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Rhea
23-May-2008, 03:52 PM
I need help for ways of getting my sidestroke and front crawl faster. I'm good on backstroke, but little practice on everything else.
And I only have just under a month.
Yohan
23-May-2008, 04:08 PM
On your front crawl/freestyle, stretch your arms out as far in front of you as you can, enter the water with your fingertips, brush your ear with your shoulder on every stroke and let your shoulder turn your head to breathe. Keep your legs completely straight during your flutter kick - this will make your freestyle WAAAy faster really fast, but it's extremely difficult.
What's sidestroke? Breast stroke?
Rhea
23-May-2008, 04:32 PM
No, it's where you're on your side, sculling with one hand, and kicking with your feet the same as if you're swimming on your front. Its like a scissor motion.
Yohan
23-May-2008, 04:40 PM
No, it's where you're on your side, sculling with one hand, and kicking with your feet the same as if you're swimming on your front. Its like a scissor motion.
Never practiced that one - I was on swim team and you don't compete. I just do it to swim around when I'm being lazy or drinking a beer in the pool :D
Rhea
23-May-2008, 04:42 PM
It's a lifesaving stroke mostly. I competed when I was about 7 and got fed up with the pushy parents and the bloody awful "win or die" stuff.
narcsarge
23-May-2008, 04:52 PM
To help w/ your muscle development and hand position you can use these:
http://www.aqua-gear.com/images/ZoggsMatrixHandPaddles_small.jpg
Hand paddles add resistance and help with proper hand entry. Most increases in freestyle times come from body position and kicking and not your arms. I used to compete w/ a Jr. Olypian that could kick my butt in 50meter crawl and all she did was kick! :cry:
Side stroke is a stroke that does not lend it's self to speed, but if you reach way out w/ the bottom arm and rest your ear on that shoulder as the top arm power strokes to the feet, you can streamline your body position. When you pull w/ the bottom arm, flex your wrist to be perpendicular to your bodyline. Keep the hand just higher then the elbow as you pull/push through the stroke. Are you doing an Inverted or Standard scissor kick? If it is for lifesaving, you should be doing Inverted. Unfortunately, the scissor kick is terrible at generating speed.
***edit: Rhea, just an F.Y.I. as to my credentials:
Red Cross Cerified Water Safety Instructor
Red Cross Cert Advanced Life Saving
Advanced Swimming Cert (College course where we had to do 21 strokes PERFECTLY).
Competitive swimmer for 12 years (age 6 to 18)***
Cait
23-May-2008, 04:54 PM
Sidestroke is all about timing... you need to get comfortable with the rhythm, as it's such an odd one. What exactly are you having problems with on it?
Victoria
23-May-2008, 07:58 PM
It's a lifesaving stroke mostly. I competed when I was about 7 and got fed up with the pushy parents and the bloody awful "win or die" stuff.
Yep. I was competing when I was that age and it's a nightmare.
I assume you swim with leg/arm floats at times? You could also practice more 'sprinting' if you don't already. It depends what you need to improve on, actual stroke technique or the stamina/cardio side - but there's a tonne of exercises for improvement in all areas. It sounds hippie-ish, but you need to 'feel' the rhythm with the water and feel where you're getting most resistance.
And as with anything, you could just ask your instructor :D
Banpen Fugyo
24-May-2008, 02:45 AM
Ive competed my whole life, (up to about 4 years ago :P ) and I agree with Yohan in pretty much everything he's said.
Also with freestyle, practice breathing every three strokes. The more your head is in the water, the faster you get. Also, practicing on both sides helps too :D A common mistake is to take your head out of the water facing forward, and put it back in on the side (and vice versa) Always exit the water to the side, breathe, put it back in with the same motion.... never look forward. Lots of time is wasted this way.
As for the side stroke, I learned it naturally, and have never used it in a competition or lifesaving way, so Im not sure how much I can help u with that. Though I love it, and to bring it back to the martial arts side, it is the best stroke to use when trying to cause the least amount of noise and least amount of rippling of water :D
Rhea
24-May-2008, 08:15 PM
And as with anything, you could just ask your instructor :D
Don't have one anymore. :D Training is finished and assessment is next Friday at 8am. Gits for doing that. Ah well, the assessor is complaining as much as I am.
