did not know enough to feel ready to grade for kung fu, as it included Yang Liao Kung and other physical tasks that I was not sure of being able to know. I also learnt chi kung, and trained with a bamboo Dragon Pole. I don't have the pole or any of the gear now, as the pole was stolen from a house I was living in, in North Coast NSW. I sold the kickboxing gear - 16 ounce red leather gloves, shin and instep protectors, red handwraps, and threw out my mouthguard, after I decided not to continue training, even though it was beneficial for my health and physical fitness. I also had moved too far away to enjoyably train.

I am regaining health and fitness after numerous accidents. I have broken my right 5th metatarsal, walking on platform heel shoes down a steep hill and then falling off the shoe partially and snapping my outer bone. My right ulna fractured near the elbow, after I fell during an art photo shoot on a waterfall rock in October 2009.

I've also been injured in 2006 on a road cycling bike accident on a freeway, where I flew over the handlebars and slid downhill and landed on my spine with the heavy Italian road cycling bike. And also had to defend myself on a train in 2006 as well, from a guy smoking and drinking beer on a train. He flicked the ember end of the rollie into my eye and I pushed him away, reflexively. He then started kicking my hips and legs, and I defended myself from his kicks with leg checks, also using a kick block from a high kick aimed at my head, and punched him once in the balls with my left after he knocked me down and I almost had my head out of the train carriage.

So I am back into a new style altogether of training with the aim of self competition. And to hopefully positively deal with situations as before mentioned as I do not seek that kind of thing ever again after having a month of physio and bed rest from the attack damage.


Blessings
twopaw

[daveblue]

The thing about choi kwang do is that many of the other arts its easy to find one to one private lessons,but ckd i have asked many and cannot find,also we know that some people just do not like or for some reason need a lesson at a certain time,its not too bad if like usa you can find day time classes in the week,and also i do now that brighton choi has classes for the older students as they may find it embarrassing training with children or younger students,but not everyone can travel to brighton.
I think that ckd loses a lot of people that like me want that service,i remember training under master pan sim woon wtf tae kwon do and i trained at his house and he only charged £15 hour one to ones alas he moved away,he was not in it for the money and a true gentleman ckd could do with an injection of this as some are deluded by there egos.:hat:

[daveblue]

What happened to henry woodcock and his family i think he trained under peter wake and also karren wake,it was bad news that bike accident,i have had a few but was lucky to survive.

[Kwajman]

Most all the CKD instructors I know will gladly teach private lessons, the prices are all over the map but they'll teach them if someone is interested.

[daveblue]

well i have asked a number and most are not interested,also i have been to some classes and the standards are not good you have a couple of lessons with the instructor and after that i was once left on my own nearly the whole class with going over what i could learn at home out of a book,and if you are lucky you might then get a lower belt to teach you not what i call high standards?never had that with tae kwon do or shotokan karate as most are high quaility step by step and you get corrected a lot if you are not getting it right.
Its no good having hundreds of clubs with crap lessons where many think they will be safe on the streets when clearly they are deluding themselves.

[daveblue]

anyone heard of qi kwon do it seems to have colourful uniforms.

[amiller127]

well i have asked a number and most are not interested,also i have been to some classes and the standards are not good you have a couple of lessons with the instructor and after that i was once left on my own nearly the whole class with going over what i could learn at home out of a book,and if you are lucky you might then get a lower belt to teach you not what i call high standards?never had that with tae kwon do or shotokan karate as most are high quaility step by step and you get corrected a lot if you are not getting it right.
Its no good having hundreds of clubs with crap lessons where many think they will be safe on the streets when clearly they are deluding themselves.

I'm happy to teach private lessons either at my house, someone else's or if they hire a hall. I look after my step daughter during the day so got enough free time to do it. Just never been asked before :)

[amiller127]

What happened to henry woodcock and his family i think he trained under peter wake and also karren wake,it was bad news that bike accident,i have had a few but was lucky to survive.

Henry and his family left CKD for dsd in 1997. I believe he is now retired from teaching. I don't think Peter wake was his instructor. Think Henry either trained under master pereira or Roger koo initially.

Peter's passing was a huge loss for choi kwang do. He was a great instructor and I was lucky enough to spend a lot of time training with him, testing and being promoted to instructor and examiner under him before he passed.

[Kwajman]

well i have asked a number and most are not interested,also i have been to some classes and the standards are not good you have a couple of lessons with the instructor and after that i was once left on my own nearly the whole class with going over what i could learn at home out of a book,and if you are lucky you might then get a lower belt to teach you not what i call high standards?never had that with tae kwon do or shotokan karate as most are high quaility step by step and you get corrected a lot if you are not getting it right.
Its no good having hundreds of clubs with crap lessons where many think they will be safe on the streets when clearly they are deluding themselves.

Well there are bad instructors in all different martial arts.

[daveblue]

your right about that kwaj,thanks dale i have sent you a private message on your site,i think you are too far away for me?