Kickboxing is no martial art

[wisdom]

What makes kickboxing a martial art?

its just a sport

......any one agree or disagree

[JediMasterChris]

What makes Judo a martial art? It's just a sport.

[Andy Murray]

It's a sport with a lot of art behind it, originating in the American format from Karate.

You could say the art is in the skill involved, just as in the 'sweet science' of boxing?

[wisdom]

Judo is an art but now a days its mainly taught as asport i can tell you dont know much

[JediMasterChris]

I knew that.....

But if you consider Kickboxing to not be an art, and Judo to be an art, whats that saying? They are both sports.

Pardon? I don't know much?

Take a look at your grammar and spelling buddy.


Wisdom, if you don't treat people more respectfully you will get banned.

[LilBunnyRabbit]

Why exactly can't a sport be an art?

[Trent Tiemeyer]

Wisdom, your profile says your art of choice is TKD, which is a martial sport all its own.

And keep the insults to yourself, or everyone will see the inherent irony of your screen name.

[Skinneh]

Who cares what it is... its fun and im having a blast :D

[LilBunnyRabbit]

Well done Skinny, you've just discovered the true meaning behind martial arts. I'm prouda ya. :)

[wisdom]

so ur a mush

[JediMasterChris]

Guys, be careful, he's a "samurai" he told me so in chat
:D

A samurai who does Jeet Kune Do and Kendo...


wisdom..... you asked for our opinion, so why are you being rude?

[Skinneh]

I would talk in the chat ..... but noooo ... isp at works sucks so much it takes 25 minutes to send a msg.

[Maximicus]

A martial art is an art of fighting period. If you practice in a way of fighting, you doin' MA. Thats why there are more martial arts that one can count (go ahead and try). Kick Boxing and Judo both can be used in a fight, both are practiced, both are arts, both are martial. TA-DA!!:D

[Skinneh]

...... edit....... ill be nice :Angel:

[Virtuous]

Martial art
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.


Martial arts also known as fighting systems, are bodies of codified practices or traditions of unarmed and armed combat, often with the goal of developing both the character of the practitioner as well as the mindful, appropriate, controlled use of bodily force.

The martial arts, due to a century of exaggerated, exoticized portrayals in popular media (see orientalism), have been inextricably bound in the Western imagination to East Asian cultures and people, but it would be incorrect to say the martial arts are unique to Asia. Humans have always had to develop ways to defend themselves from attack, often without weapons, so it would not be correct to think that unarmed combat originated from East Asia. But what differentiates the martial arts from mere unarmed brawling is largely this codification or standardization of practices and traditions, many times in routines called forms (also called kata, kuen, tao lu, or hyung), and above all, the controlled, mindful application of force and empirical effectiveness. In this sense, boxing, fencing, archery, and wrestling can also be considered martial arts.

Thus, the history of martial arts is both long and universal. Martial arts likely existed in every culture, and at all classes and levels of society, from the family unit up to small communities, for instance, villages and even ethnic groups. One example is tantui, a northern Chinese kicking art, often said to be practiced among Chinese Muslims. Systems of fighting have likely been in development since learning became transferable among humans, along with the strategies of conflict and war. In the West, some of the oldest written material on the subject is from the European 1400s, and written by notable teachers like Hans Talhoffer and George Silver. Some transcripts of yet older texts have survived, the oldest being a manuscript going by the name of I.33 and dating from the late 1200s.

In recent times, various attempts at reviving historical martial arts have been done. One example of such historical martial arts reconstruction is Pankration, which comes from the Greek (pan, meaning all, kratos, meaning power or strength).

"Martial arts" was translated in 1920 in Takenobu's Japanese-English Dictionary from Japanese bu-gei or bu-jutsu (•��p) that means "the craft/accomplishment of military affairs". This definition is translated directly from the Chinese term, wushu (Cantonese, mou seut), literally, martial techniques, meaning all manner of Chinese martial arts.


