Help me clear this up please

[Mr. Jones]

Hello all. Mr. Jones again. I was under the assumption that TKD did not teach any type of weapons or any type of joint locks or ground fighting....Yet on the ITF website they have articles talking about Ground Fighting and Weapons.[URL=http://www.itatkd.com/art-groundfighting.html#top[/URL]
my link is probably wrong or will not work, so im suggesting that anyone who wants to just go to the website and read the articles. Any info on this subject would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. Bye.

[LilBunnyRabbit]

Yep, TKD can involve groundfighting and grappling, its just not taught particularly often. Most of what people see of TKD is sport TKD, since the more practical styles tend not to be as photogenic.

[Mr. Jones]

ahh, i see. Thanks bunny. Im going to my local TKD school tomorrow or monday, im tryin to find out as much as I can about the art. I have quite a few questions to ask the head instructor.

[neryo_tkd]

that's the best thing to do - aks the instructor before u start training it. there are differences between schools and styles. talk to the instructor and watch a couple of training sessions to see him/her in action. good luck!

[Chazz]

By the way that is the ITA web site. Not the ITF web site. They are their own org.

Not all schools of TKD do weapons but when you find a school that has an instructor that has benn in different styles he/she may bring things from that style that he/she likes into their class. (such as ground fighting, jujitsu, and weapons)

[Taeho]

We learn quite a bit of ground fighting and joint locks at my dojang. It all depends on the teachers and what the students want to learn. We requested more and our teachers responded.

TKDshane Ÿ

[neryo_tkd]

same here.

my instructor has always been willing to explain what we wanted to know. but in self-defence we use all those things.

[Chazz]

Most instructor will do that. If you have a question on something you might have seen, ask him and im sure they will help. Or if there is something that you would like to learn, ask and see if they can help. Im sure if they have any know something about it, they will do what they can to help.

[Poop-Loops]

When I do something wrong in a form or whatever (which is always), my instructor will tell me what I'm doing wrong, how I'm supposed to do it, and why.

If your instructor doesn't know why you do a certain move, then s/he's not very good.

PL

[Artikon]

I don't know, there's a big difference between not knowing, and not telling that you don't know.

Not knowing doesn't make you a bad instructor . . . pretending that you do does.

What I mean by this is, if someone asks me something and I don't know I say so, then research it so I can give them an answer next class. Just because I don't know doesn't make me a bad instructor . . . I hope :D

Now if I said I know when I don't well that's different. There are many questions that students can ask an instructor that they have never heard or thought of before. One of the joys of being an instructor in my mind is having those questions thrown at you. It presents a challenge and helps the instructor grow as well.

I have yet to meet anyone who could answer any question presented to them.

[Poop-Loops]

You make a good point. You have the willingness to find out the answer, so you can't be called "bad".

PL

[surgingshark]

ust because I don't know doesn't make me a bad instructor . . . I hope

It doesn't. It makes you a good, honest instructor. If you simply don't know, then say so. It's better than decieving people into thinking that you know everything and can do anything, since it WILL bite you in the ass one day.

Case and point..."Mr. Dux".

[Mr. Jones]

all too interesting. Thanks for all the replies fellas. They were all quite helpful. This school teaches TKD, and this has too be the 20th time ive said this on this website, but they also teach BJJ. So, im gonna ask them about it and if I can crosstrain or if they incorporate some of the BJJ moves in with their TKD....Tomorrow at 4 pm is when i go ! I cant wait. LOL

[neryo_tkd]

Originally posted by Artikon
What I mean by this is, if someone asks me something and I don't know I say so, then research it so I can give them an answer next class. Just because I don't know doesn't make me a bad instructor . . . I hope :D

it doesn't. u can't know everything.

but it all depends on the question. as we have all seen there are many good and ''less'' good instructors, good schools and Mcdojangs. so, if it is something that u should know according to ur rank, i.e. belt, then it wld not be good. the rest u can find out and then share with ur students. that's only normal.

[Bulldog]

If you are training and you get told you ask too many questions...then you will probably find out that you are on your way to becoming a great teacher someday...

I love instructors who have the honesty to say..."UH...I don't know"...and then smile!

I ask questions all the time, beg to have wrist locks, chokes, take downs, submissions, throws done on me over and over and over again...A bit sick I know...but, that's how I learn best...other students seem to get a little annoyed by my constant inquisitiveness and yearning to be a training dummy...but, I know I like to have answers...cuz, I have so many questions!

Anyway...

Taekwondo, again, is a prime example of an art that has confused more people than it has educated.

I have spoken to several Native Koreans. Some career martial artists and some not. Most of the ones I talked with know joint locks, throws and grappling, beyond the taekwondo "stuff"...
I don't know why it got put on the back burner for some many years, because now it seems every Taekwondo school is adding MMA or grappling and stuff to what they already do...:)

Funny...the one thing they left out, cuz, it probably didn't seem as marketable, is now sought after more...if that makes sense?!

Ok...I'll stop...too much coffee...gotta get home!

Aaron

[surgingshark]

I ask questions all the time, beg to have wrist locks, chokes, take downs, submissions, throws done on me over and over and over again...A bit sick I know...but, that's how I learn best...

Dude, me too! *gets flipped over*

[Kwajman]

We do some staff training at our dojang.

[Infesticon #1]

I think for green belt we have to learn a wrist lock or something like that.

I wonder if shio nage counts?

[Mifune]

We do heaps of joint locks, throws and ground defence in our kwan. In my class, the students love learning new ones all the time and we have a few students working in security, so joint locks are really important for them.

Our ground work is not so much grappling/submission as defence from the ground. BJJ seems to be more getting into a wrestling submission, but I've always been taught and taught techniques to get you out of a vulnerable position and then get outta there.

On take downs too, the difference is you're not trying to get the opponent on the ground and pin them, but to throw them over, strike and then get out.

It's interesting because my first school in 1981 taught all this stuff too and there is a good book Taekwondo by BS Huan, a Singaporean instructor, which came out in 1973 which has lots of locks, throws, etc - even defence from a hip-throw position, so it isn't really anything new to TKD.