1 big Flaw in Last Samurai

[Kof_Andy]

There were 1 big flaw in last samurai, did anyone else notice besides me? Give it a try, i'll say what it is after you guys try to answer this trivia question. ;)

-Hint- It related to Samurai ritual :Angel:

[2ral]

....they never hit tom cruise for real if u look at the fights in slow motion you will see him feigning everything....ah well im pretty sure thats what most people do, not practical to have the star of your movie with a gash on his forehead for most of the film.
i dont think i guessed it right thhough you were probably talking about something else....:rolleyes:

oooh ooh i know none of the japanese people actually spoke english in real life....but magically they learnt it when tom cruise came along

[Adam]

The flaw was obviously that they invited Tom Cruise to act in the film. Or am I way off?

[Kof_Andy]

Haha funny Adam, but no thats not it. Im talking about ritual error, and a big one too. I'm not talking about fighting etc. Keep guessing people.

[Paratus]

First or last suicide scenes maybe? I know its not called suicide, but its to preserve honor I'm not sure on the term. Was done then? Thats my only guess

And I'm still trying to figure out Adams hatred for Tom Cruise....have you seen Last Samurai Adam? Hes pretty good in it

[Kof_Andy]

Your on the right track paratus. Is called seppuku, but what exactly was done inpropertly.

[Paratus]

No rotation when the blade was stabbed into the stomach? I think its supposed to disembowel the person

My other guess is in the last one Cruise stabbed the samurai for him instead of standing to the side sword ready in case the samurai couldn't

Sorry, I don't know much about samurai custom

[Kof_Andy]

Not quiet, the person helping is call Kaishaku. The person doing the suicide is suppose to choose someone close to you, your best friend, or someone your trust with high proficient in kenjutsu to be Kaishaku. There job is to easy the suffering by doing 1 quick blow, after the seppuku. Your so very very close paratus....
-hints- However what did they do to the head?

[Paratus]

Arrrrgh! :D I can't remember! It'll come to me I swear hmmmm.....

[Paratus]

Did they just leave it on the ground? or didn't put it back with the body? :confused:

[47Ronin]

Besides the beaheading I noticed that he just stabbed him self instead of gutting himself.
From the beheading I noticed he took his head right as he stabbed himself.

I'd have to see it again and really pay attention. Was it really that much of an error?

[Disciple]

The error was not so much when he cut, b/c a cut could be made at anytime as instructed by whomever commits seppuku. I believe the error was that the head was completely removed from the body, when I deally it should have been SLIGHTLY attached to make it roll strait down and hide the face, while keeping it on the body.

[Virtuous]

Bah Disciple beat me to it :). I noticed it too but didnt make a big deal of it. Also beheading was not a very desirable way to die, it was a slave's death. To leave a small amount of skin atached was to keep it from being a beheading and saving your honor.

[nzric]

In that case, at least they kept it real in the Harry Potter movie.

[Maximicus]

That wasn't a flaw, maybe Tom wans't supposed to be the greatest swordsman ever. A tiny flap? Not easy me thinks.:D

[Kof_Andy]

Yup Disciple got the right answer! Ding Ding Ding.
Cutting the head all the way, so it roll all over is an exection, not seppuku. The proper cutting for Kaishaku should only be done about 70% through the neck, not all the way. It should be done in a manner where you kill the person with 1 quick stroke, without cutting through the head completely.

[47Ronin]

Haha, I can't remember that part. Now you have me mad and watnting to see it again :p

[Kof_Andy]

No shame in watching it again. I watch it 5 times in theater, and 1 time at home watching a piss poor quality verison.

[khafra]

I don't know if that was exactly an error, though. I mean, you wouldn't want to partially sever vertebrae and leave the guy paralyzed but still alive and with full sensation, that would suck.
I mean...
How many times did they practice for this, anyway? Any time you do test cutting you go all the way through the bamboo.

[Virtuous]

After a while you can learn to pull a cut. I've done this a couple of times when demonstrating what an attacker would be doing during katas. Some time people dont get out of the way and you need to slam the breaks. Im pretty sure the same thing can be done half way through some ones kneck.

[gojuman]

IN Iaido demonstrations I have seen cuts made by resting a melon on someones bare belly and making the cut. Obviosly none of the volenteers were cut in half, so the practice of pulling the cut is very common and I'm sure perfected by the Samurai.

[Kof_Andy]

Indeed that would suck khafra thats why the person suiciding get to chooses who the kaishaku will be, and this is someone they trust that has the ability to easy there pain with 1 cut, not 2 or 3.
Virtuous and Gojuman already gave some examples. This is doing able but takes years of practice. Kenjutsu is a very simple beauty art, but it is not easy to master

[Yama Tombo]

Hey I'll remember this when I want to commit seppuku......:p

[Kof_Andy]

I'll gladly be your kaishaku Yama Tombo:P

[bcullen]

I noticed the single stab but had artributed it to Katsumoto being so badly wounded that it was all he could do. Very few ever completed the ritual hence the need for the kaishaku. To actually complete the ritual you had to stoically (i.e. with no sign of emotion or pain) completely disembowel yourself. Either by pre- arranged sign or if your kaishaku saw that you could not continue he would end the ritual before you lost honor. Truly a positon of great trust and a great honor to be asked to do so.