hello to all

[bios69]

Hello, just a few line to introduce myself.
I'm an italian martial arts aficionado.
I've been praticing kick boxing in the early 90ties and the wing tsun kung fu (Leung Ting methode).
At the moment I don't follow any formal martial arts class, I train alone and am in a researching phase.
I also had some street fight experience (3) one with multiple attackers and I am positive my even limited knowledge helped me for a big part.
I've been collecting/getting infos about pentjack silat and I managed to get my hands on various materials (DVD) of the best stylist out there:
Plinck Sera, Orlando kuntao Silat, PDT, Inosanto Maphilindo, De Thouars Victor, Stephen Benitez of Walisongo, The french Silat series warriors of Ciung Wanara, Harimau and lastly Mubay Silat. (and others)
I can share impression about these works and also write some review for someone interested.
Ciao,
Sergio

[silatliam]

Hi Sergio

How are you keeping? Hows is your researching going?

Liam (Dublin)

[bios69]

Hi Sergio

How are you keeping? Hows is your researching going?

Liam (Dublin)

Regards M. Silatliam thanks for your answer
well, I must say that has been a pretty interesting subject to research about.
Honestly I, in general, enjoyed most of the stylists/masters that I had the opportunity to watch.
With some few exceptions.
Cimande Pusaka Silat was a kind a good surprise. In tne internet world Mr Sanders has fans but also other people that adice to stay far.
I liked his teaching, especially the old Panthers series.
I found Pendekar Sanders a skilled fighter and very wise to explain concepts as well as at actually performing the teqniques too.
I wasn't impressed by Guro Plinck, for what I saw.
I know he has a really a great reputation as being a very fine teacher and probably the most experienced of the Paul De Thouars followers. But, I don't know, I saw his series on Serak (the new one) and I expected more. Ripetitive and not well organized, I expected more. I read his teaching is higher then the normal standard so maybe it's me that doesn't have the essential tools...but I honestly reported my impression.
Pendekar Benitez, from UK, and his Walisongo are very very interesting and beatifully realised (dvd quality I mean).
Very skilled and erudite man.
I appreciated Inosanto version (Maphilindo) especially the series of Spezzano Luna a fine woman very good: She explain most of the essential background in her 2 dvd series and she also is an instructor for Benitez Walisongo (for groundfighting).
I am very impressed by Mr Kruk Harimau, but I still do not know enough.
I don't go on , cause maybe my impressions bother someone or, worse, make someone angry or disappointed.
Today I'll go on with the Mubai Silat. The material is really harsh and scary to watch. I have to be careful not to be my wife around...if she sees someone cutting ..throats like they do, will think I'm more crazy then what I am in reality.
Take care,
Sergio

[Gajah Silat]

Welcome Sergio,

Always nice to hear a new voice and get a new perspective:)

Which Steven Plinck material have you seen? I've only seen one DVD but I was impressed and like his approach(apart from the 'real life' scenario bit at the start;)) Sometimes DVDs don't do people justice...kind of like photos, they always catch us with an unusual expression:rolleyes:

Anyway, my advice. Concentrate on the Silat and stay out of the politics.

Secondly, be patient with silat, it reveals itself at it's own pace and is not for the impatient. The beauty is it will always give you a 'lightbulb moment' every now and again:).

And Liam. nice to 'see' you again. I think we have all stayed away to let the dust settle. I hope you are well.

Cheers

[bios69]

Welcome Sergio,

Always nice to hear a new voice and get a new perspective:)

Which Steven Plinck material have you seen? I've only seen one DVD but I was impressed and like his approach(apart from the 'real life' scenario bit at the start;)) Sometimes DVDs don't do people justice...kind of like photos, they always catch us with an unusual expression:rolleyes:

Anyway, my advice. Concentrate on the Silat and stay out of the politics.

Secondly, be patient with silat, it reveals itself at it's own pace and is not for the impatient. The beauty is it will always give you a 'lightbulb moment' every now and again:).

And Liam. nice to 'see' you again. I think we have all stayed away to let the dust settle. I hope you are well.