I got faster today, found that shorter, faster strokes work for me, and to make the times, I'm just going to have to go as fast as I can on the freestyle section before I have to do the towing section. Luckily they're shorter.
Rhea
24-May-2008, 08:17 PM
To help w/ your muscle development and hand position you can use these:
Side stroke is a stroke that does not lend it's self to speed, but if you reach way out w/ the bottom arm and rest your ear on that shoulder as the top arm power strokes to the feet, you can streamline your body position. When you pull w/ the bottom arm, flex your wrist to be perpendicular to your bodyline. Keep the hand just higher then the elbow as you pull/push through the stroke. Are you doing an Inverted or Standard scissor kick? If it is for lifesaving, you should be doing Inverted. Unfortunately, the scissor kick is terrible at generating speed.
Yes, I found out that that scissor kick is a pain in the ass.
There's 21 different strokes?!
Frodocious
24-May-2008, 09:07 PM
You could try looking at
http://www.totalimmersion.net/
http://www.totalimmersion.co.uk/
They have some good advice on improving your strokes (the book is good too).
Rhea
26-May-2008, 03:26 PM
Ah good. Nice site.
Gotta take the test on Friday morning, they're desperate for me to pass :rolleyes:
narcsarge
26-May-2008, 04:03 PM
Yes, I found out that that scissor kick is a pain in the ass.
There's 21 different strokes?!
Yeah but I can not find the course curriculum online anymore.
I can only remember:
Freestyle
Australian Freestyle (dolphin kick)
Trudgen Crawl
Back stroke
Breast Stroke
Inverted Breast Stroke
Butterfly
Side Stroke
Inverted Side Stroke
I can't be sure but we were tested on some of those strokes w/ fins on. Maybe I was thinking 21 skills since we had to do some mask, fin, snorkle work as well.
sg516
27-May-2008, 09:32 PM
Swimming Drills from http://www.mvm.org/workouts-drills.php
Drills Common to All Strokes
Distance Per Stroke (DPS)
Swimming all strokes getting maximum distance per stroke. With free and back, emphasize a long body line, hip and shoulder rotation, minimizing resistance. With breast and fly, keep the body line long in the front of your stroke. Steady the rhythm, and swim in the front quadrant of all strokes.
Fist Swimming
Swimming with hands completely in a fist. No "karate-chop" hands allowed! Concentrate on body position, using your forearm in the catch and optimum elbow bend through the stroke. When you return to swimming with an open palm, your hands will feel as large as kickboards! Have fun and think Distance Per Stroke!
Sculling
Sculling is performed by sweeping your hands through the water, holding your elbows still. Your hands are acting like propeller blades, and subtle changes in hand pitch and speed will change your body position and speed. There is no recovery motion. When you are treading water, you are sculling your hands through the water to hold yourself up and counteract gravity. To propel yourself down the pool, simply change your hand and forearm angle to be perpendicular to the pool bottom and parallel with the pool walls. Keep your elbows high at the surface of the water, and sweep your hands underneath (this is known as the "windshield wiper" drill). Note that your swimming strokes are a combination of sculling motions that allow you to hold the water as your large body core muscles act as the engine.
Kicking
Kicking without a kickboard will allow you to perform your kick in the same body position of the stroke. Kicking with a kickboard will allow you to get to know your lane mates.
For freestyle, kick on your side with your bottom arm (the one closer to the bottom of the pool) extended straight out of your shoulder line before your head. Keep your palm facing down and your extended hand about 8 inches under water. The top arm (the one on the surface of the water) should be relaxed at your side with your had on your hip and out of the water. Maintain a head position as though you were swimming freestyle, with your head in line with your spine. Press your arm pit toward the pool bottom to get your hip at the surface of the water. Your extended arm should feel weightless.
