Hapkido

[waya]

Anyone else in here have any opinions on Hapkido and or the history of the art?

[Andy Murray]

It always seems to get a bit looked over in the general MA books. An article from you would be appreciated Rob!

[waya]

I have one I will submit :-)

[Andy Murray]

I did know that HKD used a cane, not dissimilar to that used by Charlie Chaplin.

I then noticed a picture of yourself on site with an interesting moustache.

Is there possibly a connection?

[pesilat]

I've not seen any traditional HKD. I've seen some of Pellegrini's "Combat HKD" and the guy I train with here in TX, Joe Lansdale, trained quite a bit in traditional HKD so I've heard a little about the history of it ... but that's about all I can claim. Lansdale doesn't teach any of the traditional HKD but some of the Shen Chuan (the system he's developed and teaches) is pulled from his training in HKD.

Mike

[waya]

LOL @ the moustache...

I train with the combat cane also. That is one weapon I really love.

I haven't seen alot of Pellegrini's system yet, although I have no excuse since I am 2 hours from his school lol. I like Hapkido because there really isn't anything it doesn't cover as far as attacks or defenses. There is even a moderate amount of grappling once you get into it (further along than I am yet lol).

Most of what I have worked with has been joint locks combined with pressure point manipulation. And of course the Korean kicks are definitely there.

Rob

[Sweeet]

I'm currently going to a Korean Martial Arts School with a Master that has a 9th degree BB in Hapkido, and a 5th in Judo, Tae Kwon Do, and Kum Sul Do (Weapons Fighting, basically).
Generally, Hapkido is one of the most practical and diverse martial arts you can do - it in my opinion basically takes the best from all the 'classical' martial arts - and you end up with a very well rounded art the has linear/circular, internal/external, and hard/soft aspects to it. Later, when I have time I will transcribe an excellent article on the art, that I think sums it up almost perfectly.

[Melanie]

Thanks for the background Sweeet. Pleased to hear that you have such a wide scope of training behind you. I am looking forward to reading the article when you get the chance to submit it. Please send it to mainfo@iycstaff.com and it will be put in the articles section.

Although Andy Murray has beaten me to it...welcome to the forum. :)

[Sweeet]

Just a note.. I was 'going' to write up that article, but after reading Waya's one, it seems pointless! Even if I transcribed Marc Tedischi's article out of my Hapkido book it wouldn't be as good :P

Sweeet.

[waya]

LOL thank you I think lol.
I have that info posted on my website also. I am posting a similar one on TKD, JKD, and maybe Shotokan although with that I have always had issues finding one complete version of what is what in that system. I'd like to post the backgruonds of as many systems as I can on there though, not just ones I train in.

[Chris from CT]

Originally posted by Sweeet
Just a note.. I was 'going' to write up that article, but after reading Waya's one, it seems pointless!

So Rob, the author, is "Waya." Thumbs up on the article, Bro.
I'm new here so I'll try to catch up quickly. :)
I think I may have to add link to it on my site, if you don't mind?

Take care

[waya]

I am actually working on a new site at the moment, putting the histories of basically any art that I get a good background to on it.
So far I have the Hapkido information posted, and TKD will be up in a couple days. My instructor's site will have the Hapkido information as well as soon as it is redone.

Rob

[HKD]

Hapkido is truly one of the great arts. i woud put it up against any style. i believe there is no best style good, better best lies whith in the artist. but Hapkido is very close.
HKD gets looked over alot cuz it's not a competition art.

sean

[Melanie]

Hello Sean,

Welcome. I believe in exactly the same thing - the art is made by the Martial Artist. I have to admit though from what I have *seen* so far, there is no one complete martial art...but I have never seen Hapkido :)

[HKD]

it's rally cool it can B what ever U want it 2 B, hard style, soft style what ever. U should pick up some vidoes turtle press has some good ones and panther does too. if U try panther get bong soo hans his R the best.
HKD

[HKD]

Hay! where R all the hapkido people at?
it's a great art let's talk about it. better than tkd, in fact tkd took it's kicks from hapkdo.

