Ready Position

[Jointlock]

This is a spin off of the "Is this even real?" thread.

From the video in that thread before and after each kick the person would return to a ready position. I have seen this elsewhere and in other martial arts.

Do Hapkido schools teach techniques using the Taekwondo type of Joon-Be postion? Standing straight up, fists tight in front of the belt, and feet square.

I've been confused ever since I studied Taekwondo why this position is used. Is it just tradition or is this supposed to symbolize the person standing normal and getting attacked?

I guess the problem I have with this stance is that people seem to make it too ridged and tight. I could understand if you were supposed to stand normally and get attacked, that would make more sense.

What does everyone else think?

[BSR]

Do Hapkido schools teach techniques using the Taekwondo type of Joon-Be postion? Standing straight up, fists tight in front of the belt, and feet square.



My school does not teach this (thankfully), and I can't say that I've seen it from many other Hapkido practioners.

There are so many different kwans, though, and some of them seem to have a distinct TKD influence, so I wouldn't be surprised to find some Hapkido schools with TKD's obsession with stances.

At our school, we really only have two stances. One is a regular fighting stance, similar to what a boxer might use. The other is a "neutral stance" which really isn't a stance at all, but simply standing straight with your hands at your sides like you would normally. This is to practice techniques from a position in which you might not have been expecting to defend yourself.

[TheMadhoose]

I was told by Grandmaster Rhee Ji Ha that the joon bee position represented the oriental sign of peace (a circle). arms sighty bent in front of the belt giving the arms a circular Shape. apart from that it gives you something to do with your hands to stop you fidgeting.

[GreenDragonHKD]

Yeah we definately do not use that stance at all during kicking...I personally have everyone keep their hands up like a boxers stance...the fists or open hands are protecting their jaw, their head is tilted slightly down to propel their balance a little forward and this also causes the neck to tighten up to stabilize the head, and their arms are tucked in close to their sides to protect their ribs, side and front if need be...it just makes sense to me to practice it the way you would want to use it in a real scenario....repetition creates your unconscious habits.....
Michael Tomlinson

[Utotin]

I make my kids do it before they go into fighting stance. I feel like it keeps things a little more structured looking. Not the adults though. As far as my fighting stance goes it is prety much like Master Tomlinson described. Hands up Chin down.

[Jointlock]

I was told by Grandmaster Rhee Ji Ha that the joon bee position represented the oriental sign of peace (a circle). arms sighty bent in front of the belt giving the arms a circular Shape. apart from that it gives you something to do with your hands to stop you fidgeting.

Would you use it in a real confrontation?

[donb]

Would you use it in a real confrontation?
Probably not in a million years.
Anyway, the TKD program that i came from only goes to Joon BI when listening for instructions/lectures but not to start a kick or go back at the end of a kick but uses it for katas. On the other hand, the HKD program i went to, for red and black belt levels, all jump kicks and jumps with spin kicks have to be done from Joon Bi, adding a degree of difficulty to the task. In fact, i started a thread earlier about delivering a jumping turning inside crescent kick which is actually done from joon bi - a kick which probably, i will never use in an actual situation.
IMO, the joon bi position has a military connotation similar to "parade dress" (when hands are behind you and feet shoulder length apart) position wherein being, supposedly, a relaxed position from standing in attention. I could be wrong, but i use for students to listen to tips that i'm giving without getting to be too relaxed that they won't pay attention.

[Jointlock]

Probably not in a million years.
Anyway, the TKD program that i came from only goes to Joon BI when listening for instructions/lectures but not to start a kick or go back at the end of a kick but uses it for katas. On the other hand, the HKD program i went to, for red and black belt levels, all jump kicks and jumps with spin kicks have to be done from Joon Bi, adding a degree of difficulty to the task. In fact, i started a thread earlier about delivering a jumping turning inside crescent kick which is actually done from joon bi - a kick which probably, i will never use in an actual situation.
IMO, the joon bi position has a military connotation similar to "parade dress" (when hands are behind you and feet shoulder length apart) position wherein being, supposedly, a relaxed position from standing in attention. I could be wrong, but i use for students to listen to tips that i'm giving without getting to be too relaxed that they won't pay attention.

Cool, I can understand that. More like a transitional stance like you said not attention and not a fighting stance. I too think of it as being the military part of martial arts.

[TheMadhoose]

Would you use it in a real confrontation?

No joon-bi is used when listening to directions from the instructor i.e
beginning of class... charyot, sabumnim ki kyong yae, joon bee , take your right eg bag make a fighting stance after however many repetitions back to joon bi to listento the next drill.

[Sam]

From a karate perspective. What you guys are referring to as Joon-Be we call Yoi. Which, bearing in mind I'm not an expert in Japanese to English translation, Ive always taken to mean ready.

For instance our instructor will say Yoi before Kata, Basic, Sparring, Pair work as if to say "Are you ready?" Then the next command comes along which is hajime (used to start a sparring match) or whichever stance we are to adopt for basic. Then we always return to Yoi (ready position) at the end of whichever technique we have just done before bowing out.

Never would we go straight from Yoi (Joon-be, ready position) to launch an attack. The only time that would happen is when defending or pre-emptively attacking from some sort of fence. This too raised questions for me when watching that video (along with other things but there's already a thread for that).

I will add its not nessecarily a fists clenched rigid position either, especially after I've had my backside kicked up the hall and back a few times :p

[davefly76]

I was told by Grandmaster Rhee Ji Ha that the joon bee position represented the oriental sign of peace (a circle). arms sighty bent in front of the belt giving the arms a circular Shape. apart from that it gives you something to do with your hands to stop you fidgeting.

sounds similar to the kuk sool "cha rhyut" position. we stand with feet together, thumbs tucked in the belt, near the knot. index fingers pointing down and touching at the tips, with the rest of the fingers tucked in, making a "circle of ki".

this is our formal stance. used before bowing before hyungs and each other & when listening to the instructor.

[donb]

sounds similar to the kuk sool "cha rhyut" position.
note the feet being together in "charyut" which is in most korean arts; joon bi is with feet apart at shoulder length level
as to karate, it is more like "heigi dachi" (not sure about the spelling but pronounced differently as well - no "g" sound but "ch"

[davefly76]

note the feet being together in "charyut" which is in most korean arts; joon bi is with feet apart at shoulder length level


i'm no expert but i would guess that most korean arts would use the same terminology, but in different instances.

for example: in kuk sool we call charyut, attention position and joon bi is ready stance, most commonly used at the start of hyungs but this could be any number of stances depending on which hyung you are going to do.

we do have a phrase for "at ease" but it escapes me right now, where we would stand with feet slightly apart and hands behind the back.

:)

[rtkd-badger]

we do have a phrase for "at ease" but it escapes me right now, where we would stand with feet slightly apart and hands behind the back.

:)
Shee Yoe