For backstroke, kick on your side as described above with your head facing up in the position for backstroke. You may also kick in a streamlined position with both hands over your head.
Breaststrokers, kick only with a soft kickboard that will allow you to maintain a good body position for breaststroke. Without a board, keep your hands extended, at your side. Try to maintain the same "dolphining" undulation when you kick as you should ave when swimming the full stroke. You may also do breaststroke kick on your back.
Butterflyers, go for it either on your side, on your back, or in butterfly position. Kick from the hips and torso. This is a great "ab" workout.
Golf
While swimming 50's repeats, calculate your "score" for each 50 by counting your strokes in both directions (one arm equals one stroke) and adding it to your time. For example: If you swim 50 freestyle with 20 strokes per 25 in a time of :40, you would have a score of 80 (20 + 20 + 40). Descend your score by taking less strokes and/or completing the 50 in less seconds with each successive 50.
Freestyle and Backstroke Overview
Freestyle and backstroke are referred to the long-axis strokes, as you are rotating on the long-axis of your body (head-to-toe) while swimming. Hence, many of the same drills can be used for both strokes and/or combined into one drill. Backstrokers, IM'ers, and all "novelty stroke" specialists are encouraged to mix backstroke into freestyle sets. Backstroke and freestyle mix sets can make great low heart rate aerobic training sets.
Long-Axis Combo Drill
This drill allows you to feel the similar rotation of backstroke and freestyle. Alternate four strokes of backstroke with four strokes of freestyle. Drive the rotation of your stroke with your hips. Keep a light easy rhythm: don't muscle the water.
4/6/8-Count Drill
This can be done for both Freestyle and Backstroke. Kick on your side for a count of 4, 6 or 8 kicks (or counts). Take one full arm stroke to rotate to your other side for another 4, 6, or 8 kicks, and continue through the swim. While on your side, focus on correct body position. When executing the switch, begin by lifting the elbow of the arm on the water surface (top arm) and recovering it over the line of your body. The extended arm (bottom arm) stays extended to maintain a streamlined body position, until the elbow of the recovery arm has passed over your head. Then execute a quick switch to your opposite side. Use core body muscles to rotate, while maintaining a hold of the water with your bottom arm.
Freestyle Drills
Catch-Up Drill
When swimming Full Catchup freestyle, pull with one arm at a time and touch your hands in a streamlined position out front between each alternating arm stroke. Keep your extended hands about 8 inches under the surface of the water for improved body position. Concentrate on swimming in the front quadrant and keep a long, streamlined body line.
You can progress to simply exchanging hands in the "passing zone" extended in front. We call this the "Ear Catch-Up" Drill, wherein you begin your pull as your opposite arm passes by your ear near the completion of the recovery.
Fingertip Drag Drill
This drill is swimming normal Freestyle while dragging your fingertips along the surface of the water on the recovery. Focus on a high elbow recovery, which ensures proper hand and elbow position at your hand entry. You should also check your body position during this drill, focusing on good side-to-side rotation.
An alternate version of this drill involves dragging the entire hand, wrist-deep, through the water. This helps build strength and speed of the arm recovery motion.
Gallop Drill
This is the same as the 6-Count Drill above, but you take three strokes as you switch from side to side. Focus on long strokes and quick hips in these three strokes, completely rotating from one side to the other. Maintain great body position while kicking on your side!
Single Arm (R, L) Drill
Single arm freestyle swimming can be done in one of two ways.
Preferred: With the opposite (nonworking arm) at your side. Breathe to the side of the nonworking arm. The secret to success with this drill is to complete your breath before stroking. Concentrate on the catch, initiating body rotation with the core body muscles. Take this drill slowly: technique is more important than speed.
Old-School: With the opposite (nonworking arm) extended in front. Breathe to the side of the working arm. Focus on high elbow recovery, hand entry, and hand acceleration.