Since kick boxing has standard techniques for kicking, blocking, punching, evasions makes it a systematized style of fighting. This is the only attribute required for something to be considered a martial art.

Yeesh I guess that means Turkish wrestling is a MA as well. Oh well, you win some and you lose some :).

[Dark Blade]

Originally posted by JediMasterChris
Guys, be careful, he's a "samurai" he told me so in chat
:D

A samurai who does Jeet Kune Do and Kendo...


wisdom..... you asked for our opinion, so why are you being rude?


ROFLMAO



Hey wisdom...why don't you pull your head out of your @** and shut the $%$^ up!


If I'm not allowed to say that, please freel free to delete that part.
lol :)

[Grifter]

Originally posted by JediMasterChris
Guys, be careful, he's a "samurai" he told me so in chat
:D

A samurai who does Jeet Kune Do and Kendo...


wisdom..... you asked for our opinion, so why are you being rude?

HAHA So the style he studies is "Samurai" , hes what 14 accordin to his profile and his occupation is 'collage' .Whatever that is, but thats also what his profile says. Anyway I think hes qualified to deciede weather or not kickboxing is a MA.:rolleyes: :woo: :woo: :woo:

[47Ronin]

Birthday: June 9, 1987
Martial Arts Style: Taekwondo - mainly a sport..........
Biography: awaiting to be the greates martial artist of all time - LMAO
Location: uk - :D
Interests: martial arts only - and watching anime
Occupation: collage - What kind of pics will be in it? Ohhh, you mean college, well I don't think that if you can't spell college you are in it. Since when did they take 16 year olds in college?

[peacfulwarrior]

The way I see it is that Martial Arts revolve around fighting or defending oneself from harm. In Kickboxing, TKD and Judo you do do this pretty well if trained properly.






http://www.martialonline.net/download/gifs/images/combat_10.gif

[Hakko-Ryu]

what the hell is this? you tell that to a Muay thai kickboxer that he has no 'art'...he'll show you a good lesson in "art"...the art of BREAKING your LEG with a SHIN KICK...or what about the art of KNOCKING YOU TFO (the f@$% out) with a nice MT round kick to the face? or what about the art of placing a flying knee to your temple....what about...ok....i can go on forever...what the hell is an art to you? stick with your 'crayons' for your art

[Trent Tiemeyer]

Nananana Nananana Hey Hey Hey...

GOODBYE.

[Kof_Andy]

Kick Boxing is effective combat art, but I wouldnt consider it martial art. There is no mind, body, and soul being involed during training. There simply training for fighting only there for there fighters, not martial artist. You cannot claim to be a martial artist without moral principles.

[Trent Tiemeyer]

Since when?

[LilBunnyRabbit]

I'm sorry, martial artists are supposed to have moral principles? What principles exactly are they supposed to have? Does the fact that I don't believe in honour mean that I'm not a martial artist?

Which principles are necessary for a martial artist? What beliefs would stop someone being a martial artist?

[YODA]

The guy at our local ABA Boxing gym spends a great deal of time wioth the kids there - teaching them that Boxing is an honourable game and trying to instill into them moral values. He's not trying to force an antiquated oriental warrior code onto them - but he does seem to be having a very beneficial effect on them.

Then again - Boxing's just a sport - right?

[Trent Tiemeyer]

My first martial arts instructor was a hard-partying cokehead who felt up high school girls.

My first boxing coach was a preacher.

[KickChick]

Originally posted by wisdom
What makes kickboxing a martial art?

its just a sport

......any one agree or disagree

... don't know why I bother sometime but.....

It is a a fact that many people train in martial arts primarily for self-defense and have never used sport training methods then there are those who have never explored "traditional" martial "art" training, it is easy to discount the effectiveness of each other.

