Seloun-Do [Archive] - Martial Arts Planet

Alexander

10-Dec-2003, 11:42 AM

As requested KickChick,

Seloun-Do translates as New Way. It was created in England from a Korean martial art by a Mauritian TKD instructor and is only about a year or so old. I've been gong through exam hell recently so I can't claim to know everything about it as I havn't been able to get to training as often as I'd liked, but I'll list all it's differances below that leap to mind:

1) Classical Patterns have been excluded from our training syllabus, the instructor will still teach them, but only on request by a student.

2) All classical stances have been done away with, except stance which can be used for muscle strengthening.

3) All punches and blocks no longer start from the hip. It's a bit like kickboxing in that sense - but you can see where the techniques have come from.

4) This may not count, but we spend more time on grappelling, takedowns, locks, throws and counterthrows, counterlocks and countertakedowns than other schools I've visited.

5) Belt system is differant from most ITF schools.

6) Each student must prepare a personal combination, consisting of at least nine moves, against x number of opponents, which we call the 'flowzone.' After it has been performed the instructor will ask questions such as:
What was that move?
Where was it aimed?
What damage would it do?
How much force is necessary to inflict that damage?
That force equates to x number of boards. Go and Break them using that technique.

Well, that's all that spring to mind, If I think of anymore I'll let you know.
G'Day.

JohnG

10-Dec-2003, 12:21 PM

Sounds interesting. What is the name of the Mauritian TKD Instructor?

Alexander

10-Dec-2003, 02:25 PM

His name is Anthony Marie. He knows Roger Koo I think, of Koo self Defense. I would put a link down for our club's webpage or Roger Koo's but our club doesn't have one yet and I don't know what Master Koo's is. But I know you can find the Koo Self Defense webpage if you type it into Google. He's located in the United States I think.

mountainsage

10-Dec-2003, 03:53 PM

He is in Georgia. I am a traditional TKDer, yet find his process very interesting. Koo's stuff is very self-defense oriented.

Mountainsage

Alexander

11-Dec-2003, 08:34 AM

From what I've heard from my instructor, Roger Koo's students can generate phenominal power, as they concentrate mostly on the aggressive movements. But the flip side is that apparently they cannot block or parry. Don't quote me on that but I've heard it's the case.

KickChick

11-Dec-2003, 01:50 PM

Originally posted by Alexander
As requested KickChick,

Thanks so much for posting your description of Seloun-Do....
interesting.

Ah yes, I have heard of Koo Self- Defense (http://ksdi.net/wybb.htm) .... home of the World's Youngest Black Belts.....

...:rolleyes:

JohnG

11-Dec-2003, 02:16 PM

5 year old black belts :eek:

Is this some kind of joke?

SoKKlab

12-Dec-2003, 10:23 AM

NewsFlash:

That 5 year old has now been promoted to Grand Master....

JohnG

12-Dec-2003, 10:54 AM

He'll be opening his own dojo soon then presumably!

Perhaps by the time he's 30, he'll be introducing himself as the worlds only 25th Dan!

estranged13

13-Dec-2003, 02:03 AM

are they serious?

mjhian

17-May-2005, 03:30 PM

Who promoted Mr. Marie to 7th Degree?
He left the ITF as a 3rd Degree at most.

Smokemare

17-May-2005, 04:02 PM

Hmmm, the test seems very focused on breaking boards. Personally I find board breaking a very poor judge of smoeone ability to fight. Yes being able to break 3 black boards is impressive...

Personally the way I like to train with boards is to put one or two on the holder, and try and break them with no measure and with as little distance judging as possible. I think spending a lifetime taking measures and practice shots like some people like to do is counter productive.

Also really fixed holders are counter productive, really the holder should move back as freely as possible - that better simulates hitting a person.

Last time I competed I broke 1 black with a punch, 1 with a Knife Hand and 1 with a reverse turning kick. I didn't place with that, but if my turning kick and side kick had been successful I would have gotten joint first. I like breaking for the novelty factor but I don't see it as an important or practical part of MA.

Alexander

17-May-2005, 04:21 PM

Wow... This is an old thread!

O.k, any queries about the system itself or the instructor then its probably best e-mail the club. The contact details are on the webpage: www.ajima.plus.com

Smokemare - the instructor would agree with you I think. Generally when asked why we break stuff he replies that its really confidence building as boards don't hit back. Sparring (I didn't mention this originally) is actually a huge part of the test - everyone I've trained with at this place shares your thoughts that board breaking and patterns are no substitute for sparring: I think to get to red belt you need to free-spar two on one, and black requires three on one. I could be wrong on this one though so if there are any queries best go to the webpage.

American HKD

17-May-2005, 06:12 PM

Liamtkd

17-May-2005, 06:32 PM

Funny it sounds sort of like Hapkido

Don't you start again ;)

mjhian

18-May-2005, 09:39 PM

To practice Breaking is also to practice good technique.
It is not just -if you break the board- an Examiner will ask you to line-up to see if you apply the correct (area of the) tool for the job. The break is almost secondary - unless you dont break it ;-)

Taekwon

Ajima

08-Jun-2005, 12:47 PM

Hi Mj

I take it you are a member of ITF, as I was an Instructor for the ukta. I assume that you are involve with them also, I am delighted that they remember me, for your information I was promoted by a special panel made up of people who believe in the same values. As for why I left, I would not even go there, it would be openning Pandora's box, but go to the top, then contact me I'll provide you with evidence, thanks for the interest and good luck with your training

PS I can also explain the "power break principle" to you as you are mistaken about our training methods.

Master Marie BSc 7th degree

mjhian

10-Jun-2005, 10:49 PM

Ajima

13-Jun-2005, 06:01 PM

I was not referring to your training methods in my previous text. I was referring to purpose of destruction techniques within a Martial Art.

No I am not UKTA. I do not know if the UKTA remember you.
I do know what is in Pandoras Box and that you were unfairly treated: enough said.

Mj

I’m intrigue? How do you know who I am? No disrespect intended, could not tell the tone of your text. The purpose of breaking boards by the way is for the students to discover their full potential and capacity using a variety of techniques, which can then be used in a confrontational situation without fear. This is an abridge version. Enjoy your training.

mjhian

14-Jun-2005, 11:07 PM

So the person discovers their full potential and capacity using the variety of techniques, which can be used in a confrontational situation without fear (abridged) - but since the quality of technique is of no significance, they are now in A&E...?
Agreed - you can measure progress in your development of strength, accuracy, speed, balance, willpower and concentration but at the end of the day, this will only happen when the technique has been applied correctly.

(Rewind a bit) An examiner must see that a technique is applied properly (lign-up) before they are sure that the student is capable of executing that technique effectively without damaging themselves. But then the student should already have been practicing the technique and confident that they are able to apply the theory of power, etc, etc, etc at that given moment - a synthetic confrontational situation...your will against the board..under the duress of the grading :-/

Regards All

Ajima

15-Jun-2005, 09:40 AM

The abridged version was for a quick reply, there is more to our teaching that you will comprehend in one sentence. However none of our students have ever suffered an injury in training or at a grading, that’s not a bad 25 years record. Unfortunately, certain people in martial arts are conditioned to see things through tainted glasses, and never dare to ask questions; we on the contrary actively encourage all our students to do so, only then will knowledge be gained and the truth revealed. Take your glasses off.

mjhian

16-Jun-2005, 08:55 PM

I understand the term "abridged" - I was enforcing your comment for others reading it.
"you will comprehend" ?? - A bit discourteous especially as you know nothing about me.
The word "Condescending" springs to mind.

I would have thought that this forum was for sharing knowledge and not for patronising others. I dont remember disagreeing with your comments on the subject of destruction, but simply offered an additional purpose.
So it is NOT important that an Examiner SHOULD see the technique before the break?

The glasses comment - very "Kung Fu" Grasshopper.
And for the record - Neither I nor my students wear tainted glasses.

Ajima

17-Jun-2005, 11:18 AM

Mj the great think about democracy is that everyone has an opinion, martial artists have the greatest and they all purport to be the best, that’s why it is nice to a have debate now and then, condescending? I would not say so, gentle persuasion more like it. Like you say I know nothing about you, you may be the nicest person ever; but you reacted to my note just like everyone else under fire! If your anxiety level when up then, that was because you went in fight or flight a method we use during our gradings including power tests, to accustomed the students to the feeling and recognise it when needed. We cannot all be right and I do not purport to, and never have. Good luck to you and your students, Quaerite et Invenietis. Oh! by the way the examiner will not be with the student if s(he) has a physical confrontation, and Kung-Fu practitioners may not like that suggestion about them.

qigong

26-Nov-2006, 06:14 PM

kwang gae

26-Nov-2006, 08:19 PM

but a reply would be interesting.
Interesting but unlikely since those guys have been gone from MAP for over a year. :D

Alexander

03-Dec-2006, 04:27 PM

kwang gae

03-Dec-2006, 05:09 PM

I'm still here.
Of course I didn't mean to refer to you Alexander, only to Ajima and Mjhian. :p

Pkaaaww!!

19-Sep-2008, 04:09 PM

I'm still here. I'm training at AJIMA in a few weeks time again, so I'll see if I can get you a response if you want Qigong.

On the other hand I can give you one if you wish. I know no one objects to honesty in AJIMA so I doubt anyone will care if I speak my mind (unless I get a point wrong or inaccurate and need correction).
I think yo'll find that this person objects to honesty in a BIG way, man.
Do a search on Seloundo on Google and all you get are bad words. :woo:
Even one of his students is questioning his honesty.

I notice, since the buzz is that this guy had something to do with Choikwando, learning it from the Master himself, that Seloundo ain't nothin but Choikwando all over again.

Except with someone who ain't got the qualifications, respect, honesty and integrity to come clean.

My advice - steer clear of this guy. :mad:

Grandmaster Koo ain't never heard of him and how the heck he got a 7th dan i've no idea.
Can you give yourself a Grandmaster's dan?
Grandmaster Sofos from London ain't never heard of him either except in a bad way and all the UK reps have nothing but "we threw him out" to say. Or "he just ain't a people person".
I always thought it had to be conferred and wasn't until Hachidan that you were awarded this honor.

Alexander, there's a Hapkido class near where the Seloundo classes are. Maybe you should try it out and see what you can learn.
The two ex-instructors of Seloundo here, who I spoke with cos I thought this was Hapkido under a different name (which it is.), say that all he will do is take yo dolla and give you a black bit of string.
~I may be wrong, but from all I've heard over here about this guy and Seloundo and all that. It just sounds wrong.

<bless my twinkly fairy toes>, even none of their websites are working now except one that's all about HIM.
I wouldn't want to train with nobody who's that up thier own ass as to spend more time talking about themselves than Martial Arts.
I wouldn't want to train with nobody who don't train and just talks too much.

I found the name of the club for you, Alex. It's called "BakuJutsuKai". He's got a good rep and is a key player on a major board in the UK.
I hear all these things. Some of them may be true and some of them not. But if the two people here, excludin yourself, and the guy Saccade who comes up under the searches is right -

You're in a bad place, my friend.

Just some friendly words of advice from a man who spend years doing this:
:bang:

Alexander

27-Sep-2008, 09:26 AM

Before reading this response I think you should bear a few things in mind: I began this thread quote a few years ago now. Time passes and things change. I'm not really that involved with Seloun-Do anymore but not because of any fall-out or clashes between myself and my instructor (in fact occassionally we still see each other and get along just fine when we do). The reason I left was partly geographical but also because my interests have taken me in different directions (and there is another huge thread dedicated to that!).

I think yo'll find that this person objects to honesty in a BIG way, man.
Do a search on Seloundo on Google and all you get are bad words. :woo:
Even one of his students is questioning his honesty.
Have you got a link? I've just run a google search and turned up a load of adverts, this thread, and some myspace or bebo pages. If what you say is true I want to know.

I notice, since the buzz is that this guy had something to do with Choikwando, learning it from the Master himself, that Seloundo ain't nothin but Choikwando all over again.
I'm near 100% certain that that is not true. When I started training we were learning old-school ITF Taekwon-Do. I was there throught the period that was effectively Seloun-Do's creation and can safely say that Choi Kwang Do has had no direct influence.

There was, during the eighties I am told, a move to make an organisation of which my instructor was a part of (UKTF) into Choi Kwang Do schools. The result, so I'm told, was that organisation fractured and eventually disintergrated. I've no idea whether the current United Kingdom Taekwon-Do Federation has anything to do with the previous one.

Except with someone who ain't got the qualifications, respect, honesty and integrity to come clean.

My advice - steer clear of this guy. :mad:
The one thing I've always respected about my instructor is that he is perfectly willing to provide proof of his claims. He's shown me a series of newspaper articles and other organisational records which lend a very strong credence to what he says. I won't go into that here but, if you really want, I'll ask for some references and post them up.