Rhythm Drill
Single Arm freestyle with opposite arm at your side (see description above), executing 2 right arms and then 2 left arms. This takes some practice, but may very well become your favorite freestyle drill once you master it. Focus on rhythm and timing from the hips. Remember to take your breath with an arm extended out front (on the opposite side of the extended arm). If you swim this drill easily and well, your technique is close to perfect.
Open Water Swimming Drills
Sighting Drill: Swim normal freestyle. On every 5th stroke, raise your head straight forward and "sight" on an object off in the distance. You can place a target object or sight something already in place, i.e.: a tree. After sighting the object, lower your head back into normal position. Practice maintaining a balanced stroke rhythm and rotation while clearly seeing the target object.
Blind Swimming: Swim normal freestyle with your eyes completely closed. On every 5th stroke, raise your head straight forward and "sight" on an object off in the distance (above). Make sure you are maintaining a straight path down the pool. You can do this drill swimming side-by-side with your lane mates to reinforce swimming in a straight path.
Backstroke Drills
Single Arm (R, L) Drill
Single arm backstroke is always done with the opposite (nonworking) arm at your side. Allow the opposite arm to be completely relaxed, and do a half-recovery if it feels natural. Concentrate on full hip and shoulder rotation and great body position.
Rhythm Drill
Single arm backstroke alternating 2 right arms and 2 left arms. Do a half recovery with the non-stroking arm. Focus on rhythm (early hips) and body position.
Hesitation Drill
Swim normal backstroke, except as your arm begins the recovery, pause and hold the recovery arm at a 30-degree angle out of the water. You should already be rotated to your other side, and your opposite arm should be in the perfect "catch" position (hand 8-inches underwater, palm turned out and downward slightly, elbow high) if your timing is right. Make sure you are still holding your hips up near the surface of the water in this position. After holding for 3 seconds, complete the stroke and pause on the other side.
Catch-Up Drill
As with the Freestyle version, pull with one arm at a time all the way through the stroke. The non-moving arm should be extended out front in a good streamline position. You should not actually touch hands when switching strokes from one side to the other, but allow your arm to complete its recovery through the hand entry before pulling with the opposite arm. Again, this drill is great for working on body position (hips up, full side-to-side rotation).
Gallop Drill
This drill for backstroke is a little different than the Freestyle version; it focuses on arm speed. Kick on your side for a count of 6-8 seconds, holding the recovery hand not at your hip but about 6 inches up (30 degrees) out of the water. Lower the recovery hand back into the water by your hip and then explode with 3 quick, powerful strokes. Snap your hip rotation and maintain good body position. After 3 strokes, repeat.
Breaststroke and Butterfly Overview
Breaststroke and butterfly, the short axis strokes, are called such because you are rotating on the short axis of your body. Like free and back, the core of the body is the engine. Your arms and legs serve the dual purpose of acting as extensions to apply the force and lengthen your body as it passes through the water.
Short-Axis Combo Drill
This is a drill that allows you to feel the "short-axis" rhythm that is similar between breast and fly. Alternate three strokes butterfly with three strokes breaststroke. Concentrate on "landing in front", and exaggerate the press in front that allows the hips to rise. Keep the "dolphining" undulation pace constant.
Breaststroke Drills
Two-Count Glide Drill
Hold the streamlined (stretched) position of the stroke for a full count of two (one aligator-two aligator). Keep your head down and neck straight. In the breaststroke, be sure not to stop your hands under your body, but only in the extended position. Then, start the pull slowly, pitching the hands outward until they are shoulder width apart, and then accelerate your hands through the power phase (the in sweep), continuing all the way through to the recovery.
It's a good idea to combine this drill with double underwater pull-outs to increase the feel of gliding in the streamline position.
Two-Kick / One-Pull Drill
Hold the streamline for a second kick in each stroke. While doing the second kick, allow your hands to separate slowly to press your head and chest lower in the water. Keep your chin down, and look down at the bottom of the pool. This will prepare you for a more powerful in-sweep and recovery.
Two-Pull / One-Kick Drill
Take a powerful pull swinging the hips forward and under your torso and then throw your hands into the recovery / streamline while making an exaggerated dolphin kick. Repeat the powerful pull but kick a breastroke kick. Alternate between the two kicks. Notice that the hip motion should be identical between the dolphin kick and breastroke kick.
