Simple Wing Chun Dummy Drills?

[Noob]

Given that I'm going through a (short) period without tutelage (Christmas break)...I was wondering/hoping that some of you would be so kind as to suggest some simple drills for me to practice on my new dummy.

I *know* most of the first form (Just need Sifu to teach me the bit starting at Bong Sau going to Tan Sau, to Reverse Palm to Freeing Arms to the final punches).

I do know Bong Sau from drilling Bong Lap Chi Sau.

So far I've practiced a few Bong Sau's on the dummy and taken a movement sequence from the form straight to the dummy (Pak Sau -> Bringing the Arm back across the Center Line (To the opposite Dummy Arm) -> Sideward Palm - Sometimes I modify this using a Huen Sao to go under the arm and Palm striking downwards into the dummys Kidneys).

But I hope someone can give me some other drill idea's...please. Also any comments on my current drills would be most appreciated (especially if I *shouldn't* be doing that).

[CKava]

Wow you got a dummy! You lucky son of a (ahem)... Anyway what your doing at the minute sounds fine to me. It would be quite difficult to describe drills on a dummy without pictures though so Im actually not going to bother :D However, I will suggest some idea's and then you can maybe come up with some drills on your own... One of the best uses of the dummy is for closerange footwork (assuming your dummy has a leg) so Id recommend you dont just practice majoritively at the front of the dummy but develop drills that force you to manouver across to and fro to the left and right outside gates of the dummy. This should improve your footwork and stances quite a bit and help you get used to moving when close without having to back off. Another good use of the dummy is to get the force of your blocks heading off in the direction it should be, you said your already doing Bong Sau's and that on the dummy so I would recommend that you also use the dummy to test not only the form of your blocks but also that that when your doing them that your force is actually heading towards the dummy (even when your not moving directly towards it (such as when your moving across the dummy). Emmm... a couple of quick other suggestions are: 1. use it to try and work on developing quick transitions from one move to another bong to tan to huen to palm strike and so on and 2. its quite good for getting your huen sau's nice and relaxed (but strong) so Id say try and work a couple of drills that bring in a lot of huen sau's.

Aside from all that theres plenty of books for dummys like 116 Wing Tsun dummy techniques and so on that are relatively cheap and could give you some idea's. I hope some of the above is what you where looking for and above all have fun with your dummy and feel pity for us less fortunate so and so's who can only sit and dream of owning their own Dummy :(

[Noob]

Thanks, I've got the 116 Dummy Technique book (Have been poring through it for inspiration) and have also asked my Sifu, for some "simple" drills. I put some pictures of Dummy up in my journal - tried putting some in the Gallery last night - not sure if it worked, don't think it did though.

I'm going to run Siu Lim Tao a few times in front of the dummy and see if I can transpose any techniques over directly to the dummy. Then add in movement etc.

Footwork is something I find tricky right now so I am using the dummy to Bong Sau alternate arms (on the dummy's outside gate). Plus the force thing is great - I don't worry about hurting my dummy so much.

I sometimes put Huen Sao's into one of the drills I listed to strike under, Sifu has shown me how to us Huen Sao and Footwork to change gate's, I'm thinking of trying to practice this and following with a strike -> Lower Lying Palm perhaps?

I'll try the Bong Sau, Tan Sau, Huen Sao, Strike thing out.

I'm gradually adding to my repertoire of moves - plus I can see what takes too long, and it's helping get real force into a Pak Sao, and Palm Strikes.

My Dad basically decided to encourage me for Christmas (I also got a Wallbag (From myself) - just need to hang it), and so he bought a Dummy for me, he also let me open it early and then use it early...I love my Dad...and my Dummy (I even named it Andy - (not after Mr. Murray).

[Light Ng]

Its handy to develop your own shorthand when you start the dummy. This is one of my own continuous dummy drills in my short hand. See if you can read it...

MS___ (L1) Tan da
(R1) Kau -> LS (R1) Kau/Low lying palm
LS___ (L1) Pak da (mid level)
(L1) Including Bui (to eyes) / wu
(R1) Excluding punch
(L1) Upper gaun / (3) Lower gaun
MS___ (L3) Bong
(R3) Bong
(R2) Tan da .... And Repeat other side etc etc.


