SOLO training HELP

[goatnipples2002]

I bought a Robert Lyons Thai boxing tape a while ago and was looking for a little more help than what he gave. I train by myself because I pay for college and can't afford to go to a dojo. I currently have a heavy bag I hit but am unsure if I am hitting it right.

Vertical elbow-
Now to execute this properly do you bend the legs a little then kinda shoot up like a rocket as you deliver the strike?

Low lead/roundhouse kick-
My friend goes to a TKD school and they told him to arch his kicks higher than the (knee) so that you come down on the nerves that are just above it and it also creates drag from your body weight going into the kick. Is this true? Where should my hands be? Which hand blocks, which do I use for support?

Leg destructions-
How do I execute a proper destruction? Do I use the leg the kick is aimed at? or the opposite?

How do I know if I actually rotate my hips when I strike.

Does anybody have any pics or websites of proper techniques being displayed.

[SoKKlab]

Originally posted by goatnipples2002
Vertical elbow- Now to execute this properly do you bend the legs a little then kinda shoot up like a rocket as you deliver the strike?

Yes, the movement of relaxed bodyweight in the direction of the strike. By Bending the legs and then following thru on impact, you get more bang for yr buck.

Low lead/roundhouse kick-
My friend goes to a TKD school and they told him to arch his kicks higher than the (knee) so that you come down on the nerves that are just above it and it also creates drag from your body weight going into the kick. Is this true? Where should my hands be? Which hand blocks, which do I use for support?

There are many types of Kicking in the Thai Arts, Roundhouse style kicks can be Up, Parallel or Down, the ones that Cut down into the Thigh or the Knee do cut into the Muscle mass more and you will hit nerves (Pressure Points!), you swing the leg up and then chop down into the Thighs, Knees etc.

Hands-blocks? Blocks what? There are two ways of hand placement when you kick, the more modern way, which is to drop your hand that is on the same side as your kick is, to add momentum and twist to your waist when you kick.

Or you can use the older Muay Boran way which is to keep both hands up as your guard and just twist the waist as per normal, both are equally valid although the first version is what is mostly taught nowadays. At least one hand should be guarding your face against counterpunches when you do anything.

Leg destructions-
How do I execute a proper destruction? Do I use the leg the kick is aimed at? or the opposite?

Hmmm, without pictures this one might be tricky, generally the Intercepting Low Roundhouse Kick, tends to cut into the standing leg of the adversary, they are kicking high, or to your middle and you counter by kicking their leg out from under them.

You are turning away from the kick to kick their leg out from under them. Ie You are both Left lead for left lead, he throws Right roundhouse to yr Head, you can switch kick with the lead leg, IE you switch your feet so that the left lead goes to the back for more power and then you kick his leg out by turning into the left leg kick, so that if he does impact on you with his high Roundhouse, he'll hit the back of yr shoulder. More of an issue of timing and accuracy.

If you don't use a switch and you were both Left for Left, then you would step off the Centerline with your rear right foot and kick thru with yr left for extra power (Cut Kick). there's many other variants.

You can kick the leg that's kicking or kick out with the leg that it is being kicked but this is a difficult issue of supreme timing, better to keep it simple. 'Destructions' are done in the Thai arts with many weapons, Kicks, Knees, Elbows or by some nasty wrenching twists and throws...

How do I know if I actually rotate my hips when I strike.

The foot of the supporting leg turns. If you turn it enough, you will know that your hip is turning into yr kick, let the body follow the kick, so that the Body turns into it also.

Does anybody have any pics or websites of proper techniques being displayed.

There are thousands just Google Muay Thai Techniques or Muay Thai+Jpegs and you'll find loads.

[goatnipples2002]

Originally posted by SoKKlab
There are thousands just Google Muay Thai Techniques or Muay Thai+Jpegs and you'll find loads.

I think you misunderstood what I meant about the leg destructions but everything else was on point. Thank u

[SoKKlab]

So are you talking about Leg Shields here when you mention 'Destructions'?

Anyway, you is welcome.

[Combatant]

If you have a muay thai class in your area why not just go once every two weeks or even every month? Even in just a few lessons with a proper instructor you will learn so much more, and you can spend the rest of your training time practising what you have learned. I understand about being on a tight budget but if this is possible, then IMHO it is the best way to go about it.

[goatnipples2002]

Originally posted by SoKKlab
So are you talking about Leg Shields here when you mention 'Destructions'?

Anyway, you is welcome.

I meant destructions, but like kali. Where if you tried a kick to my thigh I would knee your kick. I would aim for your knee but would most likely get your shin which is still a good target. This destruction is limited in the sense that it is only applicable to thigh high kicks.

The other destruction I know of is when someone tries to attack your head you raise your elbow vertically. This works on punches and kicks to the head.

I figured out my own question about which leg or arm to use for desturctions. The answer is that it doesn't matter. Both side are equally capable of the destruction.

And I practice lead/roundhouse kicks but never above waist high (economy of motion). I try to keep both hands up for protection. My heavy bag is outside and it's snowing here so I have moved my focus to my one knuckle punch. I just feel "unsafe" dropping my hand.

[versatilefightR]

When round house kicking, you want to keep your kicking arm out and in your opponents face, the opposite arm to cover your face in case the opponent comes back with a hook quickly, and point your kicking knee a little down so contact comes on shin bone, the side of your leg won't do any damage make sure you hit with the shin bone!

