Vegetarian?

[shunyadragon]

Are you a vegetarian? If so what kind of vegetarian?

[booksie_girl]

I voted omnivore, but I might change it to 'eat most things' rather than 'eat anything'

[Saz]

Mostly vegetarian, because vegetables and pasta are my staple food, I try and keep the meat to a minimum, althought I like Chicken.

[David]

Other:

Mostly vegan but occasionally eat something non-vegan for whatever reason.

Rgds,
David

[Tosh]

As KickChick put it in another thread

Meatarian :D

I love my Meat and ma Veg!

Get in ma belly! :D

[Saz]

When I was younger, I used to be what I think is called Demi Vegetarian, being that I never ate red meat. I never ate a beefburger or a steak until I was 19, and I don't like them much now.

[Qis]

If it fits in my grilling machine it's good eatin'.

this shall soon be expanded to
"if it fits in my grilling machine/juicer it makes good eatin'/drinkin' "
if my christmas wish is realised. :D

-Qis

[wayofthedragon]

well, I'm almost vegan, except that I still eat cheeze. I don't drink milk or eat eggs or anything else that has to do with animals.....except for cheeze. I must over come cheeze then I will be a complete vegan. Cheeze, why are you doing this to me:woo:

[RubyMoon]

I've been a strict vegetarian for almost 15 years. I started out vegan. I gradually slipped away from strict veganism because it was sometimes difficult to find satisfying meals that didn't have cheese when eating out, especially with non-vegan friends. (Contrarily, it is very easy to find great vegetarian meals almost anywhere.) Now, however, I have gotten back to a 99% vegan diet and I feel great.

[wayofthedragon]

Cheeze.....I hate cheeze, cheeze why do you do this to people:woo:

wow ruby, 15 years, I've only been one for about 8
and cheese has been the thorn in my side:mad:

[RubyMoon]

Originally posted by wayofthedragon
wow ruby, 15 years, I've only been one for about 8
and cheese has been the thorn in my side:mad: I understand. I felt the same way for a long time. I started getting back to being vegan by cutting cheese off my home shopping list. Instead, I started using some of the cheese substitutes available. (Look for "Veggie" brand cheese alternatives. They are the only ones I've found to be edible and are actually quite good.)

I even stopped buying chocolate and other sweets (I hear the gasps). Really, it wasn't as hard as I thought it would be. To satisfy my sweet tooth, I started buying fruit instead. I eat tons of apples, bananas, and grapes (my favorites), plus pears, peaches, and sometimes strawberries. So, not only do I get to be vegan, not only do I still eat lots of food I really enjoy, I also get to be much healthier in the process! It's a win-win-win situation.

Finding satisfying vegan meals when out with friends can be a little tougher. That's why I am still only "99%" vegan. Don't be too hard on yourself, though. Even Buddha induldged his palette with something a little decadent once in awhile.

[Cain]

Yeouch! Voted for eggs, but then saw milk and eggs :mad::woo:

|Cain|

[aikiMac]

Mostly veg. The macrobiotic diet makes the most sense to me of any diet scheme I've ever heard of, but I salute the vegans out there. That takes some serious dedication.

[Brad Ellin]

Vegetarian: Old Indian word meaning "Can't hunt well"

Seriously, was vegetarian for a while, gave it up on advice of my doctor for health reasons and feel much better now.

[shunyadragon]

Some suggestions on vegetarianism.

Some westerners who convert to Buddhism feel they must become vegetarians immediately. This not a good idea. sudden radical changes in diet are not good for the body. Some famous sports personalities found this out the hard way.

The macro biotic diet is widely misunderstood in the west. Westerners are more likely to take the short direct route and become vegetarian over night or go macro-biotic in a matter of weeks to a year or two, which was never how these spiritual disaplines were intended.

Becoming vegetarian should be a gradual step by step process similar to the process of learning meditation and becoming enlightened. Red meat can eliminated first followed by dairy products. The emphasis should always be to create a diet balenced between the yin and yang and the attributes of earth, water, air and water.

The final vegan diet should be balenced with protein products like legumes like soy, grains and nuts (Okra is also an excellent source of protein), sea weeds, green vegetables, fruit, tubor vegetables, fungus (like mushrooms), herbs and sea salt.

The key is balence and diversity, study diet and take vitamins. Avoid eating too much of any one kind of food.

Vegans need to be careful about B12. A pure vegan diet will not contain B12 so a vitamin suppliment is advisable. The consequences of B12 deficiency are sneaky and the nerve damage that results may not be reversable.

[totality]

being a vegetarian is really in no way related to the 8-fold path to righteousness. westerners who become buddhist and then decide they need to be vegetarian are stupid.

[inacan]

Omnivore

[47Ronin]

Carnivore. After reading your explanation on carnivore I want a steak, nice juicy red bloody steak. With A-1 sauce and some tobasco onion rings. DAMNIT, why can't the steak house be open right now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!

[RubyMoon]

Originally posted by shunyadragon
The final vegan diet should be balenced with protein products like legumes like soy, grains and nuts (Okra is also an excellent source of protein), sea weeds, green vegetables, fruit, tubor vegetables, fungus (like mushrooms), herbs and sea salt. Good advice, but let's not forget that the bulk of any vegetarian diet should be carbohydrates. This means a diet consisting of 50% whole grains and rice. It's not as hard as it sounds. Rice can't be beat as a nearly perfect energy source. Whole-grain bread is okay, especially if fortified with additional vitamins. Many different kinds of pastas are good, too. Fortified whole-grain cereal (like Total, Raisin Bran, Fruit & Fiber, etc.) can be a super source of carbs, fiber, and lots of vitamins and minerals (including B12). I start every day with a bowl of raisin bran in soy milk.

