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Thomas
11-Feb-2008, 01:08 PM
For those who haven't heard yet, the Big South Gate (Nam Dae Moon) in Seoul in the heart of the huge market area was set on fire and burned, later collapsing. This is a tragic loss of a huge cultural asset.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6YWuqBVKdY

Korea Herald:

Restoring the Sungnyemun, the 610-year-old national treasure which was destroyed by an overnight fire, is expected to take up to three years and cost about 20 billion won, an official at the Cultural Heritage Administration estimated.

The landmark gate, standing in the heart of Seoul, was reduced to ugly twisted beams and ashes. The gate, better known as Namdaemun, was designated as National Treasure No. 1 in 1962.

Police have yet to determine the cause, but suspect an arson attack because of witnesses' statements and two cigarette lighters found inside the structure. No one was injured in the blaze.

"Though we have yet to discover the exact scale of the devastation, the restoration work will take two to three years," said Kim Sang-gu, a senior official at the CHA. "In 2006, we drew a real-size blueprint of the Sungnyemun as part of our efforts to establish anti-fire systems for major wooden cultural relics, so we can technically restore the archetype of the gate."

President-elect Lee Myung-bak visited the scene of the inferno yesterday, and expressed deep sadness over the collapse of the national treasure.

"(Namdaemun) was a symbolic cultural heritage of our nation; its devastation aches the hearts of the citizens," said the grim-faced Lee.

The fire broke out at around 8:50 p.m. on Sunday somewhere between the first and second levels of the landmark gate. At about 2 a.m. yesterday, the two-tiered wooden structure collapsed.

Police and firefighters are criticized for having failed to promptly respond; they apparently feared that the ancient gate could be damaged by anti-fire efforts.

According to a taxi driver, an eyewitness, the gate was set ablaze about two minutes after a man presumably in his 50s climbed up the stairs to the wooden part of it.

The government held an emergency meeting yesterday, presided over by Prime Minister Han Duck-soo.

During the meeting, it was decided to set up a task force to coordinate the efforts of all parties concerned in ascertaining the exact cause of the fire and restoring the landmark. Administration members spoke of the need to check and strengthen safety measures to protect all the national treasures.

The presidential transition committee also called on investigating authorities and relevant agencies to get to the bottom of the case and take proper measures to deal with it.

"I feel sorry to our descendents for failing to protect the gate. The incoming government needs to check related policies and systems regarding the management of such cultural gems," said Lee Kyung-sook, the committee chairwoman.

Police yesterday launched a full-scale investigation into the fire. However, they have yet to determine the exact cause of the fire, and are leaving open all possibilities.

"We questioned three witnesses, but some parts of their accounts clashed with one another. We also analyzed images from four closed-circuit televisions installed around the gate, but failed to secure the scenes of a suspect moving up the Sungnyemun," said Kim Young-su, head of the Namdaemun Police Station which is handling the case.

He added, "The exact spot and cause of the fire will be verified after the results of the forensic investigation come out."

Police are also looking into whether there was any negligence by those in charge of maintaining the gate. They questioned security guards and supervising personnel.

Experts say that the fire was likely caused by an arsonist, as the flames were first seen from the second floor of the wooden structure where there were no electrical illumination devices. Also, some firefighters found two cigarette lighters at the scene.

By law, anyone who sets fire to a nationally designated cultural relic could face a jail sentence exceeding three years.

Lawmakers criticized authorities for failing to timely and systematically react to the incident to salvage the landmark gate.

"(Authorities) were quite at a loss while I was watching the gate engulfed in flames for five hours. I was wondering whether any national system, in general, functions properly," said Sohn Hak-kyu, the new chief of the United New Democratic Party.

"Since this was presumably an arson fire and people seem to blame the fire department's misjudgment in putting out the fire, we need to thoroughly verify the cause and draw up measures to prevent the repeat of such incident," said Kang Jae-sup, chief of the Grand National Party.

A palpable sense of frustration prevailed among citizens in Seoul regarding the devastated landmark.

"Opening Namdaemun to the general public, the authorities had only six fire extinguishers, which shows how neglectful they were in managing our precious relics. At around 11 p.m. on Sunday, the overall shape of the gate remained pretty intact, but their late response to the fire and the failure to coordinate the efforts of all parties engaged in extinguishing the fire reduced the gate to rubble," said Kim Jae-min, an office worker in Seoul.

"Watching the scene of our best landmark on fire, I felt like one of my close friends was burning alive. Rather than passing the buck, we need to check anti-fire plans once again to prevent another precious treasure from disappearing again," said Shim Gyu-in, a college student in Seoul.

By Song Sang-ho

(sshluck@heraldm.com)

psbn matt
11-Feb-2008, 03:32 PM
i heard this on the news today, very sad :( . saw this wonderfull piece of architecture while i was in seoul in 2005, i hope they restore it back to it's former glory.

narcsarge
11-Feb-2008, 06:34 PM
Wow! First England has fire in the Commons and now this! Could be we have a new form of terrorism which strikes at cultural markets?

Seriously though both of these incidents are tragic losses.

DaeHanL
11-Feb-2008, 07:07 PM
My mom told me about this event just this morning after watching it on SBS. i think the nation as a whole is heart-broken. my entire family is down in the dumps. I can't believe when i go back home next year i won't be able to show my wife korea's most precious treasure. :(

pauli
11-Feb-2008, 08:05 PM
so... they copied down blueprints, but didn't bother to install a smoke detector?

DaeHanL
11-Feb-2008, 08:08 PM
yeah, i thought that was silliness. I would think they would install a sprinkler system of some sort. i know it would have taken away from the building aesthetically, but oh well. easy to say now, in hindsight of the matter I guess.

Cait
12-Feb-2008, 01:55 AM
This is just a huge tragedy... My feelings go out to the people of Korea for the loss.

Studude67
12-Feb-2008, 05:29 AM
SEOUL, South Korea (CNN) -- A 69-year-old who was previously convicted of torching a palace has been arrested in connection with a fire that destroyed Namdaemun, South Korea's oldest wooden structure and a national treasure, authorities said on Tuesday.


Similarities between the Sunday night fire and the 2006 blaze led to the investigation of a man identified only as Mr. Chae, said Kim Young-Su, chief of police of the Namdaemun police station. Chae had served time in prison for the palace fire.

Police searched the home of Chae's ex-wife and found a can of paint thinner and a pair of leather gloves they believe were used in the fire, Kim said.

Chae confessed to starting the fire, saying he was upset by a land grievance that led him to start the 2006 fire and by the sentence he was handed in that case, Kim said.

Chae was free on a suspended sentence, Kim added.

Chae said he chose Namdaemun because it was easily accessible by public transportation and yet situated in a lightly populated area where the fire was unlikely to hurt people, according to police.
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The fire burned for hours, and more than a hundred firefighters tried to save it.

Namdaemun was more than 600 years old and stood at the center of Seoul, having served as a main gate into the capital for centuries. The gate was considered a national symbol to Koreans around the world.



I used to pass the gate almost everyday in the bus, it looked especially great at night, its a big shame and the feeling here amongst people i spoke to is quite low.

slipthejab
12-Feb-2008, 05:42 AM
How sad and ironic.

Sad:
For obvious reasons. But one of the saddest is that the Korean government couldn't manage their cultural relics better. Seriously... a predominately wooden structure of that size and cultural importance and only 2 fire extinguishers?!? No extinguisher system in place?!

The Korean government has no one to blame but themselves for this happening. Shame on them. I suspect it's not the only structure like this at risk in Korea. I suspect the vast majority of them are in the same precarious state.

Ironic:
In that right off the bat... other forums and YouTube had no end of comments pointing the finger at the Japanese or the Chinese. Ah nothing like a bit of national tragedy to bring out the ultra nationalism and racism in people and start blaming everyone else for the problem. Yet now apparently it turns out to be a Korean who actually started the fire that burned the structure down. :rolleyes:

The whole thing is sad on so many different levels.

Here's the BBC newscast live:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DffHEEIhB-s&feature=related

Here's the live Korean Newscast
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzQ9vjNOz8E&feature=related

slipthejab
12-Feb-2008, 03:05 PM
To add....

Today our papers here in Asia had this on just about every front page!!
Wow... just nuts... such a beautiful piece of work. If some heads don't seriously role over this... then it will be double sad for the Korean people. According to what I read in the South China Morning Post - there have been several incidents like this in the last five years. Surely you would think someone would put two and two together and get with the program and institute a fire risk management procedure for building that are national monuments and historically and culturally valuable.

While they can rebuild this it's going to be very, very difficult to find the craftsman that reproduce the period joinery that this type of a building has. I suspect that similar to other Japanese and Chinese building of this style there are very few if any nails used in this structure... often these types of structures are built of very sophisticated interlocking joints that require no nails or screw or any other fastening devices. It's somewhat of a craft that is soon to die out. I wouldn't at all be surprised if they had to bring in experts from either China or Japan to be able to finish it.

Here in Hong Kong the Chi Lin Nunnery is built in the same style pretty much and it took years of wrangling to have the properly skilled craftsman from China come in and build the joints for the structure. I suspect they'll have the same problems in Korea.

Christ the only upside to this whole mess I can imagine are the two following:

1) Hopefully they institute a country wide scheme for protecting these sorts of buildings.