HKD

[Freeform]

I thought TKD took everything from Shotokan Karate?

[waya]

Some it did, but not everything. Alot of it also came from TSD and supposedly from Tae Kyon

[HKD]

waya i think i know U. everyone thinks everything came from shotokan, i have heard people say taekwondo and shotokan R the same if U have a BB in tkd U have one in shotokan 2.

HKD

[johndoch]

Humans have been hitting, kicking etc dating back to pre-history and to say a style created this or that kick is nonsense as there are only so many things you can do with 2 arms and legs. The term style is just to get individuals thinking along the same lines.

[Melanie]

Welcome johndoch,

Welcome to the forum. Would love to hear more about your style when you get the chance. :)

[HKD]

very good answer johnoch, U must have had some real martial arts training.

HKD

[Thomas]

The "origins" of various arts is always sure to rile some people up and confuse others! Some sources will tell you that hapkido (traditional korean style, not the ICHF one) comes from techniques learned by Buddhist monks to protect the temples in Korea. Supposedly they learned the bulk of their style from the Chinese Buddhist Monks (missionaries) who were there to set up the temples. Depending what source you use, there is a theory that hapkido then migrated with Buddhist monks to Japan to form the basis of Aikido (note that the Chinese characters for hapkido and Aikido are the same). Supposedly, Hapkido survived the brutal Japanese colonization of Korea by the Japanese and many Korean scholars will tell you that hapkido is the oldest true Korean style (although they will also say that it came from China and that Taekyeon is the oldest true style).
Hapkido is a fun style, with lots of great kicks, including many that you will not find in most tournament style TKD schools, excellent joint locks, self defence, and falling techniques. It also has many techniques for developing "ki" (chi) energy. One drawback is that there aren't a lot of Korean style Hapkido places around (in my experience).
The ICHF is a more practical self defence style which gets into practical weapons, self defence, police tactics, and ground grappling. The great thing about this is the sheer professionalism and practicality in the organization and the fairly often offering of seminars for ICHF classes (taught by grandmasters and masters).

[H@pkid0ist]

Originally posted by HKD
tkd took it's kicks from hapkdo.


Actually Hapkido got most of its kicks from styles like TKD. The type of Hapkido with all the kicks is newer than TKD, and there are kicks that are excusive to Hapkido.
I love Hapkido. I have been studying the MA for 24 years now and 8 other systems other than Hapkido. In Hapkido I have studied at 3 different schools and have learned a lot about the diversity in different Hapkido schools. I have come to realize that not many schools teach true Hapkido, not of their own accord all of the time. Its' just that not many people, even Hapkidoist truly know or understand what Hapkido really is. I have been lucky in my present school to be studying under an original student of Choi and Ji. He is one of the founding Grandmasters of Hapkido. What I have learnt from him not just in technique, but also in the ideology, phylosophy, history and the meaning of Hapkido is something I could not have learnt anywhere else. It has given me an isight into what I am doing that I just did not get at my other schools. And since he was an original student of Choi and tight with him until Choi's death in 86" I have learnt quite a bit about the history of Hapkido. And my info comes from someone who was there not someone who heard it from someone or read it hear or heard it there. I am truly honored.

[Thomas]

Quote: "And my info comes from someone who was there not someone who heard it from someone or read it hear or heard it there. I am truly honored."

I apologize for not listing my sources. The point of my post was to show that no matter where you get your information from, it is filtered through multiple sources and may be different depending who you hear it from.
I have been studying Hapkido since 1995, and from 1997 to 2001, I studied it in South Korea with very reputable grandmasters. The information I presented above comes from various masters and grandmasters, as well as our core curriculum books, English language ones and Korean language ones. Each master, grandmaster, Korean book and English book presented the history of Hapkido in slight to greatly different ways.

I love Hapkido and am still training in it. Nowadays I am in the ICHF, which is more of an Americanized Hapkido group. It's good, but a far cry from the traditional Hapkido I learned in Korea.