The idea that a vegetarian diet is short on protein is a myth originating in the excessively meat-consuming West. The fact is, most meat-eating Americans intake at least twice as much protein than they need. Worse, most of that protein comes from fatty animal products which do not break down very efficiently in the human body.

Meeting protein needs for the vegan is really pretty simple. The key is a diet rich in variety, just like Shunydragon suggested. Rich sources of protein include soy milk, tofu, all kinds of beans, most veggie burgers and other "meat alternatives", tempeh, and even peanut butter. Plus, many dark vegetables like broccoli and spinach have fair amounts of protein. Go for variety and you can't go wrong. Vegans need to be careful about B12. A pure vegan diet will not contain B12 so a vitamin suppliment is advisable. The consequences of B12 deficiency are sneaky and the nerve damage that results may not be reversable. While it never hurts to take a daily vitamin suppliment, there are several good, simple sources of B12 available to the typical vegan. Most brands of soy milk are fortified with B12. Also, cereals such as Total, Product 19, Raisin Bran, and many others are fortified with B12 and other vitamins. Lots of other vegan products, such as cheese and meat alternatives readily available in the west, are similarly fortified. Always read the label as products vary.

B12 is important, but it doesn't take much to meet the need in most cases. I'm not saying you shouldn't take a vitamin suppliment--it's never a bad idea--but it isn't necessarily a foregone conclusion, either. I've done quite well without suppliments for the better part of fifteen years. A generous combination of grains, veggies, legumes, and fruits will provide 99% of everything a healthy body needs. Fortified foods like cereals and soy milk can easily provide the balance. Certain brands of those "nutrition bars" are vegan (check the label) and can also provide good supplimental nutrition.

One of the neat things about a vegan diet is you can eat as much as you want! If your idea of a snack is an apple or a banana, you can snack all day long without guilt. Since most of us are martial artists and have higher carb, protein, and nutritional needs than the average couch potato, there's really no practical limit on how much vegan food we should eat. A healthy vegan diet is high in carbohydrate, low in fat and adequate in protein, which is precisely what you need for optimal athletic performance.

[shunyadragon]

Originally posted by totality
being a vegetarian is really in no way related to the 8-fold path to righteousness. westerners who become buddhist and then decide they need to be vegetarian are stupid.

Misguided is probably a better word. The key to Buddhism is simplicity and 'don't try to hard.' But many westerners consider this to easy.

[totality]

nah, i'll stick with stupid. if they're going to be buddhist, they should try speaking to a buddhist monk, or buying a book.

if they think being buddhist means being vegetarian, i'll assume they heard about buddhism from a magazine, and went and bought some miniature statues. possibly a pair of orange pants. :D

[Kwajman]

Ummmmm veggies, goes good with a steak...

[wayofthedragon]

Originally posted by shunyadragon
Some suggestions on vegetarianism.

Some westerners who convert to Buddhism feel they must become vegetarians immediately. This not a good idea. sudden radical changes in diet are not good for the body. Some famous sports personalities found this out the hard way.

The macro biotic diet is widely misunderstood in the west. Westerners are more likely to take the short direct route and become vegetarian over night or go macro-biotic in a matter of weeks to a year or two, which was never how these spiritual disaplines were intended.

Becoming vegetarian should be a gradual step by step process similar to the process of learning meditation and becoming enlightened. Red meat can eliminated first followed by dairy products. The emphasis should always be to create a diet balenced between the yin and yang and the attributes of earth, water, air and water.

The final vegan diet should be balenced with protein products like legumes like soy, grains and nuts (Okra is also an excellent source of protein), sea weeds, green vegetables, fruit, tubor vegetables, fungus (like mushrooms), herbs and sea salt.

The key is balence and diversity, study diet and take vitamins. Avoid eating too much of any one kind of food.

Vegans need to be careful about B12. A pure vegan diet will not contain B12 so a vitamin suppliment is advisable. The consequences of B12 deficiency are sneaky and the nerve damage that results may not be reversable.

Agreed here. Good advice, and I second ;)

[abby]

Carnivore. I like meat. Veggies are a side dish.

[shunyadragon]

Vegan recipe from China

Hot stir fried tofu

1/2 kilo soft white tofu
1 tablespoon ground hot pepper
1 star anis
1 tablespoon soybean oil or peanut or favorite oil
2 to 3 tablespoons chopped green onions.
1 to 2 finely cloves finely chopped garlic
1 tablespoon corriander
salt to taste
MSG if you like it

Optional
one or two finely chopped mushroom or black ear fungus.

The omnivores can add cooked ground meat of choice when the stir fry the onions and other stuff.

Heat oil in a wok or fryiing pan, add star anis, onion, garlic, salt, MSG, mushrooms, hot pepper and stir fry for a minute or two.
Chop up the tofu in pieces about 1/4 in size or less.
Add tofu and simmer for five minutes. add a tablespoon or two of water if too dry.

Stir in corriander and serve.

[Cudgel]

I used to be vegan and vegetarian at various parts of my life. I decided I liked meat too much to give it up. :D although I dont eat to much of it. But I dont consider myself mostly vegatarian. if IM hungry and its not moving to fast or not toxic Ill proabably eat it.

No one thing I wanna know is what is up with this low carb diet thuing that is sweeping the world? Charbs are great with out them I would be...not moving and decayig by now.



[End Ramble Mode]

[Poop-Loops]

I don't get it. Why would you NOT want to eat meat? (besides religious beliefs/health problems) It tastes too good to not eat.

