Andrew Green
17-Sep-2002, 05:51 AM
Originally posted by pgm316
Has anybody learnt boxing type techniques? Do you think it compliments the classical martial arts?
Boxing has changed a lot over the past 100 years.
It wasn't until the end of the 19th century that the Marquis of Queensbury rules began to get acceptance.
Prior to that the "London Prize Rules" where used, and before that the "broughton" rules.
Some of the major rule changes relevant to this where:
1) Required wearing of gloves, prior to this matches where bare-knuckled.
2) Removal of grappling techniques, Throws where allowed, but there where restrictions. (ex. No grabbing below the belt, No falling on someone knees first, etc.)
3) Timed rounds, Under LPR rounds ended when one person touched the ground with anything other then his feet. 30 sec break, then 8 sec to be back and ready. Fight ends when one or both cannot return. (Even if they where helped up and procceded to fall on there face as soon as the other guy touched them.
The last is probably not as relevant as the other two, and there where other changes.
1 - Gloves not only protect the opponent, but also the hand. A powerful hook to the head without gloves is a bad idea for the puncher, as well as hitting into the mouth (teeth into knuckles hurts both). However you could hit more specific targets, the neck, the "mark" (solar plexus)
2 - This changes the ranges the match is fought at. The close in hooks and uppercuts wouldn't have happened, Once in that close the fighters would clinch and someone would get thrown, placed in "chancery" (headlock) and pounded or other things not allowed in modern rules.
3 - Knockouts would be rare. Fighters didn't get a 10 count to return to their feet, they got a total of 38 seconds before the had to be ready to go. Even if you did land a KO punch, it didn't mean a win all the time.
New rules allowed players to fight closer, to keep the range without risk of being grabbed. It also changed how fights where won. A KO became more appealing as a goal, the gloves protected the hands in hard hits, and harder hits where possible as fighters could get into that range without being thrown.
LPR used a more upright stance, hands where more extended, with the read hand usually protecting the mark. Straight punches where thrown to do damage, not to probe, the lead on doing most of the work.
To be honest, looking at the pictures, old style boxing looks an awful lot like old style karate.
Some other points:
Punches where mostly thrown vertical, adjusting to the target if needed.
The major 2 major throws that seem to have been used where a "buttock" (hip throw), and a "cross heel" (reaping throw)
Fights took place center ring, not up against the ropes.
Anyways, Modern boxing has some very refined methods. It's certainely worth understanding what they do and how they do it. It's also VERY important to understand why they do it, and why you don't. Modern Boxing works very well in a modern boxing match. That doesn't neccessarily mean its the best system outside of that setting.
Has anybody learnt boxing type techniques? Do you think it compliments the classical martial arts?
Boxing has changed a lot over the past 100 years.
It wasn't until the end of the 19th century that the Marquis of Queensbury rules began to get acceptance.
Prior to that the "London Prize Rules" where used, and before that the "broughton" rules.
Some of the major rule changes relevant to this where:
1) Required wearing of gloves, prior to this matches where bare-knuckled.
2) Removal of grappling techniques, Throws where allowed, but there where restrictions. (ex. No grabbing below the belt, No falling on someone knees first, etc.)
3) Timed rounds, Under LPR rounds ended when one person touched the ground with anything other then his feet. 30 sec break, then 8 sec to be back and ready. Fight ends when one or both cannot return. (Even if they where helped up and procceded to fall on there face as soon as the other guy touched them.
The last is probably not as relevant as the other two, and there where other changes.
1 - Gloves not only protect the opponent, but also the hand. A powerful hook to the head without gloves is a bad idea for the puncher, as well as hitting into the mouth (teeth into knuckles hurts both). However you could hit more specific targets, the neck, the "mark" (solar plexus)
2 - This changes the ranges the match is fought at. The close in hooks and uppercuts wouldn't have happened, Once in that close the fighters would clinch and someone would get thrown, placed in "chancery" (headlock) and pounded or other things not allowed in modern rules.
3 - Knockouts would be rare. Fighters didn't get a 10 count to return to their feet, they got a total of 38 seconds before the had to be ready to go. Even if you did land a KO punch, it didn't mean a win all the time.
New rules allowed players to fight closer, to keep the range without risk of being grabbed. It also changed how fights where won. A KO became more appealing as a goal, the gloves protected the hands in hard hits, and harder hits where possible as fighters could get into that range without being thrown.
LPR used a more upright stance, hands where more extended, with the read hand usually protecting the mark. Straight punches where thrown to do damage, not to probe, the lead on doing most of the work.
To be honest, looking at the pictures, old style boxing looks an awful lot like old style karate.
Some other points:
Punches where mostly thrown vertical, adjusting to the target if needed.
The major 2 major throws that seem to have been used where a "buttock" (hip throw), and a "cross heel" (reaping throw)
Fights took place center ring, not up against the ropes.
Anyways, Modern boxing has some very refined methods. It's certainely worth understanding what they do and how they do it. It's also VERY important to understand why they do it, and why you don't. Modern Boxing works very well in a modern boxing match. That doesn't neccessarily mean its the best system outside of that setting.