Grandmaster Koo ain't never heard of him and how the heck he got a 7th dan i've no idea.
Can you give yourself a Grandmaster's dan?
Grandmaster Sofos from London ain't never heard of him either except in a bad way and all the UK reps have nothing but "we threw him out" to say. Or "he just ain't a people person".
I always thought it had to be conferred and wasn't until Hachidan that you were awarded this honor.
First, Roger Koo I've never met but have written to asking for some information (questions about his criticisms of traditional TKD). He replied and was quite helpful. So aside from that I can't really speak for him at all.

Second, who is Sofos? I've never heard that name in Seloun-Do. Do you mean Grandmaster Sid Sofos (Ving Tsun) (http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=51888)? If so I'm not entirely sure how relevant to this it is.

Alexander, there's a Hapkido class near where the Seloundo classes are. Maybe you should try it out and see what you can learn.
The two ex-instructors of Seloundo here, who I spoke with cos I thought this was Hapkido under a different name (which it is.), say that all he will do is take yo dolla and give you a black bit of string.
~I may be wrong, but from all I've heard over here about this guy and Seloundo and all that. It just sounds wrong.
Again, I'm not sure what you think Hapkido has to do with this. To my knowledge Hapkido has nothing to do with Seloun-Do. Who did you speak to about this? Are you perhaps thinking of a different Seloun-Do (which is always possible)? Could you provide links to any sources you have claiming that Seloun-Do is just Hapkido?

I found the name of the club for you, Alex. It's called "BakuJutsuKai". He's got a good rep and is a key player on a major board in the UK.
I hear all these things. Some of them may be true and some of them not. But if the two people here, excludin yourself, and the guy Saccade who comes up under the searches is right -

You're in a bad place, my friend.

Just some friendly words of advice from a man who spend years doing this:
:bang:
Have you got a link to this club? I googled it and Saccade and got nothing.

Lastly, a few quetions for you. Your info appears to be quite wild conjecture at best (I may be wrong, but I leave proving that to you). So where did you first hear of Seloun-Do? Why have you associated it with Hapkido? Who did you speak to regarding it? Who is the mysterious Sofos?

Pkaaaww!!

28-Sep-2008, 01:13 PM

Yo obviously didn't search very hard, Alex.
Use google and you'll find all you're looking for. That's just plain lazy, gettting me to do the leg-work.

Here's one link:

It's on the 2nd or 3rd google page.

Open Question: Should I give up on this website / Why is my Master lying to me?

August 28th, 2008 um 1:00 Uhr • Web Design • 0 Kommentare •

I designed a site for someone, got it to be verified by the W3C using CSS and, now, the person for whom I designed it is using a Trellix Sitebuilder to overwrite all the stuff I've FTP'd. No matter what I do, it's always changing. He told me he knows nothing of the internet and so I had control. It took me one night to get a front-page that was great in every environment. Now look at it: www.seloundo.com The worst part is - he did it when I was on holiday and it went on Google at the same time... And changed the password, so I cannot access the FTP. I wanted to put this site in my portfolio, but just look at it... I've designed a few extra features such as member's areas and newsletter subscription forms. But do you think it's worth carrying on with the project considering that EVERYDAY he is changing it. Despite telling me that he's not. I know he is, because I can see all the activities... Why is my Master lying to me? Should I continue with the project or just wash my hands? I'm working on some personal stuff - I have articles to write, a book to finish, music to polish and a film project that needs attention. I DO want to continue Martial Art and I want to be conferred with a Teacher's (not instructor's) grade. He is the best teacher I have ever met in all the years I have been doing Martial Art. But I cannot work with him, right now, in a business sense. It's just such hard work - especially considering all the other stuff I have to do in my daily life. Please answer my question - I'm in a real dilemma. Carry on with his project? Why is he lying? Should I challenge him on these points? Please help me make the right decision. Thanks.

Also, I found Seloundo by searching this forum for Hapkido.

From what I read on the Seloundo website (all three of them, before two went bye-bye) it was apparent to me.
We're always on the lookout for good people and this guy sounded like it before we read all the other stuff that made me wonder "what's this guy all about?".

I spoke with Adrian, Alan, Carl, Anthony and a few other guys who tell me the same sorts of stories. They're all on MAP.
This guy Saccade, his name's Pete, he was earmarked to be an instructor. Til he quit because of the above situation.

Afterwards, it seems the his teacher forwarded a load of emails to a few CKD people I know here who kindly lent me the messages.
Dude - that guy should be sued for slander and libel, some of the stuff he was saying about Pete.

Like "he's a junkie, always will be a junkie".

Anyone who made mistakes in their past (hell knows, I have) confides in someone when they want. They don't want their personal life plastered over the internet.
Pete should sue this guy for what he's done.
From what I hear, the teacher's rep is pretty dead over here in the US cos of his egocentric attitude (you read the website? mememememememememe...) and inability to accept others as being anywhere near him.

It seems that anyone who becomes good and challenges him "leaves" or gets kicked out.
And then he says that he wants people to become better than him. Don't make no sense, you ask me, Alex.
From what I know, it seems as if the teacher dude, he was more annoyed at the fact that the question was on the internet and how it would look for him than the fact that there was a problem in the relationship with his student.
A good teacher woulda said - "hey, what's up?" and not "WHAT ARE YOU SAYING?!".

Just in my humble opinion.

Sounds like you've been through the whole thing too, from what you say. I know some people who were at a CKD seminar a few years ago when the guy who "created" Seloundo (and it's qua erite invenientis, not quaerite.) attended.
She says he just condescended and then said he could do it better and was asked to leave.
Then all of a sudden Seloundo starts being mentioned.

I just searched here for Hapkido and when I saw that there was this place, I thought I'd have a little bit of investigation (which I like).
TKD, sure, CKD, sure, Hapkido - maybe not.

It doesn't look like it's as much groundwork.

If anything, from the teacher's bio. It's like TKD, Goju Ryu Karate with a sprinkling of Aikido.
Kicks, Punches, Knees and Elbows with one or two joint manipulations and projections.
Strength training, toughness, cardio and anaerobic work.

All in all, I'd say that the only thing that differs is the lack of "tradition". Learning Pattern may be all well and good to keep certain moves and applications alive - and no-one spars in ready stance...
They spar in a fighting stance.

The other stances, Horse, Walking, Cat, etc... come into it on techniques that require them.
My money's on that he still teaches them, but all of them stem from a "brand new" fighting stance, that is just a "normal stance".

Just like Bruce Lee's style.

If this guy is in anyway like Bruce Lee - I can't see it.
It's just the Egocentric, military lost, got something to prove, I'm not an idiot, attitude that makes me think that it's not gonna work.

It's more about the teacher than the style, Alex.

Find a good teacher, one who respects you as much as you respect them and you're in bidness.

For a student to have to question their Master's loyalties and Honesty and Trust. Man, It shouldn't get that far.

As I said - Bad news, bro.
Take it easy Al.

Pkaaaww!!

28-Sep-2008, 01:14 PM

Oh yea,

Grandmaster of the year, Sid Sofos, is one of the leading Martial Artists in the UK.

Pkaaaww!!

28-Sep-2008, 01:28 PM

Despite being a bit of a crack job.

He's done some good seminars over here.
Wing chung is a good art for scrapping if you're small and wiry.

Good for building up you Lat's and Tri's.

Alexander

29-Sep-2008, 09:27 AM

Yo obviously didn't search very hard, Alex.
Use google and you'll find all you're looking for. That's just plain lazy, gettting me to do the leg-work.
And err... still no links, just quotes. :D

Here's one link...

August 28th, 2008 um 1:00 Uhr • Web Design • 0 Kommentare •

I designed a site for someone... I DO want to continue Martial Art and I want to be conferred with a Teacher's (not instructor's) grade. He is the best teacher I have ever met in all the years I have been doing Martial Art. But I cannot work with him, right now, in a business sense. It's just such hard work - especially considering all the other stuff I have to do in my daily life. Please answer my question - I'm in a real dilemma. Carry on with his project? Why is he lying? Should I challenge him on these points? Please help me make the right decision. Thanks.
That's interesting. Disputes over administrative/financial decisions are fairly common in organisations, so I'm guessing there are those sorts of problems going on here. Though I find it bizzare, I do find this story believable.

We're always on the lookout for good people and this guy sounded like it before we read all the other stuff that made me wonder "what's this guy all about?".
Out of interest, who's 'we'?

Aren't you based in California?

I spoke with Adrian, Alan, Carl, Anthony and a few other guys who tell me the same sorts of stories. They're all on MAP.
This guy Saccade, his name's Pete, he was earmarked to be an instructor. Til he quit because of the above situation.
I don't think I know Pete, but I've met everyone else. Did this happen recently? (I haven't trained at AJIMA for a while, and Alan, Carl and Anthony were all there last time.)

Sounds like you've been through the whole thing too, from what you say.
Not so much - I stopped training there because I now live over 300 miles away!

Grandmaster of the year, Sid Sofos, is one of the leading Martial Artists in the UK.
I'm still confused - what has Sofos got to do with anything?

Cheers.

Pkaaaww!!

29-Sep-2008, 10:03 AM

"We" is the Company, Alex.

We scout for people rather than put an ad in the wanted section.

And GM Sofos was just one of the names outta the hat.

Take it easy, Al.

Pkaaaww!!

29-Sep-2008, 10:05 AM

Or i guess it could be "we" like her Majesty Queen Elizabeth says when refering to "oneself".

"We are not amused".

Even thought I think it was Queen Victoria that sed that.

Pkaaaww!!

29-Sep-2008, 10:07 AM

And goddam boy!

Here's a link to the google search pages:
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=seloundo&btnG=Google+Search&meta=

Pkaaaww!!

29-Sep-2008, 10:09 AM

Goddam boy!
Heres the link to the google pages:
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=seloundo&btnG=Google+Search&meta=

Looky through them all. Rickey Tick - you'll need some speed reading to get to some of the relevant sections or just use your browsers "find" function.
On mine, it's Cntrl-F or F3 to bring up the box.

qigong

30-Sep-2008, 08:04 PM

PKaaaww

You are spot on mate.

qigong

30-Sep-2008, 09:30 PM

PKaaaw, The more I read the more spot on you are,were you an ex-student too,cos you have this guy down to a tee.The corruption goes so deep,its all so twisted its unreal.

Pkaaaww!!

01-Oct-2008, 02:27 PM

Ex-student?!
You trippin Qigong?

I wouldnt touch this guy with a ten foot pole.
It just happened that I stumbled accross this when I searched hapkido when i joined here. I'd heard of it, through different people ont he internet, and though I'd take a looky-see.

You sure are right about corrupt.
Claire here says that she got some nasty ass emails about an ex-student (who's also here. I spoke to him, but he didn't want to get involved inthe whole thing) and the teacher was telling her all sorts of stuff that the student had told AJ Marie in confidence.

He just seems like a bitter old man with nothing left to do but hold onto the remaining, fragile ego he has and make sure that anyone who shows any talent goes off to join another club.
He says he was thrown out.

The student says he quit.

I got evidence he quit for the above reasons.
#He now has a new club and it teaching already.

Good for him, don't'cha think?

You trained with this fella too then?
You seem to know him quite well. I was not going to reply to this conversation when I saw the notification, cos I Was getting bored of it.

But I don't mind chatting with you, mate.
:)

qigong

01-Oct-2008, 06:24 PM

Heya ,yeah i did but I wont go there,if the claire i think it is,i knew adrian too,big ian,norman,the other ian,,and loads of others.cant get in touch with any of them cos i have no idea where they all went once they left,

Pkaaaww!!

01-Oct-2008, 06:45 PM

From what I hear, QiGong, Claire's NY side so not my turf.
I heard stories about how Adrian left from another ex-student. He got kicked into a mirror and told to get the heck outta dodge.
As for the others I think if you mean Big Ian as Drunk Ian, then he's here.
I think Saccade has details for contact if you want to get in touch with anyone who's seen the dark side of the Force in this instructor's life.

qigong

01-Oct-2008, 09:20 PM

lol, thats it,i miss those guys,we used to have a laugh.yeah i remember adrian and the mirror.Adrian had a wicked side kick on him.

Alexander

03-Oct-2008, 02:44 PM

"We" is the Company, Alex.

We scout for people rather than put an ad in the wanted section.
Does this company have a name? Is it a bodyguard company or martial arts federation-type-thing?

PKaaaw, The more I read the more spot on you are,were you an ex-student too,cos you have this guy down to a tee.The corruption goes so deep,its all so twisted its unreal.
So, what corruption is this?

Perhaps my erratic movements have shielded me from it, but I've seen very little evidence of any underhand business practises (or bad training). Would you guys mind posting up examples?

I'm especially confused because the corruption you reference appears to extend to a disagreement/argument/lies over web design - the google searches and links provide nothing else.