PL

[Kinjiro Tsukasa]

I voted "omnivore" because I eat all kinds of foods, but I do have lacto-ovovegetarian leanings. I can go a fairly long time without eating meat before I start missing it. I'm perfectly happy leaving the meat out of some dishes that traditionally have it; e.g. split-pea soup without the ham, or vegetable and tofu stir-fry instead of adding meat to it, etc. On the other hand, I can spot Italian-style meatballs at 50 paces, and will zoom right in...

[Guerilla Fists]

for all you hippie new age good life folks out there I just want you to know that for every animal you refuse to eat I will personally eat three. ha!

[Anth]

being brought up by a butcher means i can be only one thing. Vegan!! :D

nope, seriously im a carnivore. full english breakfast with bacon, sausage and the rest for breakfast, sausage sandwich for lunch, steak for tea (dinner) repeat :D

[shunyadragon]

Originally posted by Cudgel
I used to be vegan and vegetarian at various parts of my life. I decided I liked meat too much to give it up. :D although I dont eat to much of it. But I dont consider myself mostly vegatarian. if IM hungry and its not moving to fast or not toxic Ill proabably eat it.

No one thing I wanna know is what is up with this low carb diet thuing that is sweeping the world? Charbs are great with out them I would be...not moving and decayig by now. [End Ramble Mode]

Not being able to get it is a common problem of intolerance that persists in religion and philosophy where people with other viewpoints are not understood.

You may not get it, but people are different.

[Cudgel]

I hope i didnt sound like I was insulting those that follow a low carb diet. Im a fairly tolerant person, just because I dont get it doesnt mean ill make make fun of it or behave in an intolerant way towards those who follow it. my first reaction towards somethign I dont get is to ask why.

[palecricket1]

been a strict vegetarian since i was four. Nothing but veggies, milk, and eggs. Still those jerk food companies find ways to slip animal ingredients in like rennet, , glycerin, figs (which have wasp parts in them), and the scourge of all vegetarians: gelatin : X

[shipto]

omnivore nature made me that way :D

[LilBunnyRabbit]

Carnivore, definitely. Take cow, lead it past a radiator. Kill it, and serve.

Only food eats vegetables. :p

[David]

This thread needs The Meatrix (http://www.themeatrix.com/).

When I have to defend myself for being vegan/veggie to salivating omni/carnivores, I always get the distinct impression that these people parade their bloodlust like it they're boasting about the perfect crime or something.

It's the so-called little things like this which set the pattern for the great wrongs in the world.

Vitamin B12 exists in the skin of fruit and vegetables. It is vigorous cleaning that removes it from the food. It is the chemicals in the ground that are the reason the veggies are washed so much.

Rgds,
David

[tkd_princess78]

I like my steaks and veggies!!

[Jingersnap]

Vegetarian?! :eek: HELL NO!! Meat...good...!! :yeleyes:

Of course, that doesn't mean I don't eat my veggies! Every meal I eat, I try to have something from each food group!

[seikido]

Where's the pescatarian option (veggie except fish eater)?

[aikiMac]

The macro biotic diet is widely misunderstood in the west. Westerners are more likely to take the short direct route and become vegetarian over night or go macro-biotic in a matter of weeks to a year or two, which was never how these spiritual disaplines were intended.
Misunderstood how?
And how should it be done?
I like what I've read about macrobiotic (and I like brown rice), but I'm far from an expert on it.

[judoboxer]

im vegitarian have been since I was 5 i eat dairy products but no meat or fish what so ever

[whaledawg2]

I hope i didnt sound like I was insulting those that follow a low carb diet. Im a fairly tolerant person, just because I dont get it doesnt mean ill make make fun of it or behave in an intolerant way towards those who follow it. my first reaction towards somethign I dont get is to ask why.

Oh don't be a pussy and waffle, if you think it's stupid just say so. If you want some info and the what and the why read on:

The low carb diet come from the theory that most westerners eat too much sugar and processed carbs and this has a negative effect on how your body processes glucose(the fuel made from carbs). By restricting your carbs you force your body to burn fat for fuel instead which has a few advantages if your trying to lose weight.

1) It puts your body into a state called Lyposis that has an appetite supressing effect
2) It utilises the energy made from fat more effeciently then it would glucose so all released energy is used(unlike glucose where a certain amount is used and a certain amount is stored as fat)
3) It causes your body not to swing up and down as your glucose levels do. That's why your hungry an hour after you eat chinese food, your body has released insulin to deal with the glucose and that causes hunger

It's actualy an effecient diet plan. It's been shown that you can lose more fat on a low carb diet then on a high carb diet with fewer calories.

[shunyadragon]

Misunderstood how?
And how should it be done?
I like what I've read about macrobiotic (and I like brown rice), but I'm far from an expert on it.

Read more about it. It is important to maintain a balence. A radical macrbiotic diet is not balenced. It was originally part of a gradual spiritual disapline taking years to follow. The original purpose was more a part of a spiritual disapline and not a diet.

[adouglasmhor]

I am a macrobiotic who eats fish, but avoids dairy and eggs, you can eat almost anything on a transitional macro diet, as stated above balance is the key, some people eat a small amount of organic meat or goat cheese. I was an ovo-lacto vegie for 15 years before becoming macro 9 months ago.

[Athleng Nordic]

I'm a lean meat, fresh veggie and fruit kind of guy. With some yogurt for flavor. :D

[aikiMac]

Read more about it. It is important to maintain a balence. A radical macrbiotic diet is not balenced. It was originally part of a gradual spiritual disapline taking years to follow. The original purpose was more a part of a spiritual disapline and not a diet.
What is this "balance" ? Give me a description, an example, something. What is it? What does it look like?

What macro books do you recommend? I've been meaning to read up on it again.

[whaledawg2]

What is this "balance" ? Give me a description, an example, something. What is it? What does it look like?

What macro books do you recommend? I've been meaning to read up on it again.


It's something that can't be explained, but you'll know it when you poop grasshopper :D

[aikiMac]

A lovely thought. Gee, thanks.
Actually, I remember Ohsawa speaking of that exact, um, experience in one of the books I read.

[munkiejunkie]

I am the one and only lactovegetarian. Yeah!!!!!!!!!!

[bedens67]

Are you a vegetarian? If so what kind of vegetarian?

Wow, I had to look at that list for a second... I thought one of them said:

Lactating-Ovulating Vegetarians

I would think that would eliminate the guys and a good chunk (at any given time) of the ladies here... :)

Seriously, I'm in the "some meat but not a lot category". When I started martial arts over 5 years ago, I ended up taking red meat out of my diet. Not a Buddhist thing (although my beliefs lean that way some) or anything like that... I just tried it to see how my body would react, and the difference was amazing... I find I am MUCH less sluggish when I don't eat red meat. I still eat the occasional poultry or seafood, but by and large it's mostly vegetarian... And yeah, milk and egg products too... :)

I also feel like I'm in the best shape of my life (at 37), even moreso than when I did track, football and basketball in high school... Good enough to reach 2nd dan and be able to do a front flip without a trampoline... Oh and I"m 6'3" / 305 pounds... Lots of muscle mass... Quite a sight to see me do that front flip too :)

**bows**

- Bert in Springdale, Arkansas

[cheesypeas]

Hi, my name is Angela. I am a piscatarian!!!! :D :D :D

I filled in the poll as 'other' seeing as my veggie type wasnt there.

I have a habit of lingering as near as possible to anyone eating a bacon sandwich in a public place. ;)

[TkdWarrior]

somebody said
Meat with Yogurt??
wow what a combination...
if you are in india, you'd never want to do that...
-TkdWarrior-

[adouglasmhor]

Sorry TKD warrior there are meat and yogurt dishes from Northern India called korma or Quorma and they are Very popular in Indian Restaraunts here (I haven't tasted one for 20 odd years though) they belong with Moghul dishes of The punjab, kashmir and outside India Pakistan to your north
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A traditional korma will have a long slow cooking. In fact, korma is not one particular dish but rather a method of cooking similar to braising. Because korma is a cooking method there are a wide variety of dishes that could be described as "korma". Many kormas call for the meat to be marinated in yoghurt and then the meat plus marinade are braised on a very low heat until all the juices condense down into a thick sauce. The restaurant chef has to cook to order so doesn't have time for long, slow cooking. The korma you find in Indian restaurants usually contains ground almonds, coconut and thick cream. It is often described on restaurant menus as being "very mild" but a good korma should not be bland.

[BackFistMonkey]

if you only eat vegetarians but arent one yourself ?

But in all seriousness they dont have to be a vegetarian to be eaten . They just have to avoid avoid eating other humans brains or I will get "mad human " .Or does it not work that way ?

* sighs * ok fine ... I am a sudo-vegitarian I try to stay away from red meat, pork, and walmart type meats ( corporate farms and such ) but its hard to do when your poor ....


BackFistMonkey

[call_me_rizki]

i eat whatever deserve to eat!! :D
might i'll eat you if you deserve too :D

[Aphorism]

I'm the most common type of vegetarian.

I plan on being vegan when I get to college/move out (which trust me, isn't very soon). I do it mostly for the health benefits.

[adouglasmhor]

did you look at the date on the last post?

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[windtalker]

possible to change vote from omnivore to carnivore? just a shot list of some animals that ive enjoyed over the dinner table.

deer, rabbit, squirrel, groundhog, rattlesnake, quail, duck, elk, beef, lamb, chicken, raccoon, turtle, alligator, boar, pork, and turkey.

doesnt include fish, vegtibles and bread groups.

[*Magesty*]

Oooo korma .. i had a lovely chicken korma the other day .. damn your making me hungry

I dont eat much meat im really fussy when it comes to it but ill always eat chicken its yummy :) although it is bad how some chickens are treated does rather put me off hmmm so I'd have to say i eat a little meat but not too much

[Emil]

Full time vegan and proud :love:

Em

[DaveSlater]

been a veggie for 13yrs this Xmas - the last meat meal i had was Xmas dinner

i'd decided i was gonna go veggie a month before but was too skint to afford to chuck away all the tinned meat i'd got
it just happend that come Xmas day i'd got a can of chicken curry left in the cupboard so i gave that to my mate and figured if i was gonna quit meat i'd better go out on the biggest meat feast of the year!

my gran used to be a country pub cook so it was a proper feast - a huge turkey, a joint of beef, pigs in blankets - the works

and you know what i don't miss it one bit and never have done, i've never had a craving for anything since

i've recently switched to soya milk for my tea and cereals can't stand normal milk now but cheese is my biggest down fall though, i have the odd egg on toast that i could do without, but i can't give up my cheese sandwich fix

it's been my staple diet since i was a nipper and it's one of my two consessions to not being a vegan the other being leather shoes or my feet stink like cheese!

btw you missed one out - pescatarian - fish eaters

whilst on that subject anybody else get annoyed by people who claim to be veggie yet eat fish and/or chicken?

apart from potatoes if it's had eyes i don't eat it or as a friend says if it's got a face or a mother it's not a vegetable!

[*Magesty*]

whilst on that subject anybody else get annoyed by people who claim to be veggie yet eat fish and/or chicken?



This is rather annoying, fish and chickens are animals too :confused: you cant claim to be a veggie if you eat fish seriously.. it really does annoy me what do they think fish are?

[DaveSlater]

it really does annoy me what do they think fish are?

exactly my point, what planet are they on?

vegetables are pretty static things, ever seen a carrot run away cos it was scared?

[Rhea]

I'm ovo vegan - eat eggs. I never knew there was a word for it!

[MingTheMerciles]

Mostly Carnivore ( Beef , Salmon , Sardine , Tuna , Skinless and lean Chicken and Prawn ) , Protein satisfy diet better but would often supplement it with a little bit of carbohydrate ( mostly white rice ) and Vegetable ( French bean , Baby corn and Cauliflower ) , often just one set of this meal tend to satisfy me for nearly the whole entire day .

And beside as a kid , I love Steak , Drumstick ( not fried , hate oily food ) Salmon and Hamburger

[Yohan]

I'm the type of vegetarian that likes meat with his veggies :D

[Davey Bones]

exactly my point, what planet are they on?

vegetables are pretty static things, ever seen a carrot run away cos it was scared?

That would be why we call ourselves "pesco-vegetarians". The fact of the matter is I take in about 150-170 grams of protein per day. I get enough of it from suppliments, it's nice to get some of it from egg or animal proteins as well.

[DaveSlater]

you must be one of the honest ones then!

seriously my business partner claims to be veggie but eats tuna sandwiches

now i understand that, for him, when he eats with others it's easier to say he's a vegetarian when refusing meat and avoid having to go through the hassle of explaining what he does or doesn't eat, but it seems he's got so used to saying that he's now convinced himself that he is and is blind to the fact that a fish is not a vegetable!

and don't give me that vegetables of the sea crap - they're living creatures who swim like buggery when something big and scary tries to eat them!

[Davey Bones]

I'm a pesco-ovo-vegetarian. I eat fish, I eat eggs. That's it. No beef, pork, chicken or any other meat product. Truthfully, it doesn't matter what I call myself, though... you guys don't own the phrase ;)

[DaveSlater]

now you're just being pedantic

[Davey Bones]

No, I'm recognizing that there are different levels of vegetarianism, and that some of us recognize the necessity of ingesting animal proteins instead of a diet of tofu and soybeans and lentils... blech. It's really easy to point fingers and give the party line "you're not a *real* vegetarian". Like that means anything?!?

[adouglasmhor]

I eat much the same foods as Domino, but I say i am not veggie but I don't eat meat. I don't eat dairy ewither but only because i am intolerant of it.

[DaveSlater]

No, I'm recognizing that there are different levels of vegetarianism, and that some of us recognize the necessity of ingesting animal proteins instead of a diet of tofu and soybeans and lentils... blech. It's really easy to point fingers and give the party line "you're not a *real* vegetarian". Like that means anything?!?

i eat cheese and eggs dude, i aint preachin what you should and shouldn't do that's not my place to say

what i am saying is that a vegetarian is not a pescatarian or a vegan for that matter

the traditional philosophy behind vegetarianism and veganism however is that no animal should die in the process

unfertilized eggs and cheese have not had an animal killed directly (you can argue the indirect nature of milk and the veal trade but i'm not going there for this argument) in order to procure food for your table

to be more truthfull would be in your case (seeing as you brought it up) to say you're an ovo-pescatarian

who do you know who doesn't eat vegetables in one form or another? potato chips or bread, some baked beans or even some corn syrup in your 'orange' soda at the basic level i personally don't know anyone who survives on a solely meat and/or dairy diet so you can pretty much say we all have the vegetarian bit within our diet name

what i am saying is that pesco(a)-vegetarian is a way of easing the conscience by hanging the diet onto vegetarianism

call yourself what you like but don't pretend a fish is a vegetable to ease your conscience as i find a lot of people doing (i'm not directly saying you do btw)

[adouglasmhor]

Lacto ovo vegetarian is not a vegetarian really! A vegan diet is a vegetarian diet, a vegan takes it into clothing etc.

[DaveSlater]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vegetarianism:-

"Vegetarianism is the practice of not consuming the flesh of any animal (including sea animals) with or without also eschewing other animal derivatives, such as dairy products or eggs."

*my underlining

let me tell you my route to being a vegetarian and hopefully explain what i'm on about a bit more clearly

about 14yrs ago i became heavily influenced by the books on buddhism that i was reading it was through this influence i began to restructure my life and philosophy

around the middle of November 1994 i came to the realisation that i was incapable of killing an animal and as such couldn't ask anybodyelse to do my dirty work for me

i have always subscribed to the idea that you should never ask someone to do something you are not prepared to do yourself - not being able to through lack of training, ability or injury is different but you should at least be prepared to get your hands dirty

in the west we have a choice available to us when it comes to our diet we are no longer hunter-gatherers eeking our survival off the land and whatever animal falls foul of our traps or spears

as such i know that i can go about my daily living without having to worry about putting food on my table because i can go to a shop and buy the produce that somebody else has provided through their own work

i also know that it is unlikely in the 21st Century that i will find myself in a survival situation however should i find myself in that position and the only way i could survive was to eat meat then i would despite my displeasure in doing so and i would have to kill that animal myself

let me make it clear now that i am not preaching what you should or shouldn't do or that all vegetarians should have my philosophy or 'religious' views (i don't count buddhism as a religion - buddha gave us nothing to believe in only a set of rules by which to live our lives)

each to their own, do what you want, it's not my place to say as i've got my own karma to worry about!

however i do have problems with people who try and ease their conscience by denying the truth of the situation or by associating themselves with something considered 'good' by the perceived majority of their peer group/society

do what you want but don't pretend it's something else in order to ease your conscience!

as i put before it could be argued if vegetarian means eating vegetables that everyone is has the word vegetarian in their diet name however the traditional most widely understood meaning of the word vegetarian is given in the quote above and that it is about not eating the flesh of an animal

the premise to my argument is that by using the name pesca-vegetarian or pollo-vegetarian is that by linking the eating of flesh to the percieved good of vegetarianism you are trying to ease your conscience "it's ok, i don't eat red meat!"

i say that's rubbish, an animal has still died to give you food but as i said before do what you want just don't pretend it's something else in order to ease your conscience!

sorry for the rant and please be assured that was in no way a personal attack on you Domino

[Davey Bones]

Dude, I'm not easing my conscience in any shape, way, or form. We all have our opinions, and I don't agree with yours. Nor do a number of professional nutritionists, for that matter. And don't go all self-righteous and then say "it wasn't a personal attack", THAT'S easing your conscience :D

[Moi]

unfertilized eggs and cheese have not had an animal killed directly (you can argue the indirect nature of milk and the veal trade but i'm not going there for this argument) in order to procure food for your table





MMMMMMMMmmmmmmmmmmmm Veal, so tender :love:

[DaveSlater]

dude a personal attack would be to say your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries not me suggesting an opinion based on your insistance in calling yourself a pesco-ovo-vegetarian

i merely put that in about a personal attack because you seemed defensive in your previous replies and i wanted to reassure you that is not what i'm about - i just want to make you think!

besides where do professional nutritionists come into this argument anyway?

i've mentioned nothing about the validity of a vegetarian diet when it comes to healthy eating all i've been talking about are people who claim to veggie in one breath (and are really proud of the fact i might add) and then say but i eat chicken and/or fish in the next

who are they trying to kid? me or themselves?

[Davey Bones]

i merely put that in about a personal attack because you seemed defensive in your previous replies and i wanted to reassure you that is not what i'm about - i just want to make you think!

And I'm merely pointing out that, as a general rule of thumb, people who begin sentences with "No offense" or "Don't take this personally" are finding some way to make comments which are usually personal and/or offensive.

besides where do professional nutritionists come into this argument anyway?

Uhm, because if they can classify me as vegetarian, then I care what you or PETA or anyone else thinks why?

We're going round in circles, and while amusing, it's starting to wear thin. You don't think I'm a vegetarian and I think you're wrong. So what's next for this thread?

[DaveSlater]

i think you'll find they're talking out their ass mate

courtesy of the vegetarian society:-

http://www.vegsoc.org/info/definitions.html


A vegetarian is someone living on a diet of grains, pulses, nuts, seeds, vegetables and fruits with or without the use of dairy products and eggs.

A vegetarian does not eat any meat, poultry, game, fish, shellfish or crustacea, or slaughter by-products.


http://www.vegsoc.org/fish/facts1.html


Vegetarians don’t eat fish and they never have. Many things have changed since The Vegetarian Society was founded in 1847 but two important definitions haven’t:

“ VEGETARIAN” – someone who doesn’t eat animals
“ FISH” – cold-blooded, water-dwelling animal

Fish may not appear as cute and cuddly as young lambs, however they do feel pain and they do suffer.


i'm not saying don't eat fish, just don't class eating fish as being remotely vegetarian

ovo-pescatarian is the correct term for your diet dude

[Davey Bones]

whatever dude.

Dave the Vegetarian.

[MatsunoCj]

whatever dude.

Dave the Vegetarian.

i dont see why people are trying to argue about this, if he says he doesnt eat beef, pork etc.. because hes vegetarian i dont see how anyone can argue just cause he eats fish, he should know what he is better than anyone else IMO

[*Magesty*]

I have to say in my personal opinion anyone who eats any form of animal such as fish isnt a vegetarian, as they are an animal. I'm not going to argue this is my personal view if you eat fish thats ok with me i just get confused and slightly annoyed by people who say they're one thing then do another.

[windtalker]

does frying vegetables in cooking grease that comes from animal fats make someone not a vegetarian?

will entire civilizations rise or fall depending on if domino eats fish and calls himself a vegetarian? if domino wants to call himself a vegetatian or maybe a republican it makes no difference to me.

never understood why anybody would deny themselves the pleasure of eating a good steak. even so the definition i always heard for vegetarian described someone that doesnt eat red meat.

if you eat a tomato are you still a vegetarian?

[wayne649]

i'll eat anything except brussel sprouts or custard

[Davey Bones]

never understood why anybody would deny themselves the pleasure of eating a good steak. even so the definition i always heard for vegetarian described someone that doesnt eat red meat.

I'll tell you why from my perspective... I've had a gastrointestinal disorder for about 25 years now. And guess what? Once I cut chicken, beef, pork and other forms of meat out of my diet, it hasn't flared up. Almost 3 years of pain and sick free. I'm actually healthy!

[cheesypeas]

does frying vegetables in cooking grease that comes from animal fats make someone not a vegetarian?

As a veggie, I make sure and use vegetable oil.:D


if you eat a tomato are you still a vegetarian?


Only if you refrain from eating tomatoes made from meat....lol... :Alien:

[Moi]

Only if you refrain from eating tomatoes made from meat....lol... :Alien:

Like a beef tomato :p

[cheesypeas]

Like a beef tomato :p

OMG......*faints*....


searches for her horsehair shirt as penance...lol :D

[Satori81]

Domino is what we'd call a "California Vegetarian" or a "Islander Vegetarian". The majority of "Vegetarians" in California and/or Hawaii (in my experience) still eat fish.

While a non-animal based eating habit can be extremely healthy, nutritionist in general agree that eating a vegetarian diet supplemented with non-toxic fish is, hands down, healthier than eating no animals at all.

