Sakabatou ?

[Noia]

Only came across this a few days ago, not found much info on it; what is a Sakabatou? So far it seems to be a reverse edge katana. Any one knows if it's real, wieldable etc. Also, does any one know what the price range for a Sakabatou and a plane katana is roughly? I'm interested in getting some, always been fascinated with martial arts, specifically swords and sticks. Before alarm bells start ringing, no, I'm not gona buy one....yet....gona wait a few years first, was just wondering.

Any info would be great, thanks.

PS: No, this is not to look 'leet' with a sword, I truly find swords graceful.

[JediMasterChris]

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:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: !!!!


Probably got that off of Rorouni Kenshin...

[Noia]

The name? Yea, thats why I'm asking, dosn't strike me as usable :confused: or even all that real. Not trying to offend any one, but I did google some and got some half-shady results so I'm not sure what to belive.

[JediMasterChris]

Sorry, it just seems lately so many people have all these Martial Arts questions having to do with Anime, didn't mean to come off as offensive, but people are wanting to base their whole training off of things like DBZ and RK!

[Noia]

Ha! true....wouldn't it be great to jump miles into the air? (only to be a floating target for any one with a good aim!)

Yea, I get where your coming from, don't worry, was just interested. Still am interested in the price range for "usable" Katanas or a decent standard.

[JediMasterChris]

Ah, that's good, are there any schools open in your area? I wouldn't buy a Katana unless you are taking an art, a decently useable katana can be $1k, a good Katana can run MUCH, higher, but you will probably won't want to start off with a super expensive one.

[Noia]

Not that I know of, I did some training with wooden swords when I lived I norway....I was acctualy attending Karate classes, but my Sensei's knew alot of different styles so we did alot of different stuff, always enjoyed the swords and sticks the most.

Hmm....Looks like I'll be saving up for a while, tho I am picky on balance.....really picky...I made my fighting stick myself, even balanced it by inserting ball bearings into a drilled hole on the sides. Sorry if I don't know the technical terms for there weapons, we were never meant to learn them :s I stoped Karate now, still practive the Katas and the katas with sticks and wooden swords tho. Have to find a club around here now....hehe. Thanks.

[JediMasterChris]

Ah, no problem, good to see somebody actually interested in taking an art and not self training.

The "stick" made from wood is called a boken, unless you are talking about the bamboo/wood stick, like the kind used in Kendo, which is called a Shinai.

[Noia]

Cool, I have been self training sorta, tho it's just repeating what I know untill I find a dojo.

[JediMasterChris]

That's FINE, as long as it's a review of basics you thoroughly covered with an instructor, but don't try learning new things from a video/book.


Good luck finding a Dojo!

Also keep in mind the cost of a uniform, they usually run about $350 for an okay Iaigi, Hakama, Obi, Tabi, etc... but you can get some for cheaper if you look, if you are a beginner don't get a blue uniform unless you know how to take care of it, and wash it. You might end up looking like a smurf after you wear it.

[Noia]

Thanks, oh, also, not sure if you answerd my question but there is no such thing as a "Sakabatou" (coz that means I can slap my Anime-obsessed friend around a little, hehe)

Thanks for the info :)

[JediMasterChris]

Actually there are reversed blade swords, but they aren't worth the money, mostly for collectors.

[Noia]

:O Damn! hehe. That would be kinda cool acctualy, to have one of those 'shrines' with the three Katanas on them, one large one medium and one reversed. Oh well, have a nice week end :)

[Cudgel]

well I would have to say that the price range of a usable katana is less than $1k maybe $400.

Yeah just my little two cents

[47Ronin]

Made by Paul chen or something....

[JediMasterChris]

Yeah it's usable, but hard to use and makes that annoying squeaky noise under the tsuka and isn't very durable... other than that a 400$ sword is fine.

