Kilap?

[nathanwc]

Hello everyone,
I was hoping someone could clarify something for me a bit.
What exactly does "kilap" mean and what does it entail?
I though it meant "lightning" but I've been told and shown different things by different people and was curious if anyone a had a concrete definition of what it is. Not just the definition but also the application.
Thanks.
Respectfully,
Nathan

[Pekir]

As far as I know lightning translate to kilat, but since there are different ethnic language variations it might just mean the same.And since we are talking silat I'm afraid that variations for applications with the same name would be imaginable too. I would refer to kilat as striking like lighting, in other words fast as lightning. But when would one strike slow..... :)

[0rigin]

in indonesian, kilap means shining, and sometimes indonesian called kilap with kilat and it means lightning or fast striking.

[ICT]

Hello everyone,
I was hoping someone could clarify something for me a bit.
What exactly does "kilap" mean and what does it entail?
I though it meant "lightning" but I've been told and shown different things by different people and was curious if anyone a had a concrete definition of what it is. Not just the definition but also the application.
Thanks.
Respectfully,
Nathan

Nathan,

Kilat means Lighting but can also be used for fast, flash and flash of light.
Kilap means Flash but can also be used for shine or glitter.

It just depends on what tribe, island, or area it's coming from but basically either one can mean Lighting and be used in Silat to describe Fast Striking like lighting does when it strikes.

There are no Kilat/Kilap techniques per say it is a term for fast striking and applications of such are usually hand strikes but can be kicks as well.

Sincerely,
Teacher: Eddie Ivester

[nathanwc]

Thank you for the answers.
One of the things I have been shown is a strike to the hand that has already struck that is still in contact with the opponent.
Have any seen this before? (Assuming my explanation makes sense)
Thankyou again,
NathanWC

[TalkwithThunder]

Not to hijack, but my understanding is that khilap is another version of kilap (or sometimes kilat). Is this correct or does anyone have any further insight?

[Silatyogi]

We where taught KILAT was an older art from Java that cimande and sera stem from. It also means to strike/slap or to breath or move like lightning and thunder.

Peace

Santiago

[ICT]

We where taught KILAT was an older art from Java that cimande and sera stem from. It also means to strike/slap or to breath or move like lightning and thunder.

Peace

Santiago

Can you give more details on this style?

Thanks,
Teacher: Eddie Ivester

[Silatyogi]

Can you give more details on this style?

Thanks,
Teacher: Eddie Ivester


Supposedly it was the ART before Cimande and Sera in Java.

Maybe so I have never been there to confirm.

I do know there is a "kilat" breath to enhance strikes and ad power.
which if you go here you can see what i am talking about:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IdyhcHmeZY

It involves a certain pressure in the dan tien as you exhale along with a sound. It definnetly ads more bang to your buck on striking.

What Guru Cliff calls KILAT is his interpretation of Sera, Cimande, and Silek Tuo. He took what he Learned from PDT and evolved it further by adding some of the older silek tuo principles and concepts that where either not taught to him or not passed on or not known.

I know Guru Cliff got a lot of information on the way things are actualy done in Indonesia and on "Kilat" from Guru Steven Benitez. Along with a few other teachers.

So all I know is that its a way of breathing and emitting or transfering energy and a style much older than Cimande.

Peace

Santiago

[ICT]

Supposedly it was the ART before Cimande and Sera in Java.

Maybe so I have never been there to confirm.

I do know there is a "kilat" breath to enhance strikes and ad power.
which if you go here you can see what i am talking about:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IdyhcHmeZY

It involves a certain pressure in the dan tien as you exhale along with a sound. It definnetly ads more bang to your buck on striking.


Santiago,

I don't know if it's my computer or the videos but they are so black I can't see them?

If it's the video did you do that on purpose to hide the technique like in the old days of Indonesia?

Also the "hissing": sound is what I call Chi Manipulation to create Fa Jing and there are 3 different sounds to create speed, power and speed/power combination.

Thank's,
Teacher: Eddie Ivester

[Silatyogi]

Santiago,

I don't know if it's my computer or the videos but they are so black I can't see them?

If it's the video did you do that on purpose to hide the technique like in the old days of Indonesia?

Also the "hissing": sound is what I call Chi Manipulation to create Fa Jing and there are 3 different sounds to create speed, power and speed/power combination.

Thank's,
Teacher: Eddie Ivester

Hi Eddie,

hmm it may be the machine cause on my mac it looks fine, I get that a lot though from folks. I should try to film more in the day time its just usually we train at night.

Yeah there is a "fire" breath used and a "Lightning" breath.

Both increase a vibration of strength in the tendons and in the delivery of a strike. Also makes the body stronger.

Anyhow I will try to film in day light and repost.


There are various Tenaga Dalam breaths to increase strength all involve either various breathing ratios, ab tension, 2nd or 1st dan tien manipulation, and certain sounds. In some cases certain Mantras or mental "triggers".


Peace & take care

Santiago

[ICT]

Hi Eddie,

hmm it may be the machine cause on my mac it looks fine, I get that a lot though from folks. I should try to film more in the day time its just usually we train at night.


Santiago,

If you have a video editor you should be able to lighten it up a bit.

Sincerely,
Teacher: Eddie Ivester

[Narrue]

Would you say K-ilat became S-ilat?

[Silatyogi]

Would you say K-ilat became S-ilat?


Actually I heard this was the case it was first KILAT then SILAT.