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[LeeGreg89]

All BJJ artists you know when you apply an arm bar to someone how do you lock it because my oppenent jsut uses the other arm to get out of it do i have to twist the arm

[YODA]

Which arm bar?

Have you tried asking your instructor? Whatever technique it is - it sounds like you've had poor instruction in it.

[Hakko-Ryu]

eh? on the ground?................nevermind.......what yoda said....

[Sub zero]

yeh in what position. And the defintion of an "arm bar" varies.

If you do it properly the guy shouldn't be thinking about trying to move.Uness this is a different lock i'm thinking of. Yhe listen to Yoda. Go ask instructor.

[LeeGreg89]

Arm-Locks

Arm-Bar From The Mount




You are in the mounted position and your opponent straightens their arms, giving you the perfect opportunity for an arm-bar.





This demonstration shows how to apply the arm-bar on your opponents right arm. Place your right hand on your opponents chest in between their arms.





Take your left arm round the outside of your opponents right arm and place it on your right hand. This is isolating the arm you are about to perform the arm-bar on.





Put all of your weight on your hands and hop to your feet as shown.





Now still with all your weight on your opponents chest, swing your left foot round the top of your opponents head to finish in the position shown.





Now simply sit down next to your opponent. You should aim to be as close as possible to their right shoulder. As you sit down you will noice that you have your opponents arm in a perfect position to apply the arm-bar.





Grab your opponents right arm and lay back. To apply the lock simply raise your hips off the ground, just an inch of movement should cause pain to your opponent. Be sure that your opponents thumb is pointing up so their arm is perfectly locked. Also squeeze your knees together slightly for a solid hold.

[LeeGreg89]

that one do i have to twist the arm beacuse my instrutor is on christmas vacation

[Hakko-Ryu]

i was taught to keep the thumb pointing up to the ceiling...squeeze your knees together and raise your hips if need be...a slight adjustment or twisting as you say would probably be needed if the guy moves around or tries to roll out of it.

[totality]

how is he using his other arm to escape? if he's blocking it before you lock the armbar, you're just too slow/weak. but if he's pulling out of it after you have the arm hyperextended, you might be too far away from his body.

[Trent Tiemeyer]

I take the arm at a higher angle, as opposed to straight out from the body.

[Ad McG]

It's a juji gitame (sp?). If your opponent is grabbing the arm with their other arm, you can either change arms, change the lock to something else like an omoplata on the same arm (this will only come with time and a variety of techniques being learnt), or you can use something called the high lever to take the arm away. If groundwork takes even a fairly small part of your training and your instructor doesn't teach you something like this or respond to it with a similar response, I would start asking questions of the instructors. It's fairly basic, I've only been training for a fairly short time in terms of MA and we were taught that as soon as we learnt this lock, which is excellent by the way, especially on someone not expecting it or who doesn't know the counters. Such is martial arts.
Oh yeah, and as someone else said, always keep the thumb pointing to the celing, use your hips for good leverage and mind the nackers ;)

[LeeGreg89]

how do i put a picture here so i can show u what i mean

[LeeGreg89]

http://ultimatema.com/techniques/brazilian/arm_locks/arm_bar_mount/7.jpg

[LeeGreg89]

See that picture guys i want to know what if the guy in the white tries to use the other hand

[totality]

then squeeze his arm like your life depends on it. he should tap before he can use that arm to escape.

[Sub zero]

Ahhhhhhhhhhh.

I thot that's the one u were asking about.

What you have to remeber is that the key to most locks is tightness. Get ur arse so it's right next to his body.......touching it.Then if need be as already said raise you hips.

Remeber to have his elbow in teh correct position as well.

Another adjustment you could make. Don't take the arm in a straight line back. Take it against one of ur own legs rather than just using urhips.

The reason i saythis is becasue pppoele like me , who's arms go further back than what there ment to , have to have loicks adjusted on them constantly.:D

In that pic the defender had the uke's hand at ninety degrees. Persoanlly i would have his palm facin straight up if ur trying to use ur hips.It would be easier to get the lock on teh elbowin My opinion. It's still an arm bar.