[SoKKlab]

Originally posted by goatnipples2002
I meant destructions, but like kali. Where if you tried a kick to my thigh I would knee your kick. I would aim for your knee but would most likely get your shin which is still a good target. This destruction is limited in the sense that it is only applicable to thigh high kicks.

The other destruction I know of is when someone tries to attack your head you raise your elbow vertically. This works on punches and kicks to the head.

And I practice lead/roundhouse kicks but never above waist high (economy of motion). I try to keep both hands up for protection. My heavy bag is outside and it's snowing here so I have moved my focus to my one knuckle punch. I just feel "unsafe" dropping my hand.

Yes all those 'Destructions' are in Muay Thai, kneeing the leg that is kicking you, is a glorified Leg shield either with the shin block or actually kneeing the leg.

There are many other 'Leg Jamming' techs to the kicking leg of an adversary in Muay Thai. There are alot more variations in other Thai Arts like Ling Lom. Same goes for Elbow destructions of punches etc. This is all basic basic Thai Arts stuff, no biggie.

As I said previously about roundhouse kicks, you can either 'drop' the lead hand when doing any Roundhouse kick, or you can do the kick in the Muay Boran way and keep both hands up, whatever you choose. You do get more twist by dropping the lead hand, but the Muay Boran way is better defensively as you keep a better guard, both hands up.

And as Versatile said, it's a good tactic to 'stiff arm' someone, ie instead of dropping your lead arm you shove it in their face as a fake or face rake and then kick them below decks.

Only problem is that sometimes you'll get thrown, or off-balanced by an experienced fighter grabbing the 'Stiff-arming' arm, but for Self-Protection against a common adversary it works nicely.

[goatnipples2002]

I will hopefully get a decent job so I can go to a school. Don't know what art yet. Most likely go to a MT/KB gym. They are pretty cheap and I can go 6 days a week. No gi or other charges. it's like 35 a month. I can't beat that.

What piece of training equipment would you suggest for solo training?

I have a heavy bag and an iron palm bag. My bag is outside, but it's snowing in Nebraska right now so I have focused on training my tiger's tooth (one knuckle punch) right now.

Dropping the arm does feel more powerful and natural but keeping both hands up is way safer to me.

[nicolo]

sure you can keep your arms in front to offer more protection. I believe the old style advocates this.

[goatnipples2002]

I need to know what you guys think would be my best bet for a new piece of solo training equipment?

I have a heavy bag (outside), an iron palm bag filled with mung beans for my one knuckle punch, and I recently bought a rolling pin for my shins.

[nicolo]

rolling pin, cool...make some bread for us dood.

[goatnipples2002]

Originally posted by nicolo
rolling pin, cool...make some bread for us dood.

Roll deez on ur chin!

[Cain]

Edit your post goatnipps, swearing is not taken lightly around here!

|Cain|

[goatnipples2002]

Originally posted by Cain
Edit your post goatnipps, swearing is not taken lightly around here!

|Cain|

no prob bob


I forgot bout the kids, goat loves the kids!

[Trent Tiemeyer]

Why would you go to a MT/KB gym if you are "220% against sport fighting" and "The only ring that matters has curbs."?

[nicolo]

he's not AGAINST it. He's only stating that one should adopt two mentalities in fighting and that ring experience cannot replace real-life street experience. One may not fit the other.

[goatnipples2002]

Originally posted by nicolo
he's not AGAINST it. He's only stating that one should adopt two mentalities in fighting and that ring experience cannot replace real-life street experience. One may not fit the other.

I've tried to say that so many times but it never came out like that. Good lookin out.

So many people train for the ring yet leave out effective techs such as eye gouges, biting and nerve strikes because they are illegal in the ring yet not in the streets. The mentalities are very different.


to answer your Q 1fighting. I gotta go some where to learn, right?

[Ad McG]

The bit about arching your leg down to kick the leg above the knee is referred to as chopping. You kick down on the front of the legs, and more upwards on the back, and hitting it right should cause the legs to collapse. I'm not entirely sure of the technique but Loren Christensen (respected MA writer) seems to think it works great. Google it.

[goatnipples2002]

My friend goes to a MT/bjj school and he taught me that. It takes time to get used to. Put your leg up on a chair or table and practice rotating your hip. This is the same motion of the kick.

[goatnipples2002]

What are your training schedules? Are they based around school and/or work?

Read this!
http://trinity.psnw.com/~dlmurray/howmuch.html

Is this realistic? I mean on top of college, work, lifting and homework?

I was shooting for the 3 month plan....

1. Jogging a mile

2. Shin, forearm, and one knuckle conditioning

3. IC push ups (girly style)

5. jab
cross
jab/cross
vert. elbow
horiz. elbow
lead kick
round kick
front kick/round kick
(100 reps each)

6. 45min to an hour of weightlifting

Plus FT college and PT work

That doesn't seem realistic any more. I will most likely be on the 6 month plan or 7month plan.

My friend suggested that I do as many reps I can in 3 mins per side/per tech and cut my weight lifting routine down to 30min. HELP!

Any suggestions?

[shipto]

http://www.muaythai.com/ but go to a trainer there are so many little tweeks to each of the moves that you just wont be getting by looking at pictures.

[goatnipples2002]

From what I hear the best MT school in my area is Mick Doyle's gym and he has some thai boxing champ as an instructor. I will try to get some extra money after the holidays in order to go there.

Thanx for the website it's the s#!t. It has a million techs.