2) If anyone ever was curious how these buildings looked going up in flames during the years of warfare within Korea.. now they know what an awesome* sight it is when one of these buildings go up flames.

*before anyone jumps down my throat about using the word awesome... understand the context in which it's being used.

DaeHanL
12-Feb-2008, 03:16 PM
i guess you have a sick sense of humor slip. i just don't get your #2

slipthejab
12-Feb-2008, 03:40 PM
i guess you have a sick sense of humor slip. i just don't get your #2

You guess wrong. Nothing sick about it.
For those who are interested in history and all the elements of destruction that war and conflict entails... it is rather awesome to see one of these buildings go up in flame. No less awesome than it is to see NYC's Twin Towers come crashing down in the modern era.

Again... the key is that you understand the context that the word awesome is being used in here. It has nothing to do with humor.

Watch any of the Kurosawa films... they have many similarly magnificent structures in them during the war scenes (in fact some of them feature some of the most magnificent architecture of Japan)... now those buildings obviously can't be destroyed for a film. In fact none of the scenes of destruction in those films equal the site of Namdaemun burning... CG didn't exist at that time... and what special effects they do have are limited. Seeing a building like that first hand burn makes me understand how terrifying it would be to a person living in ancient times seeing a building like that going up in smoke and flame. The awestruck sense of dread... if a powerful building like that can go up... how helpless is a mere human?

Can you imagine how awestruck and horrified your average late Choson period Korean peasant would have been seeing a building like that go up in flames??!?! It would have verged on other wordly... much in the same way a European peasants would have most likely viewed the destruction of any of the magnificent cathedrals of Europe in much the same manner.

So please... understand what I'm actually saying... it's not what you've interpreted it as. ;)

DaeHanL
12-Feb-2008, 04:54 PM
You guess wrong. Nothing sick about it.
For those who are interested in history and all the elements of destruction that war and conflict entails... it is rather awesome to see one of these buildings go up in flame. No less awesome than it is to see NYC's Twin Towers come crashing down in the modern era.

Again... the key is that you understand the context that the word awesome is being used in here. It has nothing to do with humor.

Watch any of the Kurosawa films... they have many similarly magnificent structures in them during the war scenes (in fact some of them feature some of the most magnificent architecture of Japan)... now those buildings obviously can't be destroyed for a film. In fact none of the scenes of destruction in those films equal the site of Namdaemun burning... CG didn't exist at that time... and what special effects they do have are limited. Seeing a building like that first hand burn makes me understand how terrifying it would be to a person living in ancient times seeing a building like that going up in smoke and flame. The awestruck sense of dread... if a powerful building like that can go up... how helpless is a mere human?

Can you imagine how awestruck and horrified your average late Choson period Korean peasant would have been seeing a building like that go up in flames??!?! It would have verged on other wordly... much in the same way a European peasants would have most likely viewed the destruction of any of the magnificent cathedrals of Europe in much the same manner.

So please... understand what I'm actually saying... it's not what you've interpreted it as. ;)

i knew what you meant to a degree. I would rather see it burn in CGI, personally. the white house in Independence Day for example.

klaasb
12-Feb-2008, 08:09 PM
What do you mean CGI??? I thought they really blew up the white house for that movie ;) Damn, you just ruined the complete movie for me.

It is a shame that it happened. I really enjoyed the changing of the guard ceremony last summer. At the palace as well.

Good thing they have the blueprints, don't get why it should take three years though.

tort
13-Feb-2008, 05:59 AM
I've only seen a breif mention of it on the news here in the States; I caught something about it on the asian channel on cable but my japanese is so rusty all I could make out is that they had caught some guy and he was 69 yrs. old. Does anyone have anymore info on this?

klaasb
13-Feb-2008, 06:33 AM
http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200802/200802130010.html

slipthejab
13-Feb-2008, 07:37 AM
Hmmm... interesting back story on the old man. It makes you wonder what the details were of the compensation he was given for his land. If Korea handles compensation packages for developed land anything like China does... I can understand why he'd be so angry. That doesn't justify burning down a cultural relic... but it helps to understand the motivation behind the act. Here in China people every year commit suicide in protest against land grabs by the government. A great many more end up in prison or forced labor camps for daring to bring their grievances to Beijing. I'd be curious to know how different the Korean system is in dealing with this sort of thing.

klaasb
14-Feb-2008, 07:18 AM
I only know that in recent years buying ground has been a way for many Koreans to invest their money. So my guess would be that they can make good money by selling it later.
So they are not simply disowned by the government, they actually get compensated and for many the compensation is good enough to invest in it.

Like you said, I am interested in this man's personal motives.