[LeeGreg89]

oh i see do i have to twist the arm though

[MichaelV]

Originally posted by LeeGreg89
See that picture guys i want to know what if the guy in the white tries to use the other hand

Disclaimer: I know less than most 5 year-olds.

He shouldn't be able to do anything with his other arm except use it to tap. You should be holding onto his arm tightly enough (with your hands and your legs) that he can't just snatch it away, and enough pressure on him with your leg that he can't sit up or roll towards you. Like was said earlier, keep as close to him as you possibly can. You want his arm way up high on you, not down between your legs.

Also, if possible, I find it helpful to use one of my hands to hold the tricep right above the elbow to keep him from rotating his arm around. It makes it easier to keep the whole arm in the position you want it to be in.

[Freeform]

If applied correctly the your legs should prevent the other guys arm from being able to reach the locked one. The only improvement to the picture I'd suggest is to take the arm at a 45 degree angle to the body (up the way more ;) ). This position puts the arm in a weaker position.

Col

[Sub zero]

Hmmmm yeh. And the pic just doesn't look "tight". Tightness solves 90% of all my problems.:D

[Freeform]

True, the photo was taken from

www.ultimatejujitsu.com

I believe.

Col

[surgingshark]

I could get out of that one. I use my other arm to strike the balls (after twisting my body REAL QUICK towards his direction just before he manages a tight grip). Of course, once he's on deathgrip mode, I'm screwed :-P

[Sub zero]

wait a mo.Just had another look at the pic. Isn't the uke ment to be on his die not his back. O ri think thta's how we do it. not sure don't have any one to try ot on and think about at the mo.

BTW shark when i sadi tightness i wasn't really refering to his grip on teh amr. I ment more the defenders body position in realtion to the ukes.

[surgingshark]

Well, in that case, depending on body position, I may have no chance in hell of getting out of it if the other guy does it right ^_^

[Sub zero]

lol. yeah that's my favourite part of the class.

Snsei says "jamie (that's me) try and struggle out. Oh how i try..........then just for a laugh at the end he'l satrt nipping me or justhitting me really hard.
hahahahahhahahahah:(

But yeah would be a tough one once the person got it on. With most counters u have to get it on at the perfect moment jsut b4 he puts it on. Very hard.
mabe i should practice this sort of thing....

[Ad McG]

Did nobody read my reply?!? lol. The high lever method is an excellent way of breaking the grip of the two arms, and pulling one out so you can lock it out. Research it. Your sensei should know this.

[Sub zero]

Sure it does work adam. but i won't reply about more counters becasue then we get in to "iffy jitsu" which is far to compicated to tlak about online without actually practicing on one another.

Hmmmmmm will ask about that escape tho.

[LeeGreg89]

so i have to keep this elbow locked right

[Sub zero]

It's not so much about the elbow.
Right i'l tell u how i usually do this tehcnique.
Right u've just thrown someone say a hip,shoulder,half shoulder,boddy drop whatever. Something that get's the opponent on his side.
NOw i slide my foot up and kick them with ur instep into the kidneys.Now place both feet over thee body(while still on their side)
Now u sit DOWN. NOt so much back but Down.Keep ur BUm close to his body and then pull ur feet in to make sure u have it tight.


Actually themost important part fo this tehcnique is where u place ur bum:D

[cal_JJJ]

Good advice Sub zero, we do this armbar mostly from a throw and it is key to keep tension on the arm so that you can sit under the shoulder a bit. This makes it hard for Uke to roll that way.

LeeGreg89, as far as twisting the arm, like Sub zero said, if you bar the elbow w/ your hips; palm up, If you bar w/ your left leg; twist to thumb up, and if barring w/ right leg twist arm to thumb down.

If your tight and your knees are together, Uke can't get his other arm into play before you get the lock on. Although, I had a training partner once who would give a good bite on the calf from time to time to shake things up a bit.:)