By contrast, Pkaaw, you appear to be holding up Sid Sofos (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=RuIv06JqVZc) as one of the people you scouted, saying:

Grandmaster of the year, Sid Sofos, is one of the leading Martial Artists in the UK.

...and...

Despite being a bit of a crack job.

He's done some good seminars over here.

Now perhaps he is that. I don't know, I haven't trained with him. But here are a selection of anecdotes from some of the guys on Bullshido...

From the user called DANINJA:
"I dont know if its true but there are rumours going around that he was arrested for masturbating in one of his classes."

From the user called DON'T SH*T ME!
"It seems his cultish students started flooding that crappy Ving Tsun forum with posts about how great their 'sijo' Sofos was. You notice how they didn't pull that crap with the Bullshido forum !!! Looks like he wanted to make money by selling a DVD that he made, so he & his students started flooding that forum in order to advertise it.But some wise-ass told them that he would buy the DVD himself then post it on all the world's filesharing sites for all to download for free.That put an almost instant stop to their endless flooding of that other forum!Good riddance!"

"It seems like Sofos has updated his website lately with new pictures.
I like the way Sofos uses Photoshop to alter the pictures on his website by copying & pasting his face into the pictures so that it appears that he has actually trained with famous people."

And quotes from a story from the user called red bull:
"EVERY SINGLE THING revolved around him, came back to him. ''GrandMaster Sofos says this, GrandMaster Sofos did this, Grandmaster Sofos can see the bad things you do, even when you think nobody is looking...on and on an on..."

"Classes were regularly interrupted to expound on the man's superhuman attributes. Executed a less than perfect chi-sau block? Well, when GrandMaster Sofos does chi-sau, he has to be careful not to use all his power or ellse he'll turn your arm to jelly. Not sure about the practicality of centre-line punching. Legend has it that Grandmaster Sofos came out of his mother's womb, centre-line punching..."

When discussing Sofos' build: "Anyway, on one occasion, we must have been talking about general fitness in the martial arts (before people realized this was important) and someone said something like 'yeah I mean, sifu is quite a big guy...but I guess a lot of that is muscle...'
I SWEAR TO GOD THE NEXT STATEMENT IS TRUE. One of the senior students fixed us with a stare from the bowels of hell before explaining that the reason why revered Grandmaster Sofos looked 'big' was because of 'the physical manifestation of his chi'.
Not that he enjoyed one too many pints in the pub, or one too many cream cakes..."

Now, it doesn't seem like we're discussing the quality of training at AJIMA, but the business ethics of it... you're use of Sofos seems to imply Marie is worse. During 7 years of erratic training at AJIMA I saw no evidence whatsoever of anything on a remote level to what allegations surround Sofos. So could you provide some?

Pkaaaww!!

03-Oct-2008, 05:16 PM

Are you a girl, Al?
You sound like one...

And mind your god damn business - what I do is what I do.

I said those things, yes.
Maybe if AJ Marie had as much exposure as Sid Sofos (and I meant the other one, not Sid... His brother.), he'd be making videos that were as crack-head as his.
You done a lot of research on this guy. Why don't you try doing some on the guy you're mistakenly protecting?

And how am I to provide evidence?
I'm not spreading things about that shouldn't have even seen the light of day, much less come from a trusted and respected teacher.

All I got is some emails, forwarded from Mr Marie to a friend of mine, telling her what a junkie this guy is who quit and that he only helped him cos he needed HIS help.
That's the LEAST of it Al.
From what everyone else is saying, the guy who quit just got sick with Marie's attitude and his constant demands and total ignorance of time management and appreciation of his work.

Maybe you ain't seen this cos you ain't been one of the top students, and so closest to the teacher, at AJIMA?

And WTF has business ethics gotta do with this??!

The bottom line is this, Al. This is all there is to it.
If a pupil tells their master something in confidence, and then that master tells a whole lotta people that thing - it makes the master not worthy of confidence, trust or respect.
It shows a total lack of compassion and makes the guy seem like he got real pissed off he quit and threw his toys outta the pram.

Maybe you should open your mouth a bit more when you've stopped "erratically" training and got a good 20 years as a black belt in AJIMA's Seloundo.

Apparently, you can get a black belt AND be an instructor there in under 18 months...
You should be okay.
I'd go to the classes for 18 months, get my "black belt" ($3 from Blitz) and start a school and call myself a Genius at TKD.

Do that and in a few years, we'll talk again.

Until then.

Speak to the hand, girl.

Alexander

03-Oct-2008, 06:38 PM

Are you a girl, Al?
You sound like one...
I've considered getting a sex change... but can't afford it. I then decided to be gay, but found out about the prohibitive standards of hygene. Now I'm resentfully straight.

If it helps read my posts in a British accent (American girls will love it).

And mind your god damn business - what I do is what I do.
I'm afraid I'm confused again. You see I'm either a genius or I'm insane, and so I often have trouble grasping what other people mean by thei statements. For example do you want me to do as you say (your quote above) or as you do (below)?

I just searched here for Hapkido and when I saw that there was this place, I thought I'd have a little bit of investigation (which I like).
It's a dilemma...

I said those things, yes.
Of course.

Maybe if AJ Marie had as much exposure as Sid Sofos (and I meant the other one, not Sid... His brother.), he'd be making videos that were as crack-head as his.
In the immortal words of the great Gene Genie: "What if my uncle had tits, would he be my auntie?"

You done a lot of research on this guy. Why don't you try doing some on the guy you're mistakenly protecting?
Plain lazy... yawn...

And how am I to provide evidence?
Typing? Clicking the mouse strategically? Usually works for me.

I'm not spreading things about that shouldn't have even seen the light of day, much less come from a trusted and respected teacher.
In which case you are in a bit of an awkward situation.

I'm assming the role of judge here - now imagine you come to me claiming that someone has burned you house down. You then give no evidence that that this person has done it, claiming that it would be a betrayal of trust to do so. Should I just take your word for it and imprison the guy? I think not.

Now you seem to think I'm hostile. The truth is, quite simply, that I'm interested. If you have evidence to back up your claims I want to see it.

All I got is some emails, forwarded from Mr Marie to a friend of mine, telling her what a junkie this guy is who quit and that he only helped him cos he needed HIS help.
That's the LEAST of it Al.
What's the MOST of it?

Maybe you ain't seen this cos you ain't been one of the top students, and so closest to the teacher, at AJIMA?
Considering I now see him one every six months, I'm not the closest at all.

And WTF has business ethics gotta do with this??!
AJIMA is a business. How it interacts with other person/institutions is therefore business ethcs.

But would I be right in saying that we are not discussing practical martial art skill, but instead the way in which he does his dealings.

If a pupil tells their master something in confidence, and then that master tells a whole lotta people that thing - it makes the master not worthy of confidence, trust or respect.
It shows a total lack of compassion and makes the guy seem like he got real pissed off he quit and threw his toys outta the pram.
I can't comment on this I'm afraid. Mainly because I'm not informed of the facts...

Maybe you should open your mouth a bit more when you've stopped "erratically" training and got a good 20 years as a black belt in AJIMA's Seloundo.
Once again, and I'm sorry because I really must be getting really confused now, I haven't got a clue what you mean here. You claim to have evidence of corruption (which I genuinely want to see), claim to represent 'the company' (but not provide any information about it), and seem to have never had direct contact with AJ Marie... but you want me, who has trained with him for a quite a few years to simply accept unsubstantiated claims over direct experience, because my experience is not enough?

Apparently, you can get a black belt AND be an instructor there in under 18 months...
Shrug... no idea.

You should be okay.
With what? Getting a black belt from him? Done that.

I'd go to the classes for 18 months, get my "black belt" ($3 from Blitz) and start a school and call myself a Genius at TKD.
Presumably though, in your case that would be a lie?

Do that and in a few years, we'll talk again.
Why not talk now? PM me if you want to continue this conversation privately.

Speak to the hand, girl.
Or eyes, as the case is.

Van Zandt

03-Oct-2008, 09:24 PM

*Chuckles* Never get into a debate with Alexander :D

qigong

03-Oct-2008, 09:30 PM

I'm speechless alexander

Alexander

04-Oct-2008, 11:07 AM

Thankyou.

Pkaaaww!!

06-Oct-2008, 10:49 AM

Typing? Clicking the mouse strategically? Usually works for me.

Do it yourself then.

In which case you are in a bit of an awkward situation.

I ain't - you are. I told AJ Marie of your inquisition into his disgusting behaviour?

Who gave you that position? You're in NO position to judge.

I'm assming the role of judge here - now imagine you come to me claiming that someone has burned you house down. You then give no evidence that that this person has done it, claiming that it would be a betrayal of trust to do so. Should I just take your word for it and imprison the guy? I think not.

Now you seem to think I'm hostile. The truth is, quite simply, that I'm interested. If you have evidence to back up your claims I want to see it.

And you ain't getting it cos I don't spread the bad karma about - you want it so bad, look on the internet.
http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=ArQGG.6WQkLhrbrTUdMxzEUhBgx.;_ylv=3?qid =20080828060036AAcADon

That's all you're getting - private correspondence stays private.

Considering I now see him one every six months, I'm not the closest at all.

Course you do.
I'm sure you're the authority on the art, then?

AJIMA is a business. How it interacts with other person/institutions is therefore business ethcs.

But would I be right in saying that we are not discussing practical martial art skill, but instead the way in which he does his dealings.

So it ain't a Marital Art? So why the hell is it touted as one?

You drew me into this argument and quite frankly I don't care for the business ethics.
It's the personal ones that count.

"The way he does his dealings" sounds like a drug dealer.

You've just damned him.
You're one of his Junior black belts, who has been teaching TKD at Uni (or something) with no licensure or insurance, and you are now saying that your "Master" has "Dealings".

Master don't have dealings, they have exchanges with people and they respect and are compassionate.
AJ Marie is none of these things - he's just a dealer.

Outta your mouth.

I can't comment on this I'm afraid. Mainly because I'm not informed of the facts...

And you won't be - you'll just get his side of the story and then you'll know it's a lie.

Once again, and I'm sorry because I really must be getting really confused now, I haven't got a clue what you mean here. You claim to have evidence of corruption (which I genuinely want to see), claim to represent 'the company' (but not provide any information about it), and seem to have never had direct contact with AJ Marie... but you want me, who has trained with him for a quite a few years to simply accept unsubstantiated claims over direct experience, because my experience is not enough?

Yes.

And you ain't seeing nothing. Ask Saccade yourself.

With what? Getting a black belt from him? Done that.

Yeah, a junior one, from what Saccade (pete) says. And in hardly any time at all...

Presumably though, in your case that would be a lie?

Nah, TKD 2nd Degree Blackbelt for 8 years.

Why not talk now? PM me if you want to continue this conversation privately.

I don't want to talk to you at all.
This is the last time I'm speaking to you.
You're a waste of my time.

This is my last reply to you.
Period.
www.seloundo.com
www.ajimacentre.co.uk
www.seloundo.co.uk

Just to get the links going through here - click on them as much as possible so people can see what this guy's like.
Google uses webcrawler tech, so the more you click, the higher this page goes up on the list.

Pkaaaww!!

06-Oct-2008, 10:51 AM

I'm speechless alexander

If this is the kinda Martial Artist that Seloundo and AJIMA make, then it's advert enough to stay the hell away from the whole thing...

Van Zandt

06-Oct-2008, 12:09 PM

Who needs pay-per-view when we've got the Internet Flaming World Championships right here on MAP?!

Pkaaaww!!

06-Oct-2008, 12:13 PM

LOL!

Pkaaaww!!

06-Oct-2008, 12:14 PM

And here's me for Hapkido, huh?
Makes no sense, arguing with a student of a bad teacher about whether he's the best bad teacher or the worst bad teacher.

Maybe I should get into WWF wrestling...

Talk trash all day, know what i'm saying?

Mitch

06-Oct-2008, 12:53 PM

...Talk trash all day, know what i'm saying?

Not on MAP please Pkaaaww.

Terms of Service specifically ban personal attacks, which your last post to Alexander definitely contained.

Can you wind it in a bit, or I have to start binning posts.

Thanks,
Mitch

Pkaaaww!!

06-Oct-2008, 01:14 PM

No probs, mr kick the baby in the head.

In case you didn't notice - I said that I wasn't gonna talk to this guy anymore.

And as for TOS - did you even read his post?

Just forget it...

I'm here for the Hapkido - don't know how I got involved with all this anymo.

Pkaaaww!!

06-Oct-2008, 01:15 PM

And I was talking about trash talking on WWF wrestling, not on the forums.

Did I not make myself clear?

CosmicFish

06-Oct-2008, 01:31 PM

Van Zandt

06-Oct-2008, 01:45 PM

We should settle this debate the way my school PE teacher would settle playground arguments: take us to the gymnasium and make us wrestle in our underpants.