Cheers

Hello GajahSilat,
thanks for your message.
I think the dvd/vhs you watched was a little old, about the Bukti Negara art, I guess.
That video generally got great reviews from many people, but I haven' t seen it because it is a little difficult to find on dvd.
My series is SERAK SERIES (3 DVD) - by Lexington film, filmed a little bit after 9/11.
The undertitle is : Pukulan Penjak Silat Serak.
Maybe it wasn't very clear in my message, but I do respect and like silat at the most.
It is very effective and seem very enjoyble and amusing to pratice too.
I heard about this "politics" as you american call them.
In wing chun we are/were expert about politics (anyway I don't consider myself a wc man anymore).
As I wrote, I do not belong to any organization so I judge what I see with my eyes , and if something is not as good as I thought I express my point of view and I am very happy if someone make me see poins that I had missed.
It is very true, as you told, that it is difficult to judge from mere pictures o dvds, I totally agree. They are only small windows.
Anyway I never put the value of the teacher in doubt because of a dvd.
But, because you pay, you have the right to express.
Then, as I wrotemost of the material I had the chance to watch was very good.
Another example: I bought the Victor de Thours series filmed at VDT Academy.
Well there are 6 dvd and Mr Victor performs only 3-4 teqnique in total????
The rest his (talented) students.But he is in the covers, not the students.
Myself then thinks: maybe he can't perform them???!!!!
What is the best dvd of his series?? That one with Enciclopedia/Dan Inosanto (his guest for the series). We all know Mr Inosanto but for Mr De Thouars, what a disappointment!!!!
These is not politics, and do not live in the US and do not promote anyone. Here in Italy we have Maltese and now the Bela Diri Suffian guy I saw on you tube (very good indeed).
Take care,
S.

[Gajah Silat]

;)Hi Sergio,

Didn't mean to offend!

I am hoping to attend a seminar with Guru Maul Mornie of SSBD this year if life, work and family allows, and I have been in contact with one of Guru Maltese's students who comes over to the UK to train with the De Bordes school.....mainly an invite for curry:)

Sorry, didn't know you are an ex "Chunner"......I believe you guys have had your share of politics...say no more;)

I haven't seen any of the Guru Plinck DVDs you mention so I cannot comment but the it was the BN one. However, I have heard that the VDT series contain very little from the man himself......

By the way.......I'm not American:p:eek::D

Ciao

[bios69]

;)Hi Sergio,

Didn't mean to offend!

I am hoping to attend a seminar with Guru Maul Mornie of SSBD this year if life, work and family allows, and I have been in contact with one of Guru Maltese's students who comes over to the UK to train with the De Bordes school.....mainly an invite for curry:)

Sorry, didn't know you are an ex "Chunner"......I believe you guys have had your share of politics...say no more;)

I haven't seen any of the Guru Plinck DVDs you mention so I cannot comment but the it was the BN one. However, I have heard that the VDT series contain very little from the man himself......

By the way.......I'm not American:p:eek::D

Ciao

Sorry for my tone I wasn' offended.. understand ...my (not too good) english, if you will.
I saw in your profile you are british ..sorry anyway I like americans a lot too. (just to clarify).
Till next time.

[Gajah Silat]

Sorry for my tone I wasn' offended.. understand ...my (not too good) english, if you will.
I saw in your profile you are british ..sorry anyway I like americans a lot too. (just to clarify).
Till next time.

LOL, no offence taken whatsoever and your written English is excellent:) Don't worry:)

[silatliam]

Hi Martin

Good to hear from you, yeah took a little bit of time out, to clear my head. I think that was a crazy few months, good to see it seems to have settle down.

Still training away having a good time, two of my students went to see Guru Maul in Feb, both said they had a great training session. Hows things yourself anything new happening?

Liam

[tellner]

Guru Plinck is a Silat player and a teacher, not a videographer. The DVDs were not professionally shot and were meant more as training reminders for his students than for general use.

In person? That's a whole different thing. I've been around the block a few times and have stayed with him for close to sixteen years now because of the quality of instruction and his skill at what he does.

As to the other material I don't know that much.