[H@pkid0ist]

Nowadays I am in the ICHF, which is more of an Americanized Hapkido group. It's good, but a far cry from the traditional Hapkido I learned in Korea.
Thomas;

I have studied at 2 other Hapkido schools myself and I know what you are saying. There is a big difference between the first 2 schools of hapkido I studied at and the traditional school I studie at know. I wouldn't trade it for anything, but I wouldn't give up the knowledge I learned at the other schools either.

[jejanim]

my class trains with the cane and N-Chucks. only at the earliest....blue and red belt though.

jeja

[hapkiyoosool]

Growing up in Korea, I studied under one of Choi, Young-Sool's students. Having studied ONLY Hapkiyoosool all my life, this is what I will say.

This is how I was told by every Korean I ever asked (in Korea). Koreans in America tend to say what they want, afterall who will question them? We are far too trusting as Americans. Respect is not to question your instructor, but not when it serves only them.

Hapkido is from Aikijujtsu. Undesputed. Same techniques. We go to Japan every summer and train with them. Hapkido was originaly called Hapkiyoosool, Hapkisool, and HapkiYooKwonSool. Hapkido is the "civilian" version of a military(martial) art.

FACT: Hapkido kicks came from TaeKyon.

Choi,Young-Sool saw that the art lacked a proper understanding of kicks which led to a substandard kick defense at times. Learn how your enemy attacks and build your defenses upon it. The only reason that we practice attacks in HKD is to practice against them.

If no one ever attacked you at full speed/power in the school, how would you learn to defend on the street. Practical application. Hapkido when taught properly is extremely painful and deadly. It's original intent is to cripple and kill. If that gives you goose bumps, you need a reality check. The guy at the ATM is there to cause you physical harm, reciprocate. Don't EVER give someone a second chance to kill or maime you. Fighting in Korea growing up as a blonde American is tough business. I know the art works. I NEVER kicked anyone, ever.

We are having a seminar in November on this. All the info is on our website. NEWS page.

[shadow warrior]

All of my major and minor Hapkido instructors were Direct students of Master Choi and they ALL kick to various degrees. See Hapkido Info Net. The type of Hapkido or Yool Sool as Master Choi used to call it (which Master Allen is a teacher), is the root of some aspects of what became Hapkido in the mid 1960's. My first Master Instructor Chung Kee-Tae sought out extra kicking training because he felt the art was not complete as he found it without it. My second major Master Instructor Hwang In-Shik, former Head Instructor of the Korean Hapkido Association 1967 - 1973 (later became Korean Hapkido Federation), is known as one of the most dynamic kickers of his entire generation. See Young Master with Jackie Chan to look at some of the best "twisting" ever put on film.

Grandmasters Bong Soo Han, Chong S. Kim, and Kwang Sik Myung ALL kick and they were ALL direct students of Master Choi. Almost every single Master of the 2nd generation kicks. Not all in a dynamic way.

People who choose not to develop dynamic kicking as part of their Hapkido skill sets are doing so for their own reasons. The question is, will it produce a better Hapkido free fighter?

To defend against a devastating kicker, it is a requirement to practice against them EVERYDAY. Not just on "true life saving days". It is VERY Aikido like to say we only practice kicks to learn how to defend against them.

It is the same old debate. How can I be proficient at all Hapkido free fighting skill sets??..find a teacher who can show you ALL free fighting aspects..not just part of the puzzle one person knows...and train your ass off....

Who ever said LESS information is MORE valuable than LESS information. Must be Voo Doo training.

[shadow warrior]

Correction:

Last line should read "who ever said LESS information is MORE valuable than MORE information". Must be Voo Doo training..

[John_IHF]

There are Kicks in Hapkido, But what I believe Master Allen is trying to get across is that the kicks are not going to be used with techniques. Like the techniques don't involve locking someone up with a joint lock then kicking there upper torso while having them locked. Sure the kicks them selves can be used as offensive tools but Hapkido is and always should be a defensive art. We learn the kicks to know how an attacker attacks that way we can build a defense on it. You shouldn't just be going around trying to attack people not that you guys are doing that or anything. :confused: