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Taff
30-Nov-2007, 10:52 AM
I was lucky enough to work on some organic farms for several months. I was not an organic crusader before and I am not after. I do find it concerning though, the treatment of animals in "dairy powerhouses", how the milk is obtained and how the animals are treated. I do try to buy organic dairy produce now, where possible.
I was lucky enough to eat organic kiwifruit every single day. At the time, I thought it was nice, but I could taste no difference over what I used to eat. Then, when I left, I bought some kiwifruit from a store. Horrendous. I know enough about kiwifruit (don't ask) to know when they are ripe....these were ripe but were simply disgusting. I tried another store a few days later and got the same result. Please also note that I was eating them *in season*. This for me was where I first noticed something about the improved taste of organic food.

But the main point of farming was the meat! I ate a lot of meat. A lot. All organic, most off the farm, slaughtered on the farm as opposed to a slaughterhouse (I was present and it was humane but not pleasant, so I dread to think what they do to those animals in commercial places). Of course, plenty of vegetables from the garden also. I also ate a lot of fried eggs per day, average of about 5 per day, fried in coconut oil. And I had a lot of chicken stock. Oh no! The saturated animal fats!
Not to mention the milk. The only milk I drunk was straight-from-cow, in other words neither pasteurised nor homogenised.

After all this, I have to wonder why I am
a) Still alive
b) Not suffering from high blood pressure (I have had it checked)
c) The same weight as before I went there

The farmers were strongly anti-lowfat. I came to realise that I need fat to fill me up and because it tastes good. Yes, I like to actually taste what I put in my mouth. Supermarkets, take note.
So when it came to shopping for solid stuff, I knew what I wanted...

The other day I went to the supermarket to buy some yoghurt. I had a bit of a hard time.
Although I didn't count, it's a fair estimate to say that perhaps 90% of what was on sale was either dead, low fat, sweetened, flavoured or all of the above. And don't get me started no soy yoghurt. Yes, SOY yoghurt.

Just trying to buy plain, simple natural yoghurt was decidedly difficult. And then I found where it was. And then I found it was out of stock.

Here is an example of the alternatives:

http://www.sainsburys.com/media/images/products/OYVO001/0000001129250_OYVO001_2_Spec2_v1_m5657756983351537 6.jpg

YES! Natural yoghurt, my mission is successful. What? It's low fat! Honestly, if yoghurt is low fat, what on earth have they done to it to get it into that state?!

Wait, there's more!

http://www.sainsburys.com/media/images/products/AFAG001/5201054080016_AFAG001_2_Spec2_v1_m5657756983353471 4.jpg

0%, "fat strained". Wuh?!

http://www.sainsburys.com/media/images/products/AYEO003/5036589200413_AYEO003_2_Spec2_v1_m5657756983356739 4.jpg

Check out the description:
This is how yogurt should be - thick, creamy and alive with flavour.

Hello! There is NO fat in it!

And another:

http://www.sainsburys.com/media/images/products/FifthDimension_8/0000001206098_FifthDimension_140x140_v1_m565775698 33572803.jpg



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Well I think I've got my point across on yoghurt. My eyes were scanning, looking for the word "natural" and "organic" would be pretty nice also. But then it seems every product, bar the one that was not in stock, that matched my requirements was ALSO low/non fat. I was shocked. And came away empty handed.

The thing is, it's not restricted just to yoghurt. Go shopping in Sainsburys (British supermarket). Every product also has a "be good to yourself" equivalent which is low fat. I can live with that, provided there's a normal alternative I don't see the big deal. Despite my strong belief that eating low fat food does not qualify as "being good to yourself" at all.
But then I look out for organic produce. Some of this is reasonaby priced, some is not. Sainsburys have a "So Organic" range (see the top picture) which is scattered amongst the store. The problem that I see though, is that when you look at it, it turns out that not only is it organic, but it's low fat also!

I also went looking for muesli. Well, I had a similar problem! Even if something is not sold specifically as "low fat" it will often have written on the front "Less than 3% fat!" or something along those lines.
Or, on the back of the packaging. I found granola recently that looked "normal" but had a statement on the back about how it had x% less fat than other available granola. What I thought when I saw this was "where can I get some of this other stuff!".