Bob Orlando is a good solid player. He spent a lot of time with Willem de Thouars and learned a lot. His books are as good as anyone's out there, and the bits of his DVDs I've seen have been well done.

Paul de Thouars does not do much teaching these days. He's not exactly a young man, and he's had a number of injuries over the years. His skills speak for themselves. No explanation or apologies needed. We have his old Bukti Negara tapes somewhere. They're not really general instruction tapes and are really badly shot.

Dan Inosanto is a legend, and his legend rests on strongest of foundations. He's been everywhere, done everything and mastered most of it. That includes his Silat. Maphilindo is a kind of odd beast. He originally didn't want to stick a label on it. It was just bits and pieces of the various Silat he had done. But eventually he did. Now people are teaching it as a specific style. The quality depends entirely on the teacher. Some teach it very systematically. Others toss individual techniques into what they do. Never seen the tapes.

I haven't been terribly impressed with Victor de Thouars' tapes or books. His considerable strengths are not in making teaching material. With that I'll just shut my damn mouth and avoid extra helpings of trouble. I do know someone who has his entire teaching material set, Tongkat and Serak, and is willing to give a good package deal for the whole thing. If you're interested contact me by private message.

It's been a long time since I saw any Wali Songo Silat in person. The video material I saw was well produced, but what they were showing at that time was more athletic and exuberant than a useful guide to training. That may well have changed. The groundwork I was exposed to was solid. Ignore the legends about Alexander the Great and Chingiz Khan. They're just origin myths.

Don't know anything about the French series.

Silat Mubai has changed names a couple times since I last had any contact with Hussein. It's now called Silat Sharaf. The material wasn't bad at all. He really works hard at what he does and takes it seriously. There were other reasons I broke off contact with him. If they've changed, then he would be worth checking out. If they haven't I would avoid the organization. Don't really want to say anything more on the subject.

[bios69]

Guru Plinck is a Silat player and a teacher, not a videographer. The DVDs were not professionally shot and were meant more as training reminders for his students than for general use.

In person? That's a whole different thing. I've been around the block a few times and have stayed with him for close to sixteen years now because of the quality of instruction and his skill at what he does.

As to the other material I don't know that much.

Bob Orlando is a good solid player. He spent a lot of time with Willem de Thouars and learned a lot. His books are as good as anyone's out there, and the bits of his DVDs I've seen have been well done.

Paul de Thouars does not do much teaching these days. He's not exactly a young man, and he's had a number of injuries over the years. His skills speak for themselves. No explanation or apologies needed. We have his old Bukti Negara tapes somewhere. They're not really general instruction tapes and are really badly shot.

Dan Inosanto is a legend, and his legend rests on strongest of foundations. He's been everywhere, done everything and mastered most of it. That includes his Silat. Maphilindo is a kind of odd beast. He originally didn't want to stick a label on it. It was just bits and pieces of the various Silat he had done. But eventually he did. Now people are teaching it as a specific style. The quality depends entirely on the teacher. Some teach it very systematically. Others toss individual techniques into what they do. Never seen the tapes.

I haven't been terribly impressed with Victor de Thouars' tapes or books. His considerable strengths are not in making teaching material. With that I'll just shut my damn mouth and avoid extra helpings of trouble. I do know someone who has his entire teaching material set, Tongkat and Serak, and is willing to give a good package deal for the whole thing. If you're interested contact me by private message.

It's been a long time since I saw any Wali Songo Silat in person. The video material I saw was well produced, but what they were showing at that time was more athletic and exuberant than a useful guide to training. That may well have changed. The groundwork I was exposed to was solid. Ignore the legends about Alexander the Great and Chingiz Khan. They're just origin myths.

Don't know anything about the French series.

Silat Mubai has changed names a couple times since I last had any contact with Hussein. It's now called Silat Sharaf. The material wasn't bad at all. He really works hard at what he does and takes it seriously. There were other reasons I broke off contact with him. If they've changed, then he would be worth checking out. If they haven't I would avoid the organization. Don't really want to say anything more on the subject.