I'll try to find some documentation on this.

The simple truth is that all of us veggie fiends choose our particular lifestyle for very personal reasons.

One person's specific reason for doing so does not invalidate, denigrate, or otherwise devalue another person's specific reason for doing the same.

[DaveSlater]

Domino is what we'd call a "California Vegetarian" or a "Islander Vegetarian". The majority of "Vegetarians" in California and/or Hawaii (in my experience) still eat fish.

my point for this is in the definition of the word vegetarian the choice of which is yours to take (no worlds will tumble which ever side of the fence you plant yourself)

either:

that of a 160yr old organisation devoted to the promotion of a vegetarian diet

OR

that of a sunbaked numpty from california (no disrespect to any californians who aren't numpties or sunbaked for that matter;-)

to class a diet as being vegetarian and then eat the flesh of an animal entirely misses the point irrespective of any health benefits from such a diet

[Satori81]

David: Visit some of the "Religion is Useless" threads, and you'll see that many modern Christians differ from what a 2000 year old set of teachings state.

Does that make them any less Christian?

No, it makes those who adhere to the fundamentals of the religion "Fundamentalists".

Classifications change.

Sure, we could argue back and forth over who has "TEH R33L VEGEETARY-NISM"...but all that does is further segregate us...

...and don't you think we already suffer enough criticism from meat eaters as is?

The LAST thing we need to do is start attacking each other for perceived "Weaknesses" in our lifestyles...

...and instead start recognizing and appreciating the efforts other people go through in honor of a lifestyle we consider sacred.

[DaveSlater]

guess i'm a fundamentalist then!

sorry for any offence caused i frankly do not care what you eat, my girlfriend of 5yrs is an avid carnivore

i choose not to eat any flesh myself but the fact she does isn't a problem at all

my only premise is that this is a pretty fundamental fundamental when it comes down to definition of a diet that is about not eating the flesh of an animal

i personally can't see how that can change and still be vegetarianism

[Davey Bones]

my point for this is in the definition of the word vegetarian the choice of which is yours to take (no worlds will tumble which ever side of the fence you plant yourself)

either:

that of a 160yr old organisation devoted to the promotion of a vegetarian diet

OR

that of a sunbaked numpty from california (no disrespect to any californians who aren't numpties or sunbaked for that matter;-)

to class a diet as being vegetarian and then eat the flesh of an animal entirely misses the point irrespective of any health benefits from such a diet

Dude, drop it already, please. You're starting to annoy me and everyone else off with your incessant demands that we all follow your definition. We get it, according to you I'm a carnivore. As I said earlier, whatever. This is getting very old, very fast. You're as bad as a Bible thumper. And that's not a good thing.

[DaveSlater]

as you wish Domino - no offence was ever intended, just eschewing my opinion

granted, that may have appeared to have been done in an overzealous way and for that i apologise to you & the board

[bujingodai]

I'm a meat eater. I love meat and all food in general except Italian cooking.
Meat should be made fresh and red. Unless it'd make you sick LOL

[Satori81]

I'm a meat eater. I love meat and all food in general except Italian cooking.
Meat should be made fresh and red. Unless it'd make you sick LOL

You're just angry because us Jiu-Jitsu guys are stealing all your Ninjers away from you.

:topic:

:D

[windtalker]

websters new world dictionary- vegetarian.noun-one who eats no meat.
adj.-1 of vegetarians 2 consisting only of vegetables.

does fish classify as meat? have to say domino sounds right there. if we really must nit-pick the subject let me ask you this.

vegetable=vegetarian. tomato=fruit. vegitable+tomato=vegetarian? if you can eat tomatos and still be a vegetarian why not fish?

[Hiroji]

I was a vegitarian for a while, keep toying with the idea. Im now an insectivore.

Humans by nature and design werent meant to eat meat it seems...

We share the same jaw and teeth structure to most other plant eaters, we are useless at seeing in the dark, useless at hunting with our bare hands, cant eat raw meat...

...not saying a nice flame grilled chicken fillet isnt on the menu though :D

[wayne649]

Humans by nature and design werent meant to eat meat it seems...

We share the same jaw and teeth structure to most other plant eaters, we are useless at seeing in the dark, useless at hunting with our bare hands, cant eat raw meat...

perhaps thats why we were given the ability to use tools and traps and start fires?

[Hiroji]

perhaps thats why we were given the ability to use tools and traps and start fires?

Yeh i was only joking, i think most people would agree that humans are omnivorous by nature.

[Moi]

I'm a meat eater. I love meat and all food in general except Italian cooking.
Meat should be made fresh and red. Unless it'd make you sick LOL


Red meat should not be fresh, it should be hung.

[adouglasmhor]

websters new world dictionary- vegetarian.noun-one who eats no meat.
adj.-1 of vegetarians 2 consisting only of vegetables.

does fish classify as meat? have to say domino sounds right there. if we really must nit-pick the subject let me ask you this.

vegetable=vegetarian. tomato=fruit. vegitable+tomato=vegetarian? if you can eat tomatos and still be a vegetarian why not fish?

Fruits are part of the vegetable kingdom, they are made of vegetable matter.

[shootodog]

i admire vegans for their discipline but personally am not one. i'm TOO FILIPINO (aka omnivore) to be one.

[SteelyPhil]

Omnivore ftw. I'm not going to deny myself the pleasure of steak and chips!

[winchunguy]

possible to change vote from omnivore to carnivore? just a shot list of some animals that ive enjoyed over the dinner table.

deer, rabbit, squirrel, groundhog, rattlesnake, quail, duck, elk, beef, lamb, chicken, raccoon, turtle, alligator, boar, pork, and turkey.

doesnt include fish, vegtibles and bread groups.