Mitch

06-Oct-2008, 01:57 PM

We should settle this debate the way my school PE teacher would settle playground arguments: take us to the gymnasium and make us wrestle in our underpants.

He's in prison now, isn't he Super Foot?

Mitch:)

Van Zandt

06-Oct-2008, 02:22 PM

He's in prison now, isn't he Super Foot?

Mitch:)

He is, how did you know? It is a shame because he was a great teacher who gave me lots of extra attention and would massage my thighs whenever I got cramp.

Ok, I think that was a bit too much... :)

Back to the original thread about Seloundo. I went on www.ajimacentre.com and looked at the bio of Master A J Marie. His comments regarding being a paratrooper and Aikido being the martial art of choice to teach soldiers were interesting.

I'm a former soldier (Scots Guards) who spent some time attached to the Parachute Regiment (and yes, I passed P Company), and when I asked the Regimental Association to validate an A J Marie from Mauritius, their search returned zero results. Does anyone know what his service number was, or his nickname even? Just want to make sure a guy claiming to be a Para is who he says he is.

Also about Aikido being taught to the army - martial arts have never really been taught to British troops, although some specialist units will receive basic tuition in restraint techniques. I'm not sure which era A J Marie served in the army, but certainly in my period of service (2002 - 2003) there was never any mention of a particular style being preferred by the MOD over others, ever in the past nor at any point in the future.

Any Para will tell you that pretty much the most self defence training you get taught is milling (Youtube it - I'm sure you will be entertained!).

I studied Tae Kwon Do with the Army team, but that was because I'd done it already as a civvy. If anyone else could shed some light on A J Marie's claims, I would like to hear them.

Thanks and regards,

Dan

EDIT

Sorry, forgot something that caught my eye in the FAQ on the ajimacentre website.

d) Are there any age restrictions?

Yes, a new member must be over 5 years and below 65 years of age for insurance purposes, but talk to us for more details as we can make some exceptions.

e) Do I need to be fit to attend?

No, we will get you fit, if you never been active or ceased being physical activities, the more we like it.

No insurance I know of prevents members of the public below the age of 65 from training. And they like people who have never been active or ceased physical activity (a category which a lot of +65 people would fall into, I think), so it seems like they are contradicting themselves. Can someone shed some light on this please?

f) What kind of martial arts is it?

Our Innovative style SELOUNDO the new way, is a fusion of traditional martial arts with the latest science form sport and exercise. WE ARE NOT A HYBRID following any current trend.

Doesn't "hybrid" mean "fusion"? And isn't the "latest science" the current trend? If they weren't following the current trend, surely they would be following "previous science" or "future science"? Sorry, I'm just a bit mystified by the website and its claims.

Van Zandt

06-Oct-2008, 02:56 PM

Hi, sorry, it's me again, and I'm being picky about the Seloundo website.

In their Training Programme section they state the following about flexibility:

As we are trying to turn you into a complete Martial Artist, our programme also incorporates other aspects of the art that will be necessary not only in the class, but also in future life. Flexibility is an aspect of out training that is taken very seriously, simply for the price that has to be paid for those who are not flexible enough, in particular the flexibility of the gluteus muscles, which may lead to the shortening of internal muscles, which in turn may lead to Londorsis and other associated inflexibility ailments. By using a variety of safe scientifically proven stretching exercises such as PNF (Proprioneuromuscular facilitation) we never encounter any of these problems as long as we are listened to.

I highlighted the following points in bold:

1. "flexibility of the gluteus muscles, which may lead to the shortening of internal muscles": which gluteal and internal muscles is he referring to? The flexibility of a muscle has no direct effect on another muscle, unless other said muscle is overworked through its efforts to compensate for misalignment issues. If this was the case, then the symptoms would be chronic and local fatigue, and eventually a reduction in contractile strength of the affected units. But I highly doubt it would cause a reduction in range of motion of internal muscles (of which the ROM is difficult to measure anyway). I would think a website specifying ailments of a particular body part could be more specific.

2. "Londorsis": The term is Lordosis (not "Londorsis") and is more commonly known as sway back. It is the inward curviture of a portion of the vertebral column. It is caused because of the difference of thickness between the anterior and posterior part of the intervetebral disc. Sometimes it can be caused by excessively tight low back muscles, but this is to do mostly with the intertransversarii muscles (facilitates movement between the individual vertabrae), the multifidus spinae (facilitates movement of the spine as a whole unit), and the more commonly known latissimus dorsi (or lats, which are the large, flat, dorso-lateral muscles of the trunk). However, studies by Russian researcher Matvyev (Matveev) into Lordosis indicate that the influence of surrounding muscles (including the glutes) is negligable.

3. "Proprioneuromuscular facilitation": The correct term is Proprioceptive Neuromuscular Facilitation.

Most of you on MAP know me as a flexibility nut. I live for this stuff. My gripe is that a man claiming to possess as BSc (in what exactly, I don't know) could make simple mistakes like those I have highlighted. At the very least he doesn't come across as an individual educated to the standard of a Bachelors degree.

Promise I'll quit complaining now. Sort of.

Regards,

Dan

StuartA

06-Oct-2008, 05:18 PM

He is, how did you know? It is a shame because he was a great teacher who gave me lots of extra attention and would massage my thighs whenever I got cramp.

Well, seems like he left a lasting impression, as I just clicked the "check my stretching progress" link in your profile and got a picture of you in your underpants! :confused:

LOL

Stuart

qigong

06-Oct-2008, 09:55 PM

lol, oh yes, let this post roll on baby, ive never had so much fun.

Van Zandt

06-Oct-2008, 11:20 PM

Well, seems like he left a lasting impression, as I just clicked the "check my stretching progress" link in your profile and got a picture of you in your underpants!

LOL

Stuart

There really is no coming back from that line.

All hail the mighty Stuart A :hat:

Pkaaaww!!

07-Oct-2008, 11:33 PM

Pkaaaww!! Just to back up which Mitch has said, MAP has a policy of not allowing personal attacks. Several of your posts contained multiple attacks, which I have now edited out. Please make an effort to make your points without resorting to childish putdowns from now on or we'll seriously consider handing out a ban.

And if you have a problem with what you percieve as being a personal attack against you, please use the report post function at the top right of the individual post to bring it to our attention.

That's a great pic Lard-man!
I love it!

And I'll make sure to reign it in a bit - in case you missed it I said I'd finished talking to the Alex guy.

I don't know how I got drawn into this argument, but I do know that the person who "invenientis" Seloundo is not the person that Al thinks he is.

I don't mind people attacking me - I'd rather they flame me than someone else.
Thanks for the offer and drawing my attention to the report button, but I don't think I'll be using it.

And thanks for not banning me, man - I can't tell you how much I appreciate it.
This is one of the best Martial Art forums I've visited in a long time.

Apart from this one thread, it's all been good.

Thanks for running it.

Maybe when I get up a level, I can contribute something to keep the servers going?
I'll keep posting.

Thanks again bud.

Pkaaaww!!

07-Oct-2008, 11:56 PM

He is, how did you know? It is a shame because he was a great teacher who gave me lots of extra attention and would massage my thighs whenever I got cramp.

Ok, I think that was a bit too much... :)

LOL!:)

Back to the original thread about Seloundo. I went on www.ajimacentre.com and looked at the bio of Master A J Marie. His comments regarding being a paratrooper and Aikido being the martial art of choice to teach soldiers were interesting.

If a bit long, don't'cha think? Makes the whole thing sound like a fairy story than a true one.

I'm a former soldier (Scots Guards) who spent some time attached to the Parachute Regiment (and yes, I passed P Company),

Excellent. Well done.

and when I asked the Regimental Association to validate an A J Marie from Mauritius, their search returned zero results. Does anyone know what his service number was, or his nickname even? Just want to make sure a guy claiming to be a Para is who he says he is.

I've done a few searches, Antonio Jaques Marie - 57 (about) years old, and have a few stories from ex students (one in particular) who attest that he lies a lot.
I've never found any evidence, except from his word and hearsay from his students that he was involved in the military in any way.

From what the students told me, he started not in Aikido, but in Goju Ryu - got into a fight with another Trooper (he was P company, apparently, same as you) who did TKD and decided to do that instead.

It seems that every time the story's told, it changes a little depending on who you speak to.

Also about Aikido being taught to the army - martial arts have never really been taught to British troops, although some specialist units will receive basic tuition in restraint techniques.

I guess some Aikido CQC could be taught, but it's an art that means NOT hurting your opponent - I woulda though a military art (like the CQC I got taught) would teach CQC that smashed the opponent to oblivion.

It's life and death after all, not points for landing on the back or perfect roll...

I'm not sure which era A J Marie served in the army, but certainly in my period of service (2002 - 2003) there was never any mention of a particular style being preferred by the MOD over others, ever in the past nor at any point in the future.

Any Para will tell you that pretty much the most self defence training you get taught is milling (Youtube it - I'm sure you will be entertained!).

I asked Pete about this just now and he said he ain't never seen the guy do it and when he mentioned it, as usual, AJ Marie was the best and was never beaten and knew more.

I studied Tae Kwon Do with the Army team, but that was because I'd done it already as a civvy. If anyone else could shed some light on A J Marie's claims, I would like to hear them.

I'll bring Saccade to this thread - he knows more.
Either that or you can ask him yourself. He lives in London and is a member of MAP, or so Claire says.

Al seems to think that AJ Marie's motto "I AM GOD" is true, but everyone else I've asked about this says it's an egocentric complex or something...

You can get in touch with Saccade (Pete) through this link:

http://answers.yahoo.com/my/profile;_ylt=AmCyrPGHYDCRUr6wEosIFj_sy6IX;_ylv=3?s how=ePgXdgR0aa&preview=true

He doesn't want to publicly say anything about AJ Marie cos of how he quit his service and the promise he made to not slander him after a certain Yahoo Answers Question about why AJ Marie was lying to him about stuff.

Can you believe the guy was more concerned with his own rep than the fact one of his closest students was doubting him?
And then he sent emails to Claire about Pete that, if they were sent to me, I'd sue for Slander and Libel.

Thanks and regards,
Dan

Sorry, forgot something that caught my eye in the FAQ on the ajimacentre website.
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No insurance I know of prevents members of the public below the age of 65 from training. And they like people who have never been active or ceased physical activity (a category which a lot of +65 people would fall into, I think), so it seems like they are contradicting themselves. Can someone shed some light on this please?
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I think "the more you talk, the less you walk - you can fill in the bulls if you want..."

I do know that AJ Marie was Pushing Saccade on some new Law to govern Martial Art in the UK by getting teachers "vetted" using something called an "extended criminal records check".

But for some reason, Marie couldn't check himself...
But Saccade could...

So could most of the other UK instructors who make sure that all their teachers are CRB checked, from what I read.
Like at Chang's Hapkido in London.

Parlour Saboumnim is CRB'd...

I think the guy's got something to hide.
And the best way to hide is to have a false ID, past, and use smoke and mirrors in answers - And to remove anyone who gets too close.

I think Saccade got too close to him.
Maybe you should ask him.

Saccade did time in the military too, so you can speak milingo with him - he's taught me a few good ones.

"Cake and Arse Party" for FUBAR is my favourite so far...

Doesn't "hybrid" mean "fusion"? And isn't the "latest science" the current trend? If they weren't following the current trend, surely they would be following "previous science" or "future science"? Sorry, I'm just a bit mystified by the website and its claims.

Going round in circles means you never get ahead - it's the best way to avoid progress...
Someone told me here that sounding mystical was cool. Maybe Marie thinks that by sounding mystical makes him smarter than the average bear...

Maybe he just don't understand what he's saying.
I hear his English ain't so good.

And reading that site - neither is his grammar, spelling or typing...

Contact Saccade and speak with him. I think he was Fleet Air Arm or Air Force or something. Navigator.

Or maybe that was the other guy.

He coulda been the Lieutenant in the Bombardiers.
Can't remember - ask him...

I'll tell him to look out for you Y-front guy.:)

Pkaaaww!!

08-Oct-2008, 12:00 AM

Oh yeah - and Marie ain't a BSc...

That's for show. He's still studying and that website is his dissertation.

The one Saccade designed (http://www.seloundo.com) was a lot better because it did what it said it did. If you get my drift.

The newer one at http://www.seloundo.co.uk) is a stolen CSS template from Saccade that Marie's started, but not being a "Master of Websites" (as he said Saccade was, or in the end, wasn't) - I doubt it'll get much further.

Pkaaaww!!

08-Oct-2008, 12:04 AM

On the subject of stretching, Yfront Superfoot...

Do you ever do resistance stretching or assisted stretching?

Using the trip reflex to make the muscle stretch further or getting another person to push that little extra for you?

I've only had bad experiences with the latter - people don't know when to stop...
The first, though - resistance stretching, works quite well for maintenance, but it can lead to over stretching if overused.