Thanks for you poin tellner.
I mostly, for my small side, agree with your impressions.
Having you such a deep knowledge of Guro Plinck, definitively your impressions are more valuable the watching a dvd (used for referance as you ointed). It is a pity, because the producer makes professinal movies and the price wasn' at all cheap.
My only obiection is that if you want to make a low profile production then you must have a special eye to the price. If I don' remember wrong I paied them a lot and that's something you have to consider. Anyway nobody forced me to buy and, in the end, I prefer to have something in my hands (to al least see a little bit of the art) then completely dark.
Orlano book and videos are very well done and the man is really skilled. Honestly some langka videos (Ihe made a series of 4) are a little...boring to watch, at least for me but that's my inpression.

Paul de Thouars: very difficult to find material: I found a dvd seminar shot in 90ties or around that time with Inosanto and Sirasute. I saw something there that I liked. I bought on yhe net a series from 91 92 with jurus and application. Tha guy told me they are 8 dvd probably very hard to find.
they are not arrived here but I am very keen to see them.
I completely agree for the Benitez Wali Songo good art but not so good teaching.
I would like your opinion about Simonet Serak; I know it has been tought from V de thiours (probably not so much directly) and I own all his serak videos also the advanced ones. I know his reputation isn't so good for serak because he mostly is kempo then a little wing chun (hard stile I would say) but I liked his way of teaching. Clear an concise.
I have something from Suwanda but it's too difficult to frasp from videos. He uses (used) a lot of locks very nice to see but very hard to replicate. In his videos I recognised a very young Tarani and Burton Richardson) and noticed that even the had trouble to apply his (wonderful) leg locks.
For the package eventually I will send a pm.
Thanks for sharing.
S.

[bios69]

Guru Plinck is a Silat player and a teacher, not a videographer. The DVDs were not professionally shot and were meant more as training reminders for his students than for general use.

In person? That's a whole different thing. I've been around the block a few times and have stayed with him for close to sixteen years now because of the quality of instruction and his skill at what he does.

As to the other material I don't know that much.

Bob Orlando is a good solid player. He spent a lot of time with Willem de Thouars and learned a lot. His books are as good as anyone's out there, and the bits of his DVDs I've seen have been well done.

Paul de Thouars does not do much teaching these days. He's not exactly a young man, and he's had a number of injuries over the years. His skills speak for themselves. No explanation or apologies needed. We have his old Bukti Negara tapes somewhere. They're not really general instruction tapes and are really badly shot.

Dan Inosanto is a legend, and his legend rests on strongest of foundations. He's been everywhere, done everything and mastered most of it. That includes his Silat. Maphilindo is a kind of odd beast. He originally didn't want to stick a label on it. It was just bits and pieces of the various Silat he had done. But eventually he did. Now people are teaching it as a specific style. The quality depends entirely on the teacher. Some teach it very systematically. Others toss individual techniques into what they do. Never seen the tapes.

I haven't been terribly impressed with Victor de Thouars' tapes or books. His considerable strengths are not in making teaching material. With that I'll just shut my damn mouth and avoid extra helpings of trouble. I do know someone who has his entire teaching material set, Tongkat and Serak, and is willing to give a good package deal for the whole thing. If you're interested contact me by private message.

It's been a long time since I saw any Wali Songo Silat in person. The video material I saw was well produced, but what they were showing at that time was more athletic and exuberant than a useful guide to training. That may well have changed. The groundwork I was exposed to was solid. Ignore the legends about Alexander the Great and Chingiz Khan. They're just origin myths.

Don't know anything about the French series.

Silat Mubai has changed names a couple times since I last had any contact with Hussein. It's now called Silat Sharaf. The material wasn't bad at all. He really works hard at what he does and takes it seriously. There were other reasons I broke off contact with him. If they've changed, then he would be worth checking out. If they haven't I would avoid the organization. Don't really want to say anything more on the subject.

