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Andy Murray
28-Aug-2002, 09:59 AM
We've had sooooooooo many discussions around this subject, but let me just quickly explain before Disney files a law suit.

Before answering, it might be an idea for new members interested in this subject to view some of the (at times very heated) discussion we have already had;

"Tradition vs Progress" (http://www.martialartsplanet.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=195)
"Commercialisation" (http://www.martialartsplanet.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=181)
"The real story behind the Mc Dojo..." (http://www.martialartsplanet.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=240)
"Black Belt in 12 months" (http://www.martialartsplanet.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=253)

There are an infinite variety of blends within the MA.

At one end of the scale we have Dojo's purely interested in the fun/sport end of the arts.

At the other end we have the Dojo's that train purely for the street, against weapons and the worst elements of society.

Now it is entirely possible that a fun/sport Dojo will claim to be teaching practical cure-all, one stop shop self defence, just as some people will tell you training purely for reality is fun.

Consider then that there are many shades in between these two groups. No one art can rightfully claim to be entirely practical, as there is always someone with a better way of doing things, or a reason for not doing something.

I see nothing wrong with a style which contains graceful and intricate movements which are fun to perform, this is often the publics (mis)conception of the arts, and what get's most young people involved. I do believe that people teaching these systems should always explain the applications though. It is, however, up to the individual to decide whether they have sufficient reality/practicality involved.

I have trained with many alledged reality purists over the years though, and always see something in practice, which I judge to be impractical.

No one style or individual has the answer to every question, but surely by dismissing out of hand every system we feel operates with a different criteria from our own we risk losing an opportunity to learn.

I don't personally distinguish from a Black Belt of 50 years and a White Belt of 5 minutes. I know I'll learn something important from each of them. In fact I have done so on this very forum.

Your thought's people???

Freeform
01-Sep-2002, 08:40 AM
You can learn from anyone just through the way their body moves when trying to do a technique. I've seen a few BB's get caught by beginers in sparring, and then go 'But your not allowed to do it that way...', I aways find this amusing.

For all the relative newbies to the site (me and andy are old and creaky now) I'd suggest you look at some of the old threads andy mentioned, see what you think and let us know.

Thanx

Cringes in the fear that the commercialisation thread will be ressurected

morphus
01-Sep-2002, 08:24 PM
I agree with the fact you can learn from just about anyone who walks in to the dojang/dojo, which is why we spar with as many people as poss and not the same person all the time when training.
I've also come across the old "ah.. but you're not allowed to do it that way here."
I've also seen stuff - in every martial art i've witnessed first hand -that i personally wouldn't use or do; but i always come away with something positive.
For me it comes to which you think will benefit you most - which one you can take the most from and make your core(i avoided putting 'style' there); and then cross train in other arts to get stuff YOU feel is worth adding, bolstering your personal arsenal.
Just because you train mainly in one particular style, doesn't mean you can't have a personal 'way' outside the dojang/dojo.
As for training, i train in several ways, keeping it fun - keeping it practical - keeping it real, i get this from varied sources/arts.

Spike
01-Sep-2002, 10:12 PM
Freeform said:
I've seen a few BB's get caught by beginers in sparring, and then go 'But your not allowed to do it that way...', I aways find this amusing.

A couple of clubs I`ve been to have said "you don`t do it that way..." because later on you`ll get shown how easy that is to counter.

I`ve also seen a few clubs that say you don`t do it that way, simply because their style doesn`t allow for it.