I hate to have another Saccade link, but here it is...
Maybe you can put him straight...

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=As2i8SZbTZRFzxnEZtAsKYXty6IX;_ylv=3?qid =20080725072434AAeRaIv&show=7#profile-info-XjvQKmZQaa

Take it easy, bro.

And wash them yfronts man! They's nasty!

Pkaaaww!!

08-Oct-2008, 12:07 AM

Saccade was based at RNAD Coulport and served on HMS Repulse.
EDIT
Sorry - got that wrong. Lived there and trained there and lympstone. So I guess that makes him plastic too.
I think. Why I gotta play devil's advocate all the time anyhow?

Pkaaaww!!

08-Oct-2008, 12:08 AM

and please - call me Jay.

Van Zandt

08-Oct-2008, 11:42 AM

Hi Jay,

Thanks for your posts bro, certainly brought some light to a few nagging questions I had.

As far as AJ Marie's military background is concerned I decided to contact the man via e-mail through his website and ask him which section/platoon/company/battalion he was in, when he served and who his commanding officers were. I'll give him time to reply, and if he decides not too, then I'll just telephone him instead. Hmm, maybe I should've just phoned him in the first place - if he is a fraud it would give him less time to make up the answers. But I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.

The reason I get worked up over people claiming to be a Para is because I know how damn hard it was, and while I'm often referred to as "half-blood" or "plastic Para" because I was only attached to the Regiment, I still did all the tests like everyone else and it's not fair for civilians to inflate their ego with fraudulent claims. Ps. If anyone wants to see my military record to verify my claims of serving with the Paras, PM me and I'll send it to you.

I asked Pete about this just now and he said he ain't never seen the guy do it and when he mentioned it, as usual, AJ Marie was the best and was never beaten and knew more.

Haha, this is funny. Milling is a test of controlled aggression where two opponents of equal size punch each other in the face for 60 seconds. You can't block or dodge. It's designed to simulate sticking your head and rifle above the cover-line and sending more rounds to your opponent than he is sending at you. If AJ Marie is as good as h says he is, he would've been one ugly mutha. No way his nose would have been on straight, but I can't find any pictures on his website to verify how normal his bone structure is.

On the note of pictures on his website... there appears to be none demonstrating his ability. I'm all for people claiming they can do skills if they can do them. An authority is no authority if they can't do what they claim. Like the old saying goes, "A picture speaks a thousand words."

"Cake and Arse Party" for FUBAR is my favourite so far...

Hehehe, that brings back memories :D

Marie ain't a BSc

Doesn't surprise me if that is the case. I also asked him in my e-mail if he could confirm which subject he possess as BSc and if he could tell me with which university, so I could validate his claims. Easy enough if he is for real (although going by what you've said and my gut instinct, I'm expecting some mystical guru-type BS).

Do you ever do resistance stretching or assisted stretching?

By "resistance stretching" do you mean the method of simultaneously contracting and elongating a muscle as developed by Bob Cooley? I tried it and found it to be exactly the same as PNF/isometric stretching for strenghtening muscles, just packaged in a different way. And yeah I do use it (2 or 3 times a week), because it's effective at building strength in the stretched position (the stronger muscle is at a greater range of motion, the less activation is required to support it).

As for assisted stretching I'm a big supporter of using machines. Machines can give you that extra push you need and you are more in control than using a partner. They also offer the best position in which to relax, which is vital for improving flexibility. Click on the link in my signature ("My first article on MAP!") to see an article I wrote on the subject of stretching with machines vs. stretching without. If you have any further questions don't hesitate to ask.

And wash them yfronts man! They's nasty!

Hehehe, no surprise then that one of my other nicknames is "The Skidmark Kid" :D

Regards,

Dan

Pkaaaww!!

08-Oct-2008, 05:36 PM

Dan I'm gonna pm you a link. You gotta check this out. It's totally trippin.

Pkaaaww!!

08-Oct-2008, 06:16 PM

Jim sabumnim bro, I weren't born til '79!
I'm mostly in Europe rite now. But I'm based out of CA.
NYC is a nice city. I prefer London. It's where I'm at.

I reckon I'm gonna start a thread of the ABC's of Martial Arts. See how many we can all come up with.

Pkaaaww!!

08-Oct-2008, 06:17 PM

sorry. Wrong tab.

Pkaaaww!!

08-Oct-2008, 06:25 PM

Oh yeah.
btw Y-front.
I ain't too sure, but it seems that it may've been the email you sent to a certain person (which I've emailed you about) coulda been the catalyst for this situation.
I think it may''ve been that email that brought attention to all the squelch that's goin on here.
And it and chatter or a good signal, man. It's just static. Or like when you're cable shows one channel but plays the sound from the Bollywood ones.

I hate that.

We're dealing with a person with a very fragile ego here and I think he's taken offense that the style he wanted everyone to talk about is getting talked about.
Considering that was one of Saccades duties as his student I think he's done a good job.
Don't think this thread has had as much chatter as this for a few years.

Just not in the way he wants. Like positively.
But considering what I said in the FYEO/FYI email to you - private (keep it that way) - it don't sound like it's gonna be seen positively at all whatever Seloun-do does.
A guy from Australia once said to me: "The internet forgives occasionally but it forgets little."

I gueses the guys gone trippin cos weve done questioned him. Just like all the other ex-students of Seloun-do here like QiGong and Al and Saccade, Iain, etc...

qigong

09-Oct-2008, 10:05 AM

Alexander

10-Oct-2008, 07:12 PM

EDIT: Sorry to the mods, but for some reason my computer is not letting me post this all in one. I'm therefore splitting it into two.

Hi Superfoot,

I'm a former soldier (Scots Guards) who spent some time attached to the Parachute Regiment (and yes, I passed P Company), and when I asked the Regimental Association to validate an A J Marie from Mauritius, their search returned zero results. Does anyone know what his service number was, or his nickname even? Just want to make sure a guy claiming to be a Para is who he says he is.
Good for you - I'd be interested to know what his response is (so, please post it!).

Also about Aikido being taught to the army - martial arts have never really been taught to British troops, although some specialist units will receive basic tuition in restraint techniques. I'm not sure which era A J Marie served in the army, but certainly in my period of service (2002 - 2003) there was never any mention of a particular style being preferred by the MOD over others, ever in the past nor at any point in the future.

Any Para will tell you that pretty much the most self defence training you get taught is milling (Youtube it - I'm sure you will be entertained!).

I studied Tae Kwon Do with the Army team, but that was because I'd done it already as a civvy. If anyone else could shed some light on A J Marie's claims, I would like to hear them.
He's told me his military background was in the seventies. I think he was a full time MA instructor from 2002-3 (though that's just an assumption, he might have been doing other work).

As for the Aikido training, during a conversation I had with him two years ago he said that the Aikido he learned was pretty basic stuff. I'm not sure he's ever said it was a formal part of Para training, so I'm guessing it might have been more of a voluntary or perhaps experimental thing. I've known a few people who were paras and they've all said the same as you - "Its milling; what else do you need?" Plus, logically, what use are the martial arts (of the sort we practise) these days to modern armies?

No insurance I know of prevents members of the public below the age of 65 from training. And they like people who have never been active or ceased physical activity (a category which a lot of +65 people would fall into, I think), so it seems like they are contradicting themselves. Can someone shed some light on this please?
No idea about this. If you like I can send him an e-mail about it. Insurance is the one area I've never understood about martial arts anyway, no matter who I've asked about it (predictably speaking to insurance companies didn't do anything to solve this problem).

Doesn't "hybrid" mean "fusion"? And isn't the "latest science" the current trend? If they weren't following the current trend, surely they would be following "previous science" or "future science"? Sorry, I'm just a bit mystified by the website and its claims.
I'm guessing this is just very bad wording. What I assume he means by 'fusion' is that he wants to fuse martial arts with sports science. I'm guessing 'hybrid' means combining two different martial arts styles together.

1. "flexibility of the gluteus muscles, which may lead to the shortening of internal muscles": which gluteal and internal muscles is he referring to? The flexibility of a muscle has no direct effect on another muscle, unless other said muscle is overworked through its efforts to compensate for misalignment issues. If this was the case, then the symptoms would be chronic and local fatigue, and eventually a reduction in contractile strength of the affected units. But I highly doubt it would cause a reduction in range of motion of internal muscles (of which the ROM is difficult to measure anyway). I would think a website specifying ailments of a particular body part could be more specific.

2. "Londorsis": The term is Lordosis (not "Londorsis") and is more commonly known as sway back. It is the inward curviture of a portion of the vertebral column. It is caused because of the difference of thickness between the anterior and posterior part of the intervetebral disc. Sometimes it can be caused by excessively tight low back muscles, but this is to do mostly with the intertransversarii muscles (facilitates movement between the individual vertabrae), the multifidus spinae (facilitates movement of the spine as a whole unit), and the more commonly known latissimus dorsi (or lats, which are the large, flat, dorso-lateral muscles of the trunk). However, studies by Russian researcher Matvyev (Matveev) into Lordosis indicate that the influence of surrounding muscles (including the glutes) is negligable.
Given that you probably know far more about this than I do, is it ossible that this section of the website is a kind of popular science bit - a simplified version of more complex anatomy. Or do you think its completely wrong?

3. "Proprioneuromuscular facilitation": The correct term is Proprioceptive Neuromuscular Facilitation.
I think this is another bit of bad spelling - he taught me the words 'proprioceptive neuromuscular facilitation' (heaven knows I've used on this very forum enough times). His English is like that; impressive, considering he's not a native speaker, but, of course, since he learned the language as an adult rather than as a child he can't ever get it quite right. (Developmental linguists/psychologists have frequently noted this phenomenon - wandering slightly off topic, I think Chomsky's Principle and Parameters theory of Universal Grammar is designed to account for it.)

Most of you on MAP know me as a flexibility nut. I live for this stuff. My gripe is that a man claiming to possess as BSc (in what exactly, I don't know) could make simple mistakes like those I have highlighted. At the very least he doesn't come across as an individual educated to the standard of a Bachelors degree.
I'm a very callous individual. I coldn't really give a damn about most of the tragedies in the world. But I do take the academic recognition very seriously, just as you take the military record, so I will investigate this.

Promise I'll quit complaining now. Sort of.
Please, keep it up!

Alexander

10-Oct-2008, 07:13 PM

Now, Pkaaaww...

If this is the kinda Martial Artist that Seloundo and AJIMA make, then it's advert enough to stay the hell away from the whole thing...
Ever since I started talking to you you seem to have responded to my simple requests to provide proof with outright hostility and even personal abuse. Whenever I've spotted simple inconsistencies in what you say, you've made little to no effort to clarify them or explain your position and instead have resorted to crass personal attacks. But although (I think its pretty self evident) I'm very good at this sort of discussion, I'm not going to meticulously run through your posts again and show you up. I will also extend the metaphorical olive branch and not respond to your personal attacks against me or your insinuations about how much or how little I know (if you want to do that, feel free to start a new thread and I will respond to any questions or comments you have). I'm going to assume that you've probably misunderstood me, so let me clarify what you seem to think of me...

Al seems to think that AJ Marie's motto "I AM GOD" is true, but everyone else I've asked about this says it's an egocentric complex or something...
You seem to think I'm defending him out of a blind loyalty. I'm not defending anyone, and neither am I on anyone's side. The only person(s) I believe to be god is Stephen Fry the father, his son Seasick Steve, and the holy ghost Ludwig Wittgenstein. I'm interested because if its correct then I do not wish to be associated with him, but, because I'm far from stupid, I don't want to blindly accept the word of someone that I've never met nor heard of (and who seems to provide any information about himself). My requests for evidence are not intended as personal attacks on you, neither are they outright denials of what you are saying. They are simply requests for you to back up your claims.

If you don't want to do this because they contain sensitive personal information that you consider should not be out on the open, then that's fine. But I'd like to ask you for one thing: Contact details. You've said that Saccade can be contacted through a link you've provided. But I'm afraid I don't know Claire (as in not only have I never met her, I don't know her full name). If you could PM me contact details I would be very grateful.

I don't want to talk to you at all.
This is the last time I'm speaking to you.
You're a waste of my time.

This is my last reply to you.
Period.

Obviously I can't say I'm particularly heart broken that you don't particularly want to talk me anymore, but I am disappointed because (and, once again, I genuinely mean this), if what you say is true then I want to know. So, can we agree to talk politely about this? If you're willing, so am I. These are serious allegations you are making and so I want to look into them personally.

Finally, Qigong:

...i will get in contact with pete, i will also try to contact adrian,claire,norman,ian,big ian,,carl,jack,alan, and the others....
Please do encourage them to post on this thread. Information should be in the open.

Pkaaaww!!

11-Oct-2008, 03:37 PM

What did you find out in the telephone conversation, Y-front man?