Thanks for you poin tellner.
I mostly, for my small side, agree with your impressions.
Having you such a deep knowledge of Guro Plinck, definitively your impressions are more valuable the watching a dvd (used for referance as you ointed). It is a pity, because the producer makes professinal movies and the price wasn' at all cheap.
My only obiection is that if you want to make a low profile production then you must have a special eye to the price. If I don' remember wrong I paied them a lot and that's something you have to consider. Anyway nobody forced me to buy and, in the end, I prefer to have something in my hands (to al least see a little bit of the art) then completely dark.
Orlano book and videos are very well done and the man is really skilled. Honestly some langka videos (Ihe made a series of 4) are a little...boring to watch, at least for me but that's my inpression.

Paul de Thouars: very difficult to find material: I found a dvd seminar shot in 90ties or around that time with Inosanto and Sirasute. I saw something there that I liked. I bought on yhe net a series from 91 92 with jurus and application. Tha guy told me they are 8 dvd probably very hard to find.
they are not arrived here but I am very keen to see them.
I completely agree for the Benitez Wali Songo good art but not so good teaching.
I would like your opinion about Simonet Serak; I know it has been tought from V de thiours (probably not so much directly) and I own all his serak videos also the advanced ones. I know his reputation isn't so good for serak because he mostly is kempo then a little wing chun (hard stile I would say) but I liked his way of teaching. Clear an concise.
I have something from Suwanda but it's too difficult to frasp from videos. He uses (used) a lot of locks very nice to see but very hard to replicate. In his videos I recognised a very young Tarani and Burton Richardson) and noticed that even the had trouble to apply his (wonderful) leg locks.
For the package eventually I will send a pm.
Thanks for sharing.
S.

[bios69]

Guru Plinck is a Silat player and a teacher, not a videographer. The DVDs were not professionally shot and were meant more as training reminders for his students than for general use.

In person? That's a whole different thing. I've been around the block a few times and have stayed with him for close to sixteen years now because of the quality of instruction and his skill at what he does.

As to the other material I don't know that much.

Bob Orlando is a good solid player. He spent a lot of time with Willem de Thouars and learned a lot. His books are as good as anyone's out there, and the bits of his DVDs I've seen have been well done.

Paul de Thouars does not do much teaching these days. He's not exactly a young man, and he's had a number of injuries over the years. His skills speak for themselves. No explanation or apologies needed. We have his old Bukti Negara tapes somewhere. They're not really general instruction tapes and are really badly shot.

Dan Inosanto is a legend, and his legend rests on strongest of foundations. He's been everywhere, done everything and mastered most of it. That includes his Silat. Maphilindo is a kind of odd beast. He originally didn't want to stick a label on it. It was just bits and pieces of the various Silat he had done. But eventually he did. Now people are teaching it as a specific style. The quality depends entirely on the teacher. Some teach it very systematically. Others toss individual techniques into what they do. Never seen the tapes.

I haven't been terribly impressed with Victor de Thouars' tapes or books. His considerable strengths are not in making teaching material. With that I'll just shut my damn mouth and avoid extra helpings of trouble. I do know someone who has his entire teaching material set, Tongkat and Serak, and is willing to give a good package deal for the whole thing. If you're interested contact me by private message.

It's been a long time since I saw any Wali Songo Silat in person. The video material I saw was well produced, but what they were showing at that time was more athletic and exuberant than a useful guide to training. That may well have changed. The groundwork I was exposed to was solid. Ignore the legends about Alexander the Great and Chingiz Khan. They're just origin myths.

Don't know anything about the French series.

Silat Mubai has changed names a couple times since I last had any contact with Hussein. It's now called Silat Sharaf. The material wasn't bad at all. He really works hard at what he does and takes it seriously. There were other reasons I broke off contact with him. If they've changed, then he would be worth checking out. If they haven't I would avoid the organization. Don't really want to say anything more on the subject.

Thanks for you point tellner.
I mostly, for my small side, agree with your impressions.
Having you such a deep knowledge of Guro Plinck, definitively your impressions are more valuable the watching a dvd (used for referance as you ointed). It is a pity, because the producer makes professinal movies and the price wasn' at all cheap.
My only obiection is that if you want to make a low profile production then you must have a special eye to the price. If I don' remember wrong I paied them a lot and that's something you have to consider. Anyway nobody forced me to buy and, in the end, I prefer to have something in my hands (to al least see a little bit of the art) then completely dark.
Orlano book and videos are very well done and the man is really skilled. Honestly some langka videos (Ihe made a series of 4) are a little...boring to watch, at least for me but that's my inpression.