That makes it official, you're a certified hillbilly! :D

Somehow when I hear the word 'vegetarian' , I get a mental image of a pasty faced skinny weakling, meat's good! :)

BTW, you were right about the US army and winchun training. I just heard back from from a drill sargent I know. Sorry...

[Kenpo_Iz_Active]

mmm...meat (and veggies)...

[windtalker]

That makes it official, you're a certified hillbilly! :D

Somehow when I hear the word 'vegetarian' , I get a mental image of a pasty faced skinny weakling, meat's good! :)

BTW, you were right about the US army and winchun training. I just heard back from from a drill sargent I know. Sorry...

hey wingchunguy,
some of the forementioned animals represent typical meals around here. others like squid or shrimp might get sampled at the resturants when my wife and i go out to dinner. yes im probably a hillbilly. we just have been rasied to enjoy a wide variety of food. and i love hunting.

why theres such intrest with those military fighting styles is beyond my ability to comprehend. some people in my family like jeff or jester maintain theres considerable value with them. maybe i could see that with krav maga yet the majority looks too limited in concept and technique.

just for a minute would like to address wing chun since it got mentioned. during another thread maybe things went from conversation to tiresome debate. again my point of view is to look at things for what they are not for what someone wants to believe.

maybe its a jkd thing. always expect some kind of evidence to support any theory. when ive seen proof the perspective might change. the mentality of my instructor sums that up well. something like talking at the water cooler is one thing. doing on the floor is another.

[windtalker]

just sitting here eating this 'old-fashioned' breakfast and wondering if you veggies know what your missing. scrambled eggs, bacon, grits, sausage, gravy and biscuits.with a large glass of milk. so good!! maybe ive got enough room here for those fried apples.

[Moi]

just sitting here eating this 'old-fashioned' breakfast and wondering if you veggies know what your missing. scrambled eggs, bacon, grits, sausage, gravy and biscuits.with a large glass of milk. so good!! maybe ive got enough room here for those fried apples.

What's grits? And biscuit? Got a recipe for biscuit and gravy? Our (Uk) gravy tends to be a thinner affair than yours. Need to try your biscuit and gravy.

[Mitch]

just sitting here eating this 'old-fashioned' breakfast and wondering if you veggies know what your missing. scrambled eggs, bacon, grits, sausage, gravy and biscuits.with a large glass of milk. so good!! maybe ive got enough room here for those fried apples.
Saturated fats, salt and poor quality meat mixed with eyeballs and sawdust by the sound of it. :p

Mitch

[Moi]

Saturated fats, salt and poor quality meat mixed with eyeballs and sawdust by the sound of it. :p

Mitch

My mouths watering already :D

[sn11]

Red meat should not be fresh, it should be hung.

Hehe something in that sentence that made me giggle slightly.


I mainly eat chicken more than any other meat. No im not a vegeterian as some people say you can be and eat chicken/fish or whatever.

I do like steak though, i like to try varieties. Then i'll keep eating what i like. So yeh classify away! :p

[windtalker]

What's grits? And biscuit? Got a recipe for biscuit and gravy? Our (Uk) gravy tends to be a thinner affair than yours. Need to try your biscuit and gravy.

grits come from corn. most people say they have the oatmeal texture and kind of resemble white rice. the preference is to add butter and/or sugar. far as i can tell instant grits isnt that bad. have eaten grits all my life.

biscuits-2 cups flour and 1 tbl. spoon of baking powder. half a teaspoon of salt with a third cup of shortning and cup of milk.

stir flour with baking powder and salt in mixing bowl. use blender to mix shortning into bowl. it shoud look kind of dry there. then add milk and stir a great deal.

roll out the dough on a floured surface. and knead dough by folding and pressing till smooth. should be about half or more thick. use biscuit cutter to cut dough.

put biscuits on a baking sheet without grease and space them an inch or two apart. bake at 450 in oven for about 10 minutes or so and serve hot. there should be about 10 or 12 biscuits depending on how you cut them.

thats how i make biscuits. sometimes i use buttermilk instead of regular milk. matter of preference.

[windtalker]

hey martialdad,
forgot to mention how gravy is made. the version i make uses a lot of things that would disgust the veggies here. also im not good at making gray. it usually turns out lumpy.

now if you want a good recipe for squirrel or deer roast that i could do without much trouble.

[Moi]

hey martialdad,
forgot to mention how gravy is made. the version i make uses a lot of things that would disgust the veggies here. also im not good at making gray. it usually turns out lumpy.

now if you want a good recipe for squirrel or deer roast that i could do without much trouble.


I shall be cooking that tomorrow, I'll work the gravy out myself unless someone posts a reciepe

[Mitch]

Our (Uk) gravy tends to be a thinner affair than yours.
You need to add arrowroot.

And cider too if possible.

Especially with really rare pan-fried liver :D

Mitch

[Vazula]

HMMMMM Vegetarian, from the old Lakota word for .......can't HUNT!!!!! :p

As to gravy, sausage gravy specifically.
cook a good amount of bulk breakfast sausage remove meat leaving "drippings" in the pan, over a medium flame, add flower until you have a good rue, then add milk (whole unless you are a weakling, a metrosexual, or in some other way infirm) cook down to thicken. season to taste, add cooked sausage back to gravy, serve over biscuits (American style not Euro) see recipe above.
Enjoy!!! then run about a BIZZILLION laps around the block to work off the the tera-ton of calories you have just consumed.

[JHughes]

i'll eat pretty much anything as long as it's edable. people moan about eating meat when they do eat vegetables which is still killing living organisms as well if you think about it.