And as for info requested theres something happening right now that means the police are involved so it cant be released publicly until after the police investigation is over.
Im sure Saccade will answer any qeustions you have on that subject once the case has been dealt with.

Ive been asked to "keep Schtum" about this thread until Saccade is prepared to release the info that people are keen to hear about.
But trust me.
It ain't nice.

It shows just what type of man this A J Marie really is.

Pkaaaww!!

11-Oct-2008, 04:59 PM

Okay, I got Saccade to sign up since he's being kind enough to put me up for the time I'm in London.
You can direct all the questions you have to him though I dont think he'kl be answering many until all his legal stuff is sorted out.
So you can contact him through his profile if you don't use the link I given you.

Pkaaaww!!

11-Oct-2008, 05:01 PM

Sorry. When the profile's activated.
Mine took five minutes when I signed up from here.
Guess we're still waitin. 24hrs, so by 1800 Sunday October 12th.

qigong

11-Oct-2008, 09:28 PM

whoop whoop ,its the sound of the police , whoop whoop its the sound of the...........

koyo

11-Oct-2008, 10:19 PM

SAS shall kill you from 600meters without you knowing they were there.In a fire fight (which they tend to avoid) they depend on superior fire power.Unarmed combat is waaay down in their agenda.To my knowledge there is no specific martial art used by any british army unit.

As far as aikido is concerned, the SAS uses what feel shall be effective.I have trained in Aikido riai for forty plus years and have friends and students who were/are members of the regiment.I have taught at SAS bases on numerous accasions and the emphasis has been on taking down and imobilising hostages (when they may be terrorists) or fighting in kevlar and other equipment.Or during escape and evasion.

They typically only showed interest in techniques that THEY thought practical the fact that I cross train was important.They do not need long term imstruction in "martial arts"
SAS surprise agression and sustain.Add to that the fitness and ATTITUDE of the troopers and any pragmatic unarmed techniques will do.I would much prefare to face a ist dan in any art rather than an SAS trooper.

regards koyo

My honest opinion? These guys do not need martial arts training...they have passed selection.

Saccade

12-Oct-2008, 09:01 PM

Please, people:

Scottish in particular, since you seem to be the most in contact. I think Jason's PM'd you about this.

Will you hang on the slack on this until the Penguin (or is that luncheon trumpet - can't remember...), who's got a major sad on, and the gobbler's gulch (wait a mo' - I used to be there too... Hmmm...) that's being talked about here has finished his self-devised, manky milk run and has called off the goolie chit on me..?

The whole situation's gash and I don't want it getting any worse - I don't even know what the griff is yet... It's probably all just duff anyway.

I suppose I'll find out tomorrow.

Either way, because of certain... erm... issues or whatever you call them - I am going to have to refuse you, Alexander, information until litigation is done and dusted.

After that, I'll happily let you know anything you want.

I trained in Seloundo (amongst other things) from 2nd of February 1999 until I quit, by email, on the 10th of September 2008.
Some of the things that have been said here are true, some are false *Glares at Pkaaww* and some are just Dockyard Omlette.

This thread just sounds like a dripping tap - it's time to tighten the metaphorical gromits and fittings and shut this blare up before it provides more dolly mixture for the duffer in question (or answer, whichever makes more sense to you, since they've "moved on...").

After I've got the matter cleared up, for I cannot say what it is that has driven A J Marie to get the police to ask me to come for a chat (I've not been arrested and have no idea what the "allegations" are, as yet - will do by this time tomorrow.), I will be happy to speak openly about anything that you wish.

I would prefer it to be by PM or email, but as someone here has said - information wants to be know (though not those words)... The truth, which lies somewhere in between my own and A J Marie's stories, as it always does (except I have evidence to back up mine that is based in fact, not hearsay), deserves to be told.

It seems that, due to being dicked into doing this, the burden falls upon myself.

I would like to say more at this juncture, but as I'm being webstalked by a certain person, I think it prudent to keep my lip (or fingers) firmly buttoned until I have found out just wtf is going on, why I'm being targeted for harassment and being spoken ill of when I have done nothing but help and advise.

I'm going to, after this post, remain doggo and get some doss-time in preparation for my, bloody annoying (especially as I have a friend who is dying - a few weeks left at most - in an hospice and I'd rather be visiting HIM tomorrow than sorting this drip out... If I miss fencing tomorrow night, I'm going to be VERY angry) "chat" with the coppers tomorrow morning, 1100.

Let's hope they realise that A J Marie has done this to many of his pupils and that he is just wasting their (that includes any UK tax-payer's) time and money, chasing fruitless gripes because they've had their pride and ego knocked a bit.

Wouldn't a Martial Master have a bit more in them than to hold grudges and cause problems for people who "if aren't with me are against me"?

Alex and any other members of the old school - if you want anything, just ask and I'll do my best, as always, to give you the straight story.

When everything's SNAFU'd again...

:rolleyes:

Saccade

12-Oct-2008, 09:11 PM

By the way, about the Scot (not Grollies, Super Foot the other one, Koyo.) with the SAS stories...

Were you Platform Four'd or do you just like the Regiment. Or "Blades" as is preferred?

In my experience with these guys at places such as Lympstone and Exmoor, Pirbright, etc... they either don't make it known who they are - you just know - or they are bootnecks who who have made the cut (most I met were Andy Capp's... which was surprising. Though, they have killed more people than the British Army in total, reputably...) and end up being no-loads and dropped or brag so much that you just can't believe them...

Whichever - you know that if you get a certain look from an Old Sweat Blade, that you are most definitely in the rattle.

Or you're going to be sent to the "Glasshouse" and end up, instead of relaxing doing jankers, spending a few weeks being told to run to the top of this place before you can sit down EVERY TIME YOU REACH THE TOP OF EACH PLACE!

[edit]
btw - why are there five in the photo? It's always four... Is that you in the middle, Koyo?

Saccade

12-Oct-2008, 09:16 PM

Hopefully, it should say "MuShin"

I was going to go with two definitions of a Saccade - the part your brain edits out when you move your eyeballs (does that mean if you move your eyes fast from either side, time is different?) so you don't get dizzy.

Something that, by definition, exists but does not; you will never see it when it happens.

And:

A Spasmodic Jerk.

I'll let you choose which you like best when I get to know you all a bit better.

Saccade

13-Oct-2008, 08:28 AM

I just got a call from the police letting me know the voluntary interview is off at Hornsey today as they have something important to do.

Where they are in Surrey.

Probably a shoplifting of a can of beans or something or, like the only mar on my criminal record - someone being nicked for eating stuff as they wander round Sainsbury's by a Zealot of a security guard and a bewildered shopper who just complies because they're overwhelmed by how stoopid the whole situation's turned out to be...

Mine was - eating (approximately) 20 grammes of grapes, opening a pack of brioche to see if it was the right type (which means you have to pay for it and eating a croissant on the way round and not paying for it.

"Can I see your receipt sir?"
"Why? Of course you can..."
"So. Where's the grapes?"
"What grapes?"
"The ones you ate along with the croissant?"
"eh? Fer gawd's sake man..."
"Come with me to the manager's office please."
"Alright, let's get this sorted out."

I got a caution for that.

Here's your caution - Don't eat bakery products when shopping before you've had breakfast in front of the security guard at the tils and not pay for it.

Some of them believe that the shop is worth defending and there jobs rest upon the fact that a croissant is worth 20 pence...

suraj1408

14-Oct-2008, 08:25 PM

You seem to be a fountain of knowledge?! When speaking with two of your ex students who were of a high rank, and one so called instructor, it seems you have diluted your style into a fast track to black belt school! Where even the total layman can reach black belt and teach within months. As a result it seems that some of your most respected, and talented members left the school. Is this the case because you sell yourself very well in previous posts here? The style is now so dilute apparently that all of the more complex techniques previously taught are now scrapped and only pugilistic methods are used which enables you to get many students to teacher status much quicker even if they are not up to it. This was done with making money in mind and not teaching martial arts. This is no attack at your school but this is what I’ve heard on other martial arts sites, this isn’t my personal view but a reply would be interesting.

I'm sorry, but what I gather from your comment, is:
1) that you went out of your way, to talk to two EX-seloundo students
2) Analysed the system very well
3) Formed a vague impression on it
4) And you are trying to superimpose that impression on all of MAP while blindly claiming that it is not an attack on the school (which takes THE FEES and provides training) and that this isn't YOUR impression, you were just INFLUENCED by external martial art sites?

Im sorry, I may not be the sharpest nail here, but i really dont understand how that works :( :confused:

daaamn, i feel frustrated :bang:

suraj1408

14-Oct-2008, 08:37 PM

The bloke showed no respect to students,his students feared him him not respected him, he was always right,you were always wrong,and yes your right that he pushed the best away from him.rudness is too little a word to use,i will get in contact with pete, i will also try to contact adrian,claire,norman,ian,big ian,,carl,jack,alan, and the others.i feel sorry for all the vunarable and weak people that walk in that door.I saw so many talented and good kind people treated badly and pushed out.

"The bloke" shows enough respect (moral and ethical definition of respect), no student ever feared him apart from the ones who got into fights in the school, he ENSURED he was always right, WITH HIS STUDENTS, rudeness is on your side brother, you go contact your friends and start your militia, and you CERTAINLY don't feel sorry for any "vulnerable" students, because if you did, you wouldn't feel sorry for the people he cares about and you certainly wouldn't say they were treated badly or pushed out. :topic:

What matters is what is in the heart, spirit and soul. Ideas cannot be fought with bullets. :woo::hat:

Certainly not with words. Your friends should develop a good moral sense, not attack the public using them. As Master Marie said, some wear tainted-glasses and will always do

That does not always mean what it necessarily suggests.

Saccade

15-Oct-2008, 04:39 PM

"The bloke" shows enough respect (moral and ethical definition of respect), no student ever feared him

I'd agree with you there.

apart from the ones who got into fights in the school,

But not there...

he ENSURED he was always right,

Again, I concour.

WITH HIS STUDENTS,

But, sadly, not here...
Perhaps you don't know the man as well as you believe you do.

It is certainly most interesting that, now the police have found something better to do than chase up allegations, so it seems, that there is a new member who has popped up and made two posts.

I must inform you that as part of a valid and serious matter that anything you say will go into my own and a few other's files.

I was always taught not to kick someone when they're down and that "Masters of Discipline" never lose their cool when they're taken down or tapped in the head.

I was also taught that the best techniques are those delivered after the attacker has spent their energy or to use that energy and say "stop hitting yourself, stop hitting yourself, stop hitting yourself, ad nauseum..."

And that there's a new law on taxis that state you've got to have disabled access to be a "tout" and that the car must be under three years old to be a "called car".

A forced hand is not a good one to play and results in "stop hitting yourself..."

If you're training in Seloundo, stick with Anthony and Master Marie.

But, please, don't get too close or give away any confidences as they're not kept confidential.
But I'm sure you know this...

rudeness is on your side brother,

Quite

you go contact your friends and start your militia, and you CERTAINLY don't feel sorry for any "vulnerable" students,

Feeling sorry for people is Pity - Pity is not Compassion.

Pity implies that you are above the other person.
I'll quote here "One Mat, Half Mat, A Fistful of Rice".

That means "We're all human" basically. Look it up if you want a decent explanation, because I'm typing here and want to proceed to the next point.

because if you did, you wouldn't feel sorry for the people he cares about

Who's "He"?

Are you suggesting that the Teacher doesn't feel sorry for "Vulnerable" people or that someone else doesn't.

That's not what the message is supposed to be...
Maybe you've got a different definition of "Vulnerable" than I, and the rest of the world, have.

(before you go off on one - rest of the world means each individual.)

Because, either way, I don't think you know "He" well enough to say anything...

Parrots make good messengers and people DO shoot the messenger.
There is always a whipping boy in an enclosed society that is an Oligarchy.

The best whipping boys are those that are not there to defend themselves, or the Parrots...

and you certainly wouldn't say they were treated badly or pushed out.

I wouldn't - I quit.

What matters is what is in the heart, spirit and soul. Ideas cannot be fought with bullets.

And mind, body, outside, inside, past, present and future.

As for ideas not being fought by bullets...

Do you not know any history at all?

A quick example:

Think of the American Way (yes, I'm an american indian... we all are, if you check the genetic map) and Communism.

How many ideas have been stopped with bullets in the last 50 years with that one?

Certainly not with words.

Not by a parrot, anyway - ideas have been stopped by words.

"I win, you lose!"
"That wasn't a competition - we weren't keeping score"
"Really?! Damn... I thought it was. Thanks for telling me. When will there be a competition?"
"Next time."
"Okay... So I didn't win."
"No. Just thought you did."
"Oh, right... Does that mean I'm not god?"
"No - just inside your self imposed proxemics."

Your friends should develop a good moral sense, not attack the public using them.

I believe they did - they've all got the moral sense to realise that this ain't the road they want to walk down because it's leading into trouble.