Paul de Thouars: very difficult to find material: I found a dvd seminar shot in 90ties or around that time with Inosanto and Sirasute. I saw something there that I liked. I bought on yhe net a series from 91 92 with jurus and application. Tha guy told me they are 8 dvd probably very hard to find.
they are not arrived here but I am very keen to see them.
I completely agree for the Benitez Wali Songo good art but not so good teaching.
I would like your opinion about Simonet Serak; I know it has been tought from V de thiours (probably not so much directly) and I own all his serak videos also the advanced ones. I know his reputation isn't so good for serak because he mostly is kempo then a little wing chun (hard stile I would say) but I liked his way of teaching. Clear an concise.
I have something from Suwanda but it's too difficult to frasp from videos. He uses (used) a lot of locks very nice to see but very hard to replicate. In his videos I recognised a very young Tarani and Burton Richardson) and noticed that even the had trouble to apply his (wonderful) leg locks.
For the package eventually I will send a pm.
Thanks for sharing.
S.

[tellner]

Joe Simonet's Silat tapes are not crap.

If they were crap you could compost them and use them to fertilize flowers.

First off, he did some Tongkat, but never studied Sera. According not only to Victor but to a couple of Victor's former senior students his Sera training consists of a video of the juru juru. I tried to do a review for one of the better martial arts magazines and started off with a ten to twelve hour marathon of watching his first two tapes with liberal use of the pause and rewind buttons. My wife does not drink. It gives her stabbing pains in the salivary glands, and besides she's Muslim. She had to get lightly toasted to sit through the tapes with me.

It was a very unpleasant experience getting inside his head. Let's leave aside the insults,that fighting with Sera is "like putting shoes on a snake" and his stated contempt for the material. Two hours of "six foot-something Joe tosses around five foot-nothing Addy" left the impression that Silat was mostly useful for big guys beating up small girls.

They get just about everything wrong. The rather bizarre and tortured way he does each juru exhibits really poor body mechanics and a lot of tension. I could barely recognize the form on a few of them. He has no idea what he's supposed to be doing, how it's supposed to work or even how basic footwork is supposed to be used.

One of the strangest things is his stance. There are reasons to have your weight mostly on one foot at various times. An experienced student does it by moving the whole torso slightly forward, relaxing the lower back so the spine straightens slightly and keeping the shoulders over the hips. A beginner leans forwards from the waist. I swear he must have had a huge crocodile's tail photoshopped out in post-production. That's the only way you could lean forward so far so long without getting terminal lower back pain.

You'd be better off spending the money on cheesy Internet porn. At least you'd get a healthy rush of endorphins or two.

[tellner]

I'm really sorry that the DVDs were not too helpful. There's a couple people working with him on some other options to make a new set that is less expensive and better quality. With some luck I'll be posting clips that will allow you to "try before you buy".

[bios69]

Joe Simonet's Silat tapes are not crap.

If they were crap you could compost them and use them to fertilize flowers.

First off, he did some Tongkat, but never studied Sera. According not only to Victor but to a couple of Victor's former senior students his Sera training consists of a video of the juru juru. I tried to do a review for one of the better martial arts magazines and started off with a ten to twelve hour marathon of watching his first two tapes with liberal use of the pause and rewind buttons. My wife does not drink. It gives her stabbing pains in the salivary glands, and besides she's Muslim. She had to get lightly toasted to sit through the tapes with me.

It was a very unpleasant experience getting inside his head. Let's leave aside the insults,that fighting with Sera is "like putting shoes on a snake" and his stated contempt for the material. Two hours of "six foot-something Joe tosses around five foot-nothing Addy" left the impression that Silat was mostly useful for big guys beating up small girls.

They get just about everything wrong. The rather bizarre and tortured way he does each juru exhibits really poor body mechanics and a lot of tension. I could barely recognize the form on a few of them. He has no idea what he's supposed to be doing, how it's supposed to work or even how basic footwork is supposed to be used.