Well, anyway, it all comes down to my main issue and that is

Why is it assumed that if we want to eat healthily we also want to eat low/non fat foods?


Is it part of the nanny state? That we cannot balance it out ourselves, that we need everything to be specifically low fat so that we don't have to go through the effort of working out whether we've had too much?
Is there really that great a demand for low fat food?
What happened to consumer choice? Why does it appear that low fat foods encroaching on normal foods?

And, why do they assume that if we're looking for organic produce, we also want it to be low/non-fat?

CosmicFish
30-Nov-2007, 11:20 AM
Good post!

I don't think it's part of the nanny state. I think it's more that we've had "fat is bad for you" drummed into us so much that most of us still believe it. The supermarkets will sell it because, for the most part, that's what people want to buy. Simple supply and demand.

One of the bad things about low fat food is that the fat is often replaced with carbs, usually refined carbs. It's silly really, as due to the insulin spike they cause, carbs are probably more likely to make you fat than fats are.

Also, regarding sat fat, I'm aware that many claim it's bad for you, but it's something else I've always been sceptical about. Jury's out for me on that one, and for the meantime I'm not shying away from my cheese. :)

You probably don't need me to tell you this, but most supermarkets do a wide selection of various oils. I've been including not only olive oil, but walnut oil, hazlenut oil and avacado oil in a lot of my home cooking lately.

path_one
30-Nov-2007, 11:32 AM
Ideally I think food (where applicable) should be straight from the source, just like martial arts! I want some martial fruit (knowledge) then I would go to the tree, if I could :)

When I was back home a few years ago, my aunt wouldn't let us go before she made us some coffee, she then went: "damn, no milk... I'll be back in a second" she milked the cow and we all had coffee :)

Incredible Bulk
30-Nov-2007, 11:54 AM
makes me laugh when you see chocolate bars or other junk food with 'only 2% fat' on them yet disregard what your eating is mainly sugar...

Ad McG
30-Nov-2007, 12:04 PM
If you are trying to stick to a carbs/protein or fat/protein meal combination then things like low fat yoghurt are great. I'm pretty sure that the only process they go through is to skim the cream off the top of the milk before they make the yoghurt so it's not some particularly un-natural process. They are also good for keeping your optimum fat balance of 1:1:1 of sat/mono/poly. If you consume all your dairy products without reduced fat it would be very difficult to attain this balance. The consumption of these fats affects your blood cholesterol balance and over-consumption of saturated fats leads to a higher level of LDL and a lower level of HDL - not a good indicator for heart disease. While you may be fairly young now, this is a definite concern for later in life. These fats won't suddenly have an impact on your blood pressure so that isn't really relevant here.

Much as I agree with your point that society is too obsessed with low-fat products, things like low-fat organic yoghurt are still top notch and well worth consuming. Eating loads of full fat dairy products all the time because you still have a clean bill of health isn't a good reason - it's just an excuse. If you take in a decent amount of meat and cook in things like coconut oil then you definitely need to think about dairy products that are naturally low in fat if you are going to consume them.

Gary
30-Nov-2007, 04:24 PM
makes me laugh when you see chocolate bars or other junk food with 'only 2% fat' on them yet disregard what your eating is mainly sugar...
2% is nothing, I saw fat free jelly babies not long ago!

Tartovski
30-Nov-2007, 05:50 PM
On the whole "fat is bad for you" idea:

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/09/science/09tier.html?pagewanted=1&ei=5087&em&en=53bfd0df7f448ca4&ex=1192161600

The gist: there has never been a scientific consensus that having a high-fat diet increased the risk of heart disease & obesity. If anything, a high-carb diet is probably worse...

So, pies for tea everyone, w00t!

Taff
04-Dec-2007, 10:58 AM
Also, regarding sat fat, I'm aware that many claim it's bad for you, but it's something else I've always been sceptical about. Jury's out for me on that one, and for the meantime I'm not shying away from my cheese. :)


Ad mentions below the 1:1:1 ratio, though you're right that in most circles saturated fat is vilified, though not to the extent of trans fat.