Who's the public? When did they get involved in this?

As Master Marie said, some wear tainted-glasses and will always do.
That does not always mean what it necessarily suggests.

I wear Polaroids...
Keeps the sun out of my eyes, ensures that I have the "no-eye contact to eye-contact" advantage in social situations that require a sudden "cool off"...

It is true that some people will always wear tainted glasses - but because they're always wearing them, they'll never know that they are.

ie - they'll never take them off 'cos they don't know they got 'em.

Did you know that Master Marie refuses to wear glasses, despite his eyesight getting bad?

I think that's quite Ironic, considering the tainted glasses statement...

Van Zandt

15-Oct-2008, 04:45 PM

I do not wish to be involved in the direction this thread is heading, therefore I will no post no further responses.

Regards,

Dan

Saccade

15-Oct-2008, 04:49 PM

Just quickly, the other four points you raised 1408.

1) No-one's spoken to me about it... And I believe Qigong was a student themselves...

2) That's because Qigong was a student. Read the posts. Or do you, like Master Marie, not like reading long passages (I still don't have my books back that I lent him... Thanks for reminding me.)?

3) Analysed the system well but gave a vague impression on it...
Are you sure you're not Daze or Master Who? Because you certainly sound like "them"...

You seem to have trouble making one point and then dissolve it in the next.

I feel the need to warn you again that Web-stalking is a crime. As is Defamation, when what is said is proved to be false. ie, a REAL lie.

4) Couldn't possibly comment.

But it does seem that you are here to "set the record straight"...

Let the truth lie, as it does in all cases of opposites, somewhere in the middle.

Let the Sea of Grey be brought into existence and let the people decide where the divides of Black and White may be drawn, and where the counterpoints lie inside each zone.

The "Truth and the Way" is expressed very nicely in the Yin and Yang symbol...

Saccade

15-Oct-2008, 04:51 PM

Thank you Dan.

I wish this thread would just cease.

"Moved on..."

Like AJIMA.

Saccade

15-Oct-2008, 04:56 PM

It would be in AJIMA's best interests if it DID stop...

The more attention brought to this thread, the worse the Viral will be about Seloundo.

If I were still a student, and doing the work I did for Master Marie, I would have asked that this thread be removed.

But I'm not and I'm not, so I won't.

Let it be here as a memorial for what was once and is and most likely will not be after another 30 odd years.

Because the best student AJIMA has, if he's any sense, will take his Martial Way and build upon it and teach his own Way.

And he knows he's the best in Seloundo, except for AJ Marie who may or may not let him know certain things...

Though I always think of this person as being 13 years old... Even though he's now a beast of a man.

His name's Anthony and he's the best thing to come out of Seloundo and I wish him all the best in his future.

Pkaaaww!!

16-Oct-2008, 01:21 PM

Thank you Dan.

I wish this thread would just cease.

"Moved on..."

Like AJIMA.

Amen to that one bra.

qigong

17-Oct-2008, 06:19 PM

suraj1408

You have no idea who you are talking to

qigong

17-Oct-2008, 06:30 PM

pete i used to train with you,you were very good with the nunchucks,you used to talk to me about herbal medicine.....you know who am i mate,hope you remember me

Saccade

18-Oct-2008, 12:22 AM

That must narrow it down to a demonstration I gave at the King's College in Guildford...
Or me messing around with them at seminars, camping weekends or at the centre before Marie decided that they weren't part of the syllabus (even though he knew them and was probably better ;) if you know what I mean)

There weren't many there then...

I'm sure I remember you - I remember most of the students from the past 10/12 years who trained with Marie.
That musta been four/five years ago, Qigong - I take it you're a bloke.

Saccade

18-Oct-2008, 12:24 AM

If you want to email me, until you're able to PM, I'll be happy to chat with you, or anyone, about the benefits and downsides and flaws in the Seloundo system.

MuShinDo is doing pretty well since it's started up...

Saccade

18-Oct-2008, 12:59 AM

And fer cryin out loud - it's TINTED glasses, just as its Qua Erite et Inveninentis...

How many times do I have to get the Latin out to show that it's wrong?

Tainted glasses would be those that are tainted by something.
Tinted means that they're obscured somewhere.

Quit being a bleeding parrot and come up with your own thoughts.

Oh, I'm sorry - your teacher says "question everything, including me." But is never wrong about anything.

Even XHTML and CSS and media / viral adverising and business growth, which (at first) he admitted he knew nothing about and suddenly became an expert on because he wouldn't listen.

A closed mind is a dead one.

A dead mind is just that...

Find a teacher with an open mind and who cares more about you and your progress than if you've paid your fees on time and what they can get out of you.

"I've got my plans for everyone..."

All AJIMA Students are just "untapped potential" meaning: Not the traditional way, but potential for exploitation.

How many of the teachers there (what is it now, two? Three? And I know that two of the black belts got their grades in under 2 years... It's laughable... Fastracks, eh) are paying their training fees still, ergo - Paying to teach...

It should be the other way around.

It's why a lot of the other instructors, including Darren and Jack (both good friends of mine) left.

Too much demand, too much impatience, too much ego and lack of respect for students.

Except the ones who haven't cottoned on to the game yet.

qigong

19-Oct-2008, 10:09 AM

heya saccade

Yeah both the camping weekend and kings,darren left too has he,i know jack did.im trying to say it in a way so you know who i am but cant think of anything right now,will do though,yeah ive seen black belts who can only do a front kick and not much more lol.how do you PM on this forum.yeah i trained with seloundo at the new centre too,and with you way before all this seloundo started-spectrum,farnham ect.I have stuff i could say to show examples of too higher demand,lack of respect but it would pin point me right out,you would belive the stuff i put up with before enough was enough

Alexander

23-Oct-2008, 02:06 PM

I'm afraid you have to wait until you've posted about 50 times (I think) before PMs becomes available to you.

Saccade

25-Oct-2008, 06:52 PM

Jack's Travelling - hasn't left but has no intention of returning considering.
Darren's Working hard... He has a life.
Nick's moved too far away (same distance as me, opposite direction - but I'm stupid...)
Chris got the wrong end of the stick. Think he's doing other things now.
Alan was Carl's friend.
Carl had had enough.
The Hesters got it.
Monger too - she still teaches from what I hear and was not sued. Despite what you may have heard.

Ginge went to Norway with the short blonde (I think)
Iain's too good for this.
Adrian - bully. No room for two.
Dan - came back but had put on a LOT of weight...

There's only one "old school" student left, of which I am aware. That's Anthony.

I just hope that he doesn't get the same treatment that everyone else has.
He has a nice smile and a firm handshake.

Plus he was the only black belt to look me in the eyes. I hope he gets some clinch and CQC and groundwork in. His distance is very, very good.

I really hope he's not the next toy to get thrown out of the barrel.

Alex:
Not meaning to be rude, but are you Alex the girl who went to Uni?
Or the one who recently returned and has been "teaching" Taekwondo at Uni?

Or someone else. There have been several Alex's...

I remember students well.
I just don't remember any Genius' apart from Peter the Mathematics Professor...

Maybe the potential just didn't show in class.

I feel quite bad for the remaining Instructors and Black Belts. They have risen too quickly and it is harming what was, once ("back in the days..."), a good, reputable style with a good chief instructor.

Marie is a good teacher, but he is human and all human's have their faults.

People who have to go out of their way to prove something prove nothing - but their need to prove their limitations.

People who do not accept responsibility for their own actions and are never at fault are devious minds.

People with the Proxemics of a child tied to a table (think of a man trapped in a building... He does not have the power outside so sends others in his stead.), with devious minds and something to prove.

They end up self-proclaimed masters.
Poor Commanders on external affairs...

What external knowledge such people attain is through others who are prepared to share or from sources such as the 'net or books.

The problem with that is - the type of mind in case - what is believed is believed to be RIGHT and everything else WRONG.
It is NEVER to be at fault... It is always someone/thing else's.

There is the godlike image to prove.

The image that must be proved to prove that the godlike image has it's limitations.

It is much easier to just be yourself.
WYSIWYG.

When a person shows you who they really are - that is when you know them.

I now know someone for who they really are and I wish I didn't.

My image of them is shattered and the fragments reflect bitterness, blame, untruth and conflict.

All that is needed in life is truth and it shall be harmony.

In this instance the Truth will prevail.

The police have been very courteous to me. They are coming to see me next Wednesday at 1400. A tad annoying, as it interferes with my entire day, but at least it'll be over with.

I was told this would be my opportunity to counter-claim for the Defamation, Libel and Slander, Webstalking... Along with the opportunity to inform the police of the other reasons why a person would refuse to eCRB check themselves.

But they were told me in confidence and so they shall remain.

Unless there has been irreparable damage to a person loved or yourself, what need is there for revenge?
And if revenge is to be exacted, it is best to do so immediately.

It's no secret that I used to mind drug dealers.

I've always preferred the taste of warm blood.

Alexander

25-Oct-2008, 07:35 PM

Alex:
Not meaning to be rude, but are you Alex the girl who went to Uni?
Or the one who recently returned and has been "teaching" Taekwondo at Uni?

Or someone else. There have been several Alex's...
No, last time I checked I was a bloke. Have you got me confused with Alison?

But, yes, I moved up north in 2004 to go to Uni and am pretty much living up there now. I set up the University's TKD club with a friend who initially did the teaching, and I kind of just took over when he left.

I remember students well.
I just don't remember any Genius' apart from Peter the Mathematics Professor...
Well, I'm aiming high. But at the minute I'm applying for Doctoral study, so there's no chance of me being appointed a professor within the next few years!

Maybe the potential just didn't show in class.
Perhaps you're interpreting my signature a little too seriously! :cool:

I like being insanely arrogant because it attracts attention and makes people try and beat me in a debate/arguement. And on the subject of Tae Kwon-Do that is very hard as I do know a colossal ammount about it. Obviously it's not impossible - I don't claim to know everything! - and when someone does prove me wrong I really don't have a problem with admitting it. I like knowing stuff, and since being proved wrong increases my knowledge I'm fine with that.

But, that doesn't happen very often. :evil:

In terms of my practical ability I admit I'm no Yilmaz. About a year and a half ago I had to make a serious of choices about where I wanted my life to go. Quite simply, I valued academic research over practising martial art and so now train nowhere near as much as I once did. Instead I'm sacrificing my time training to go to conferences, seminars and presentations in my chosen fields. Also, when I do get to actually be a student in a martial art class its usually grappling which has become a major passion for me.

I'm still obsessively thinking and researching martial art strategies and tactics though. If they go anywhere then great, but at the minute its too early to tell. Hopefully I should have an answer come next July, and if its interesting I'll certainly start a new thread!

WYSIWYG.
Sorry, I just have no idea what that means. Could you spell it out?

Saccade

25-Oct-2008, 08:54 PM

Getting a doctorate is a good plan Alex.

I thought you may be Alexis...
It was the Philosophy thing that did it - she went off to do a BSc.

Seems we have something in common then, Alex. Being the person who tends to get the last word in and likes to be the smartarse that will link whatever you're saying to whatever I know most about.

Doctorates in England are a LOT harder than in the US - I've been helping out a few people with their psychology and applied psychotherapy and it really does take this pi$$ out of our educational system.
Their PhD is the same as a 12 week, hour a week Samaritan's course.

So it seems to me, anyway...

Having the TKD skills pretty much set, it's probably a good idea to move closer in distance to the grappling.
I'd have to recommend Hapkido to keep the TKD skills up and ensure you get the JiuJitsu and Muay Thai style CQC's.

But, as I said - Acadaemia is a very competitive place. Moreso than the ring.
If you're committed enough, and I doubt you'd be applying for a PhD if you weren't, make sure you keep your guard up.

Reading your posts (and having Steven Fry QI as a hero - good choice) all I can say is don't let anyone take credit for your works.

It happens a lot and prestige is important when applying for research grants, etc...

Sometimes just having a person's (preferably your own!) in a paper will make the difference between getting what you want or not.

As for Martial Strategy and Tactics - have a read of Hagakure, research the Yagyu clan's fighting styles (including Shinobi and Ninja deployment) and, an essential - Sun's Tzu's "Art of War"...

The book of Five Rings is also a good one, though it's usually in the business sections of bookshops than the Martial areas or sports bits now...

Shame - it tells you how to kill someone with a flower...
If you read it right...

Possibly a good Thesis starter?

Ah yes - WYSIWYG...

What You See Is What You Get.