[Luthen_inadon]

www.swordsonline.com has a Sakabatou (they also have a fully functional Masamune)

[boom]

Ok first of the sword your talking about is real and it is weildable. The cheapest one i seen around was about $200. I know all this because its a sword i want to get and use my self its awesome and ive got away to use it most people wouldnt try. But off that subjected does anyone know where i can get a custom made katana it needs to be 7 foot long. Evan if its just a collectable. See im into the final fantasys and well sephiroth is my fave ff chara and well i want his sword badly evan if it cant have its true spetial ability.

[Anth]

Psssst, the last post before your's was 6th January 2004. The orignal thread starter hasn't been active since 13th December 2003. What do you think the chances of them reading your reply are? ;)

[Aegis]

Ok first of the sword your talking about is real and it is weildable.

It may have been made, but I think the original question's intent was to find out if it was ever actually used, which it wasn't. It's impractical and dangerous to attempt to use, so it would only ever be a wall hanger really.

The cheapest one i seen around was about $200. I know all this because its a sword i want to get and use my self its awesome and ive got away to use it most people wouldnt try.

Might I recommend that you avoid anywhere selling a sharp or semi-sharp version, as experimenting with a sword is seriously risky business even when blunt.

But off that subjected does anyone know where i can get a custom made katana it needs to be 7 foot long.

That wouldn't be a katana... it wouldn't even be a no-dachi, as those are around 5.5 to 6 foot total length (maybe 4.5 foot of blade). Custom made swords that large would set you back a long way, and if made traditionally would be nearly unwieldable. My advice would be to look intoa non-martial arts sword side (ie somewhere specialising in replicas) to see if they have it.

[Infrazael]

A reversed-blade sword is possible to make, but would rather shatter quickly.

If you like, I could go into detail.

[Stolenbjorn]

A reversed-blade sword is possible to make, but would rather shatter quickly.

If you like, I could go into detail.

Based on what? I take you mean reversed curve on the cutting edge, and there are examples of reversed blades . The scythe and the Hoe(?) are blade-reversed, and they don't shatter if you accidentally hit a rock with them, etc. (I know, I've used such tools.)The Kophesh: http://forums.swordforum.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=14069&pagenumber=2 and the Romphaia: http://forums.swordforum.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=27599&highlight=Romphaia

Both theese swordtypes were used for real. They are from the middle east /southeast europe and dates from the end of the bronze-age to well into the iron age.

[Infrazael]

There was this whole scientific explanation of why it wouldn't work.

I'm trying to find the link. . . . .

[Cudgel]

bascially rom what I understand of japanese swordsmithing make a reverse bladed sword would not be structurally sound and more prone to shattering than a tradtional sword....there is a thread or two on it at SFI.....

http://forums.swordforum.com/search.php?s=&action=showresults&searchid=537906&sortby=lastpost&sortorder=descending
this link is not to thread but to a search I did so u can u can all see the other threads
There is somethign like 2 pages worths of info enjoy

[K_Coffin]

Right. Sounds like you guys have got most things under control.

As far as the Odachi/Nodachi, good luck. If you want a traditionally made Odachi/Nodachi, you're looking at at least $10,000 USD. And that's because you would have to buy an original 4-500 year old sword. As far as a recent replica - also, good luck. If you can find one, I doubt that it will be made by a reputable smith, so your chances of finding one that will hold up to training are about 50-50. Also, are you studying any martial/sword arts right now? I'd recommend it, especially if you don't want to hurt yourself. It's possible to train yourself, just not too effective, and definitely not very efficient.

[tekkengod]

you can get a "great quality" sword for about $750 and if you're talking ,
"super effective/ combat quality" anywhere from $900 to as far up {as i've seen} as $2800. 2 VERY good sites for swords of that quality, authenticity and nature are
www.coldsteel.com and
www.mantisswords.com
they are both very good sites and carry a wide variety of quality swords and other weapons.
while i'm at it.
www.agenasai.com for quality sai. about $550