You probably don't need me to tell you this, but most supermarkets do a wide selection of various oils. I've been including not only olive oil, but walnut oil, hazlenut oil and avacado oil in a lot of my home cooking lately.

Avocado oil! Interesting! I love avocados, never realised you could buy their oil. I remember hearing an interview on the radio about avocadoes, how they grow so high that harvesting them is a pain. All the various methods people have come up with that include helicopters and trained monkeys :D

If you are trying to stick to a carbs/protein or fat/protein meal combination then things like low fat yoghurt are great. I'm pretty sure that the only process they go through is to skim the cream off the top of the milk before they make the yoghurt so it's not some particularly un-natural process. They are also good for keeping your optimum fat balance of 1:1:1 of sat/mono/poly. If you consume all your dairy products without reduced fat it would be very difficult to attain this balance. The consumption of these fats affects your blood cholesterol balance and over-consumption of saturated fats leads to a higher level of LDL and a lower level of HDL - not a good indicator for heart disease. While you may be fairly young now, this is a definite concern for later in life. These fats won't suddenly have an impact on your blood pressure so that isn't really relevant here.

For me, I do not stick to a specific diet and don't count fat ratios, I just tend to eat.
When they skim the cream off dairy produce, what are you losing though? Not just the cream surely. Isn't it similar to skimmed milk? I definitely wouldn't drink that stuff. A good part of why I eat yoghurt is to fill me up. I imagine this is a combination of both the fat and the protein.

Much as I agree with your point that society is too obsessed with low-fat products, things like low-fat organic yoghurt are still top notch and well worth consuming. Eating loads of full fat dairy products all the time because you still have a clean bill of health isn't a good reason - it's just an excuse. If you take in a decent amount of meat and cook in things like coconut oil then you definitely need to think about dairy products that are naturally low in fat if you are going to consume them.

You are right, it's definitely an excuse. I am more religous about this than scientific. I believe that I need full fat produce to fill me up and to make food taste nice. Whilst I don't stick to a specific diet I believe that aside from this I do eat healthily, with abundant fruit and vegetables. And live sauerkraut and kimchi :)
I have not had a cholesterol check, though I did have a medical, and they took blood tests. I think I was checked for stuff like syphilis, but don't think they did anything to do with cholesterol or lipids most likely because my blood pressure was OK and my BMI was "right in the middle of normal".

pj_goober
04-Dec-2007, 11:34 AM
Avocado oil! Interesting! I love avocados, never realised you could buy their oil. I remember hearing an interview on the radio about avocadoes, how they grow so high that harvesting them is a pain. All the various methods people have come up with that include helicopters and trained monkeys :D



not true!

I used to grow avocados in South America, they grow on a tree about the same size as an apple tree.

Taff
04-Dec-2007, 11:43 AM
not true!

I used to grow avocados in South America, they grow on a tree about the same size as an apple tree.

Come on, I've seen Avocado trees in New Zealand, they get extremely big.

pj_goober
04-Dec-2007, 12:00 PM
Come on, I've seen Avocado trees in New Zealand, they get extremely big.

Depends on your definition of extremely big, an apple tree can get kind of chunky, but they're hardly giant redwoods...

according to wikipedia, an apple tree grows upwards of 12 m, an avocado tree upwards of 20, so maybe a touch bigger, but hardly massive.
Like I said we grew them in South America and didn't need trained monkeys to pick them.

Taff
04-Dec-2007, 12:07 PM
Depends on your definition of extremely big, an apple tree can get kind of chunky, but they're hardly giant redwoods...

according to wikipedia, an apple tree grows upwards of 12 m, an avocado tree upwards of 20, so maybe a touch bigger, but hardly massive.
Like I said we grew them in South America and didn't need trained monkeys to pick them.

No you're right, they're not big for a tree but they are big for a fruit tree. I've only ever seen avos that were taller than 15m, that's big enough to cause some problems in getting them down. I could be wrong on this, but don't avos hang around on the tree for months and months without over-ripening or dropping to the ground?

Ciar2001
04-Dec-2007, 12:26 PM
I don't personally like plain Yoghurt never have but you can pop into a large supermarket chain beginning with T and purchase (full fat natural Greek yoghurt) my ex used to buy it all the time :)