Boxing, Wrestling, Judo, Tae Kwon Do (WTF-style), and Kickboxing are examples of martial "sports"..... merely different training methods

[Skinneh]

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[Skinneh]

I dont see a point in argueing things that cannot be proven. Its like arguing wether or not there should be a death penalty ect.... I feel bad that it bothers you so much that you have to come and make a post about it... when you could be doing more productive things...

... like not spreading your seed as to infect the rest of the world with your narrowmindness ?( wtf how do i spell that word ?? )..

People spend so much time trying to prove they are right... or argue stupid things when instead, you could be doing something else that would bring you joy :D ( making babies so you can put them in a punching bag for example )...

[Andy Murray]

Originally posted by Kof_Andy
Kick Boxing is effective combat art, but I wouldnt consider it martial art. There is no mind, body, and soul being involed during training. There simply training for fighting only there for there fighters, not martial artist. You cannot claim to be a martial artist without moral principles.

Andy, I think you better have another go at explaining yourself.

I presume you've been involved in Kickboxing of some kind?

[47Ronin]

The guy was just trolling so now we are all yelling at eachother. He was banned, can we hold hands now?:D

[Dark Blade]

Yay!!!!
:D

[YODA]

{{{{Group Hug}}}}

[Dark Blade]

:love: :cry: I love you guys!!!:love: :cry:

[zun]

Dark Blade - too much beer? :D

[Andy Murray]

Originally posted by Dark Blade
:love: :cry: I love you guys!!!:love: :cry:

Watch it DB, the other forums are talking about us. :p

[Skinneh]

*takes notes*

[totality]

*slaps skinny in the head with a rock*

what're you taking notes one???? i haven't even posted in this thread yet! :D

[Dark Blade]

I think he was taking notes on my strange behaviour...

*picks up a banana and eats it, while hanging from a tree and poking the tree with a stick*
DB WANT EAT!

[Saz]

Gotta admire the way this thread has gone from an arguement to trademark MAP insanity in just a few posts :D ;)

[Kwajman]

What did someone say about weird behavior in another thread? Who's been eating the deodorant?

[Dark Blade]

*Looks guilty*

[Skinneh]

Merry Christmas fools !! :D

[Bulldog]

I think anything is an art when one is expressing oneself for no other reason...

It's a sport when you are competing for a prize...

But, they can be interchanged...or combined...

...but, I hope that makes some sense...

WOW...

That has to be my shortest post EVER! LOL :)

[Yan]

Originally posted by 47Ronin
Since when did they take 16 year olds in college?

I went to Merton College in morden (south london) at 15 and still going.

Didn't mean to contradict you though, you're right. You cant spel colage, you shuoldntt bee thereer

-yani

[RJ_Bushido]

I don't know if Kickboxing is an arts as such, because it's got no forms and it's not disiplined but it's lots of fun, and i do it cause it's got no forms in it, but thats just me.

[Yan]

'not disciplined'

You should come and train in our dojo mate, then we'll see where the discipline's at.

-yani

[hwardo]

The guy who started this thread got banned for being a troll. Maybe we should all live and let live on this one.

[Ghost Frog]

Is trolling a sport or a martial art?

;)

[Guerilla Fists]

Originally posted by hwardo
The guy who started this thread got banned for being a troll. Maybe we should all live and let live on this one.

ironically, his screen name was "wisdom." Hmmm, didn't seem to display the qualities of widom if he got himself banned. whoops. Of course, if one did get banned one could always reapply from a different e-mail address with a new s/n and personality...(suspicious eyes darting back and forth).