One-Pull / Dolphin-Kick / One-Kick Drill
As with the drill above, take one powerful pull and throw the hands into the recovery while executing a strong dolphin kick. Then, hold the streamline position with the upper body and arms as you execute a powerful breastroke kick. This drill also emphasizes the undulation of the hips, streamline position of the arm recovery, and power of the kick.
Opposite Hand / Foot Drill
Pull with your left hand only, keeping your right arm extended out front, and kick with your right leg only, keeping your left leg extended out back. Repeat this drill using the right hand and left leg. This drill takes practice, but you will gain a better feel for the "short-axis" nature of the breastroke.
Butterfly Drills
Single Arm Fly Drills
This drill traditionally has been performed with one arm extended and one arm stroking. Focus on the kick timing of "kick your hands into the water" and "kick your hands out of the water". Accelerate the pull, and snap the hands through the finish and into the recovery. For the recovery portion of the stroke, you can do one of three drill options:
Thumb-Tip Drag: Bend your elbow and keep it high. WIth your palm facing behind you towards your feet, stick your thumb down and draft is along the surface of the water. This drill helps keep your hands and elbows in the proper position at the hand entry.
Super-Dolphin: Over-emphasize the "dolphining" undulation of the stroke. During the recovery, reach up straight to the sky with your arm, and look up at your hand, Drive your upper body upwards as high as possible, and then dive forward as your hand enters out front, driving your hips upward. Feel the rhythm of the arms with the kick.
Standard Recovery: Keep the elbows slightly bent, and sweep the hands low over the water during the recovery. Drive your head more forward than upward, and breathe facing forward. Practicing this drill simulates the stroke without tiring the swimmer as quickly.
An alternate way of swimming the single arm fly drill is to leave the nonworking arm at your side. This drill works on connecting the finish of the butterfly stroke with the recovery. You will have the feeling of "throwing your arm away." Always concentrate on "getting in front" for an effortless butterfly stroke.
Three-Kick / One-Pull
Extend the arms out in front in streamline position and take three full kicks. After the third kick, take one strong pull in time with the kicking. Recover the arms to the streamline position and repeat.
sg516
27-May-2008, 09:33 PM
Also by watching the form in these videos i find my swim becoming a lot more relaxed and faster.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIzBaSiWdRA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYt8x_7uL48
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SVfLvO5Z0M&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUULNJEdKU8&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OsfFjdnzGc&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vbPNfwcHaQ&feature=related
Emil
27-May-2008, 10:25 PM
Nark - So far, I've come up with
Front crawl
Trudgen crawl
Dolphin crawl
Catch up stroke
Total Immersion
Breaststroke
Butterfly
Dog paddle
Human stroke:
Survival travel stroke
Breast feet first strokes
Snorkeling
Finswimming
Backstroke
Inverted breaststroke
Inverted butterfly.
Flutter back finning
Feet first swimming
Side stroke
Corkscrew swimming
Turtle stroke
21 there, but not sure if they're the ones you're thinking of.
As a swimmer who, in the past, made trials for the commonwealth team, I think I can offer some advice. Rhea, check out the Total Immersion stuff. Although many people complain that it is generaly for casual swimmers because it emphasises technique more than speed, Id say that the only way to get speed is through technique. To be honest, 90% of the drills out there are not particularly great - they have their uses, but i would take them with a pinch of salt. The drills that sg516 posted have some good stuff there, particularly those that emphasise body positioning.
To be honest with you, under a month is a very short amount of time to try and considerably develop speed, but I suppose it can be done with proper training. Out of interest, what is your current training regime, if you have one?
Emily
Rhea
28-May-2008, 10:17 AM
Don't need to develop it that much, just get underneath some times that are actually quite easy. I think I've got it now, shorter strokes, and move faster. It's only 40m total, after all. But I'm after advice on how to steadily improve in the future, and you guys have been great. :)
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