One of the strangest things is his stance. There are reasons to have your weight mostly on one foot at various times. An experienced student does it by moving the whole torso slightly forward, relaxing the lower back so the spine straightens slightly and keeping the shoulders over the hips. A beginner leans forwards from the waist. I swear he must have had a huge crocodile's tail photoshopped out in post-production. That's the only way you could lean forward so far so long without getting terminal lower back pain.

You'd be better off spending the money on cheesy Internet porn. At least you'd get a healthy rush of endorphins or two.

Thank you for your opinion: I urge to point that I am not a silat praticioner or student; I praticed kickboxing for having a more real experience about fighting and my formal studies are limited in wing chun.
Said that, I look at martial arts and do not believe I need to study an art for 10 years to judge if it helps or not my path to self defense.
Of course you are very tecnical and critical so, in a way, not being at your level of knowledge, I can't tell much.
Simonet training is limited in Tongkat and I heard/read he learnt from Vanatta. Can be, but it is not a minus.
You say that he is very big and working on that small woman gives the idea that his teaching works mostly on big guys. That's true and this is the impression you get.
But it doesn't necessarily means that it does not work on bigger guys. For showing sake it doesn't work much, but it is not a garantee for negative.
I take notes of your criticism and opinion: you are an adult (I looked at your profile) and surely speak knowing deeply your field. Your opinion will be stored in my mind, thanks.
But I spend my money (hardly worked) my way: keep you porno oriented suggestions for yourself.
Till next time,
Sergio.

[Gajah Silat]

Hi Martin

Good to hear from you, yeah took a little bit of time out, to clear my head. I think that was a crazy few months, good to see it seems to have settle down.

Still training away having a good time, two of my students went to see Guru Maul in Feb, both said they had a great training session. Hows things yourself anything new happening?

Liam

Hi Liam

Still plodding on doing my own thing, at my own pace, in a couple of backyards:) Things have tailed off a bit this summer due to peoples commitments etc.

Yeah, I think everyone backed off for a while. Perhaps a little more perspective has been gained whilst people are not caught in the fray.

I want to get down to one of guru Maul's seminars this year, but things keep cropping up at the most inconvenient time....usually work!

Cheers

Martin


LOL Sergio, I think the humour of Tellner's porn comment was lost in translation:D

[Pekir]

Thanks for you point tellner.
........... Honestly some langka videos (Ihe made a series of 4) are a little...boring to watch, at least for me but that's my inpression........
S.

Sergio,

I doubt the boringness of a langkah is the measure of it's effectiveness. Might just be that those langkah's that are all to entertaining might be the less effective. But this is just the humble opinion of a simple pesilat who just doesn't believe in distant learning vid's/dvd's for instruction.....

Cheers,
Patrick

[bios69]

Sergio,

I doubt the boringness of a langkah is the measure of it's effectiveness. Might just be that those langkah's that are all to entertaining might be the less effective. But this is just the humble opinion of a simple pesilat who just doesn't believe in distant learning vid's/dvd's for instruction.....

Cheers,
Patrick

Sure anyway my opinion about his works is that they are good.
Distance learning for me has obviously value, I am positive concepts I was able to grasp from people like Carl Cestari, Mc Cain, the Comtech people E. Sulite or R. dimitri of Senshido are a graet source.
I know not many would afree and sometimes It a forced choice.
What helped me in some of the real street fight experience was not my formal training but things I learnt from books.
That ' s just my opinion.

[bios69]

I'm really sorry that the DVDs were not too helpful. There's a couple people working with him on some other options to make a new set that is less expensive and better quality. With some luck I'll be posting clips that will allow you to "try before you buy".

Just to be accurate I said that I was expecting more from them but I surely can't tell that I haven't found valuable concepts and ideas there ( as Guro Plinck stresses over and over there " Jurus give ideas and possible application and not unchangeble laws.."
If his group is gonna release other material, surely I will be again a fast buyer (taking advantage of the dollar weakness..)
Saluti,
Sergio