[wayofthedragon]

This is the way I see it, a martial artist is a person
meaning that he is a martial-----artist
So if a person is a martial artist.....he can use what ever he practices for what ever he wants to, he is a martial-----artist
Bear in mind that it was a martial artist who created kickboxing...
and judo.....and all the others too.
The created it.....because that's what artist do right....they have creativity, and imagination, and they put it all to use in their art right? So, kick boxing is what ever the artist makes of it for himself, so is judo, so is boxing, wrestling, fencing, kendo, karate, tae kwan do, kung fu, jeet kune do, and whatever else
Okay, I'll just shut up:(

[Knight_Errant]

<ivory tower intellectual mode>The problem is, when most people think 'art' they think 'representational art', i.e. the dead art of conventions and cosmetics that people like the fluxus collective tried so hard to free you all from, you philistines!.</ivory tower intellectual mode>

A lot of people talk about art without any real conception of what art actually is. High art is an expression in material terms of the internal condition of the human soul. This has nothing to do with formalism, conventions and mindless acceptance of representational norms.

I'm not 100% convinced that the ideas of high art can be translated into the terms of combat and learning. The point is that the concepts of 'art' are really not that important for the kind of person who asks questions like 'is kickboxing a martial art?' (yes it is. Go away.). Working on their basic artistic skills, i.e. their general athleticism and technique is much more important.

[TheMasterSword]

i agree with both wayofthedragon (i too am a bruce fan) and random....

here are my thoughts.. the very word martial art is an oxymoron.... how can something thats martial and combative be an art....

however, art in terms of an asian thinking and western are different... for instance when we think about calligraphy over here we think "oh that's nice way to write something" but in asian thinking calligraphy is much like a way of life..... asian calligraphists don't go calligraphy because they want an advertisment or a certification to look nice and formal... they do it for the very act itself... it is done for the enjoyment of the act, putting one's emotions and experiences into each and every brushstroke till the finale.... martial artists are the same way (at least i hope you are the same way) we devote hours and hours training ourselves not because in the end we will become some super hero (at least i hope you don't)... its for the enjoyment of the act itself... personally i love kickboxing... i love the attacks the finesse involved every single aspect of it is great.... and being a kickboxing and martial art enthusiast i can honestly say that there is beauty in a kick, punch, strike and striving to perfect it... this is what makes it a martial art

[totality]

kickbxoing isss np art, teh only rale martjial art is berzilian jujubes, stirkers suxx0rs much.

[shootodog]

yes it is!

[MD5]

Doesn't people just think that a real MA must have uniforms and sport fight have boxing gloves? I am saying non-MA background people in general.

[Kenshin Himura]

kick boxing is a sport not a MA.It is taught that way. Muey Thai is a MA.

[Hybrid_Killer]

kick boxing is a sport not a MA.It is taught that way. Muey Thai is a MA.

Why do you say that? They both have some similar techniques.Nowadays training in a regular gym,the muay thai training is not as tough as it was in Thailand(generalising i know but imo true).They are also competed in sporting events.

So what makes you say muay thai is a martial art and kb isnt?

[Yukimushu]

What makes kickboxing a martial art?

its just a sport

......any one agree or disagree

hehe what a dork ;)

[shootodog]

What makes kickboxing a martial art?

its just a sport

......any one agree or disagree

evidently, you've never had your @ss handed to you by a muay thai guy.

[mattsylvester]

Muay Thai is not 'kickboxing'.

Kickboxing is an amalgamation of western styles and boxing and was created in the early 70's by people such as Bill Wallace, Chuck Norris, Benny Urquidez etc to allow them to fight full contact following certain rules.

evidently, you've never had your @ss handed to you by a muay thai guy.

[mattsylvester]

Just in case people you really should steer away from taking the mickey out of people's spelling. Dyslexia is a very common problem and not a nice one to have.

Birthday: June 9, 1987
Martial Arts Style: Taekwondo - mainly a sport..........
Biography: awaiting to be the greates martial artist of all time - LMAO
Location: uk - :D
Interests: martial arts only - and watching anime
Occupation: collage - What kind of pics will be in it? Ohhh, you mean college, well I don't think that if you can't spell college you are in it. Since when did they take 16 year olds in college?

[chungmoomonkey]

the whooe reason i love ma is cuz it is both a sport and an art and kickboxen is