TTFN,
Pete

suraj1408

27-Oct-2008, 06:34 PM

guys, i know u shudnt treat this like MSN or wotever, im sorry :P

errrmmmm...yes, democracy opinion thing:

well done for concouring (or not)... but on the same lines, u really havnt SHED LIGHT on the matter...

im STILL getting an idea that ur trying to SUPERIMPOSE ur feelings into me... Wow...Master Marie sounds really BAAD :eek: ur realy making it seem like he stalks his students, hiding in the shadows and hunts them down wen they r alone (don't get too close or give away any confidences as they're not kept confidential.) But again, this is MY imagination.

and um......im sorry as i sed, im not insanely clever (like you) so i dint get the police thing, i felt like ur saying im working for the MI5 or sumthing... 2 make it clear to the world...IM NOT ATTACKING ANYONE, im neutral man. saying stuff like I WILL USE ANYTHING U SAY AGAINST U makes me feel scared and threatened...im sorry?

the one mat half mat thing...i dint get +ve results on google... i got one MAN half mat... but not one mat...plz clarify i wud really like to empathise on ur behalf here as well, ur making me feel like im a small person trying to lure a much larger prey...coz im NOT :rolleyes:

u told me to stick with master marie and anthony...uh i dont see how i do that...so the rest of th ppl r suckers?

the car thing: lolololol i dint get it, but lolololol
u hav a sense of humour, although i dont think thats wot u were trying to get at :( sorry

me bring a strict brahmin, i also agree we r all human...
but...

on a basic level: i think ur being mean to master marie =P

on a higher level: i REALLY dont see how he shows egotastic behaviour or wotevr u called it...

memememe? the point is, sir (as i dont really know u) if im writing something about ME, my friend (i know this is pushing it) im not gonna write KING LEONIDAS 1 OF SPARTA WAS THE MOST ICONIC CHARACTER IN THE HISTORY OF GREECE IN 356AD.....

im gonna write (wow, did u know) about ME :cool:

my other teachers (yes im at school...) all seem to be JUST the same as Master Marie (in terms of ego thing only...)

somtimes wonders back 2 stuff about the past....but dosnt keep going YES I FOUGHT THE BATTLE OF THERMOPYLAE, I KILLED XERXES, YES IM SURE HE DIED!!!! HE MUST HAVE!!!!

which is really sumthing similar to my interpretation of ur comments...

If so many people r favouring "antony" how is he still continuing?
And plus...rnt public involved? am i living in a cave? or is it just us?

ah yes...polaroids =D......(??? :topic:)

yes the messenger DOES get kicked into pits...

1) IM GLAD im not asking 4 earth and water
2) IM GLAD THIS AINT SPARTAAAAAAAAA :bang:

master marie dosnt refuse 2 wear glasses...he jus dosnt wear them ALL THE TIME!!!

and about the HISTORY thing: dont the ideas carry on in humanity? rnt principles they set and the thoughts they were founded on carried on?

COUNTER EXAMPLES (MORE):1) illuminati kickback....the government neutralised them...but do they continue to survive in FRONT OF OUR EYES?
2) holy grail...not so much as bullets...but the legend lives aparrently..
and lastly three examples of sound proof: Mahatma Gandhi (shot 3 times in the chest) yet almost sixth of the world will stand up to salute him (yes im talking about India),

Martin Luther King (assassinated by a socalled madman, Ray somthing)...yh...that GREY SEA, blacks, whites...i know u werent talking races...but thats being practiced racially...ajima being one of the places (dont claim racism here) and u hav to be INSANE to say his ideas hav been stopped...

lastly...more recent, Benazir Bhutto...was assassinated by extremists (a shockingly terrible and appalling loss for her country)...but her husband rose up and is helping out Pakistan as PM...

suraj1408

27-Oct-2008, 06:36 PM

and plz dont acusse me of being a Web-stalker....

im an individual whos sharing my thoughts...justifying the situation (ok, dont keep going on about this)

who created UNREST in the first place, "Saccade?

Saccade

27-Oct-2008, 11:58 PM

For the "unrest" - Read the thread from the start.

Work on your typing and prose before posting - it's hard to understand what you're saying.

So...
Like you, I'm stupid am I?

Is self-depreciation a strong characteristic that is taught to you?

No-one has accused you of web-stalking, but there is evidence - your IP address is logged here - that certain persons are monitoring my internet activity regarding my leaving AJIMA.

The previous post is largely incoherent and nonsensical.
Ergo, I'm going to disregard it as such until you learn to string a sentence together that is worthy of a decent reply.

When I say "Stick with Marie and Anthony" I mean as teachers.

The other black-belts are not worthy of their grade, compared to other black-belts that the school has seen.

If you are who you say you are - do you know the relevence of 14/08? - then, as a child, being at school (an accurate description) you will just have to trust in your elders that there are people in this world who are not who they seem to be.

I will explain the One Mat; Half Mat - Fistful of Rice saying to you before I add you to my ignore list.

One Mat - is all a man needs to sleep on.
Half Mat - is all a man needs to sit on.
A Fistful of Rice - is all a man needs to fill his stomach.

Your internet research skills really aren't up to much.

I don't understand what justification is required... Things happen - they create a response.
No justification needed...

All that is just IS.

The Truth is all that matters.

It is very strange indeed that for someone with such poor internet skills (which children tend not to possess), you are well versed in politics and can cite examples that only an adult would have much interest in, unless said child wanted to be a revolutionary.

Yet find it hard to string a coherent sentence together and overuse smileys.

Think what you like about me or Antonio Marie - this is our last dialogue.

Saccade

28-Oct-2008, 12:00 AM

Just one last thing - Is it "mean" when a person finds themselves in a situation where most men would NOT hit a woman, knowing that is the right thing, yet do it regardless because of deep-rooted childhood resentment issues and a self-proclaimed character complex?

Is that a good role model?

Hypothetically speaking..?

Also - refer to Anthony by his proper name if you have any respect.
He is a black-belt and your senior.

Give you a clue - it's MR.

StuartA

28-Oct-2008, 11:08 AM

So anyway... whats this thread all about then? :confused:

Saccade

28-Oct-2008, 11:18 AM

ROFL!
Nice one Stuart.

Seloundo is based upon TKD techniques - it helps a lot with Hapkido, Muay Thai and Boxing.

But...

This thread has more turned out to be about this:

One man and his mission to change the world from his safe haven, using agents to make initial contact with the outside world.

Just like L Ron Hubbard.

StuartA

28-Oct-2008, 01:22 PM

ROFL!
Nice one Stuart.
Laughter is the cure of all the worlds ills (maybe) :)

Seloundo is based upon TKD techniques - it helps a lot with Hapkido, Muay Thai and Boxing.
Okay.. got that... thanks. Except do you mean it contains elements of hapkido, Muay thai etc?

This thread has more turned out to be about this: One man and his mission to change the world from his safe haven, using agents to make initial contact with the outside world.
Lost me here somewhat.. cant tell if its an "outing" type of thread, or a "defence" type thread!!!

Just like L Ron Hubbard.
Lost me here even more.. whats Ron got to do with it!!!!

Stuart

Saccade

31-Oct-2008, 03:09 PM

Seloundo is pretty much TKD with the traditional patterns and stances taken out...
It contains a lot of Goju Ryu style techniques and there are the Take-downs and (occasional) locks that AJ Marie knows thrown in.

I've found it helpful for Boxing, Muay Thai and Hapkido in the sense that it augments them by removing the traditional elements, such as punching from the hip.

If you mean outing as attacking, I'd have to say that Seloundo is a much more aggressive and active martial art than a passive and defensive one.

Though, at higher levels, Counter attacks (as with all Martial Art) is the preferred option.

The L Ron Hubbard bit was the first analogy I could make to the Creator of the style and the attitude that they've shown recently.

I'll explain more in my next, and last (unless there are questions), in this thread.

Saccade

31-Oct-2008, 03:33 PM

So - I went to see the police regarding the allegations A J Marie has made against me since I quit.

Apparently I was banned from AJIMA (even though I showed the police the email saying I quit).

The allegation was to do with sex and children.

If the allegation stuck (which of course it didn't!) then it would mean it would appear on my eCRB and I would never be able to teach Martial Art to children EVER.

The police have told me that, because I went in voluntarily, that it will not appear on my record - eCRB checks showing EVERYTHING from stop and searches to any notes they have on you as a person.

What annoyed me most about all this is that the first interview was put off due to the police having better things to do.
I was supposed to be visiting my friend in the Hospice on Wednesday morning.
I arranged to visit him in the afternoon instead.

That was a big mistake.

I was informed of his death as I was making my way to the police station.
He died at 1002 on Wednesday from Renal Failure.

If I didn't have to attend that interview, I would've been there to say goodbye - that made me quite angry.
I was angry with A J Marie at first because of this, but how could anyone have known that this was going to happen?

He is not to blame.

What he is to blame for is wasting my time trying to get me in trouble with the law regarding a SERIOUS offence, ensuring I could never teach again, and lying through his teeth.

I had promised not to say anything defamatory about AJIMA or Seloundo, but during the course of the interview the police told me that I must say certain things.

I regarded A J Marie as a friend and a role-model (despite his dubious past and the fact that he's waiting for the day he can wee over his mother's grave).

That someone I called Master and Friend could do this to me is totally inexcusable.

When I am friends with someone, I will do anything for them - to the best of my ability.
If they do something that means our relationship is terminated (ie - I QUIT) then that person is out of my life forever.

Gone and forgotten.

Not so for A J Marie. Not only was he content in emailing persons telling them I was an active drug addict and that they should not trust me (including my partner), he is also telling people who I was friendly with at AJIMA that I have been banned for taking drugs.

This and the police allegations and web-stalking has meant that I have nothing further to say about A J Marie, nor AJIMA or Seloundo.

My ties with this "organisation" are cut forever and I am ashamed that I was drawn in by a "cult" type leader who proclaims himself "god in this building" but has no authority outside.

If you are to carry the Martial Way - Carry it wherever you go.

A Martial Artist is a person of Valour, a Master more-so...

But that does not make them "god".

In this instance, a bitter old man who could not accept that he had lost "the best instructor AJIMA would ever see" and the willingness to serve, on any task, and the expertise in areas that the old man did not - most likely will never - possess.

I have my youth and because of that I have made a folly.
But because I have my youth, I have the chance to steer my maturity in the direction that I want it to.

I am lucky to have met such a person as A J Marie, known him long enough and well enough to know his True Colours.

It means that I have been bitten and, as the old saying goes - "once bitten, twice shy".

It is my own fault - I knew that his persona was one such as it is. Yet I allowed myself to be put into the position that I have been.

There is nothing more to be said - A J Marie's True Colours have been shown and I have severed all ties with AJIMA and Seloundo.

Anyone who is considering Seloundo should remember that, apart from Mr Anthony Downs and A J Marie - the other black belts have not the skill or the confidence to teach.

I can attest to this because I floored the "Master of Discipline" and then broke his Discipline by tapping his head on our second meeting, after he mocked me for my Kihap on the strike after his flooring, so that he forgot his training and became, and fought, as a Caveman.

Let this post stand as the Milestone in AJIMA and Seloundo's history that it is.

One of disgraceful conduct and non-adherence to their own Oath and Tenets.

Polar Bear

31-Oct-2008, 03:44 PM

Though, at higher levels, Counter attacks (as with all Martial Art) is the preferred option.

That is cobblers!

The Bear.

Saccade

31-Oct-2008, 07:03 PM

OBJECTION!

Prosecution is speculating and is leading the thread Off Topic.

:)

I've always preferred an attack, parry, riposte approach - means you lead them into doing what you want them to do so you can deliver the coup de grace...

The Riposte formation is the perfect Counter Attack, though it must start with an attack (of sorts, be it a feign or actual blow, plot or wordplay, whatever).

Perhaps we both have different ideas about what a Counter Attack is Bear?

Mine is that you draw the enemy into your game by slapping them in the face (attack) and running around the corner (parry) where there's an army of your mates waiting with spiky things...

Riposte!

Saccade

31-Oct-2008, 07:05 PM

Maybe you thought I meant just stand there and get hit then hit them back.

Geez - give me some credit...

Saccade

04-Nov-2008, 11:42 AM

Oh - I just loaded this page and forgot that Seloundo's AJIMA teacher (their new webpage www.seloundo.co.uk (http://www.seloundo.co.uk)) made allegations against me concerning sex and children.

This is how the head instructor deals with people who quit.

If you're going to do Seloundo - for those of you who have PM'd me - my advice is don't EVER get yourself into a position where Seloundo or AJIMA do not have you in their (ie AJ Marie's) good books.

You'll find yourself at the end of a CID investigation into allegations to do with Sex and Children and, even though the case is closed - if the police weren't so understanding - it would've stayed on my eCRB check and meant I'd have a LOT of trouble finding a job where an eCRB check is required.

That includes teaching Martial Art.

A J Marie "Cannot CRB Check Himself" - that's what he told me, shrugging his shoulders (even though I have and so have many others...) though he claims to be...

Considering his crusade to shut down every teacher with a mark on their Criminal Records Bureaux Check - I'd ask to see HIS before I started training there...

Mitch

04-Nov-2008, 01:06 PM