Key:


Practitioners Position-

LS = Left sector of dummy
MS = Mid sector of dummy
RS = Right sector of dummy


Dummy Limbs-

I use the numbers whenever a technique has made contact with a dummy limb

1 = Left Arm
2 = Right Arm
3 = Middle Arm
4 = Leg


Which hand / leg-

Describes the hand/leg used for the following named technique. For compound techniques e.g. tan da, I only name L/R side for the first technique. e.g. (L1) Tan da rather than (L1) Tan (R) da

L = Left
R = Right


Sometimes I also use:

OD = Outdoor
ID = Indoor

but only when it is not obvious. E.g. When I could be standing MS but pak'ing outdoor.


Feel free to use the code/develop it/scrap it. Maybe we should have a standard for this forum to exchange drills?

I use a mixture of chinese and english terminology but thats up to you. The key criteria for your short-hand is that you can read it after 6 months.

[Noob]

Thanks for that. Light Ng.

I'm mostly going through the first form and 116 Dummy Techniques to see what I a) know and b) Can do on a dummy.

It's interesting most days I find a new technique to try out, but I'm definately up for a shorthand system to swap drills over.

Could do with help on one thing (and please excuse my Noobiness)...What do you mean by "Tan da" I've never heard of it in my terminology, I'm guessing it's a Tan Sau and something.

To see if I've got the code idea down though here's one taken from 116 Dummy techniques just to see if it's correct (all are double techniques).

MS___(L1+R2) Tan Sau OD
MS___(L1+R2) Huen Sau
MS___(L+R) Lower Lying Palms

Wherehas one of my current drills would be

MS___(L2) Pak Sao
MS___(L2) Huen Sao
MS___(L) Lower Palm
MS___(R1) Pak Sao
MS___(R1) Huen Sao
MS___(R) Lower Palm

(using what I hope is your system of notation).

[Light Ng]

Hi Noob,

"Da" just means hit. Usually a centre-line vertical punch so tan da is just tan sau with one hand and punch with the other. If the hit is not a centre line punch, its usually explicitly named e.g. Tan da chang sau - tan sau with a spade palm as the strike.

"Tan Da" is a lot quicker than saying "Tan / Yat Chi Chung Kuen" :-)

I recognise that snippet of the dummy. I'm not sure about the drill though - I cant quite get it to work. Is this it?...

MS___(L1) OD Pak sau
MS___(L1) Huen Sao to ID
MS___(L) Lower Palm
MS___(R2) OD Pak Sao
MS___(R2) Huen Sao to ID
MS___(R) Lower Palm

[Noob]

Ah now I understand. I don't think my hands are conditioned enough to be striking my dummy.

Yeah I don't think I explained my drill well enough, probably left something out of it (I did, a movement of the arm back across the chest close to the opposite dummy arm, Huen Saoing underneath that arm, then striking. It's a movement from the first form.)

Sorry for the confusion and thanks for telling me what "da" means :D

[Sub zero]

I want a dummy.:mad:

[Smee]

You are one - dumb@ss!!!

You usually stand there like a log during sparring anyway....

:)

[Sub zero]

yeh..... that much is true. :D

[Light Ng]

Yes, get a dummy now! If you can't afford one, make one. The one I have at home is welded from fixtures and fittings from a demolished barbers shop! I also have a more traditional looking dummy at the club made by immortal (www.immortal.co.uk).

Heres another continuous drill just working the centre of the dummy. For this one I usually pak sau close to the trunk for reasons of centreline. As with all dummy training you have to use some imagination - this ones a response to a jab-cross.

MS___(L2) Pak sau/(R4) Cross stomp kick
MS___(L1) tan da

repeat on other side
i.e. MS___(R1) Pak sau/(R3) Cross stomp kick etc etc

[Noob]

Nice drill thanks for that one Light Ng. I'm probably going to give my dummy a sound thrashing today and if I come up with anything myself I'll post it up here. I'll try not to make too many mistakes.

Also seconding the get a dummy position, I feel mines being a great help with footwork, positioning and to a certain extent my creativity with what I've learned of Wing Chun.

[PoetWarrior]

amazon.co.uk does a DVD on 116 movements on Dummy but its Michael Wong using the Pan Nam variation of Wing Chun [I think]so be aware it wont look like Yip Mans book moves. But you can cannabalise it for drills.

[PoetWarrior]

Hi can anyone help me find the sections from Yip Mans 108 dummy drill that Bruce lee took out for his drills.

I came across a web page that had numbers like Section 6 to 18, 44 to 75 etc. which bruce lee looped for his drills.

BUT I cant find the web page as I did not bookmark it and now am stuck :<

can anyone help?