Does exercise really make you thin?

[Tartovski]

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The attitude on these forums, and practically anywhere else I look is that (more) exercise = weight loss. However, it seems that there is very little scientific evidence to support this idea. Here's a very interesting article on why doing just MORE exercise doesn't necessarily lead to weight loss, but just to eating more:

http://nymag.com/news/sports/38001/

[CosmicFish]

(mods - move this elsewhere if you think it's in the wrong place)

The attitude on these forums, and practically anywhere else I look is that (more) exercise = weight loss. However, it seems that there is very little scientific evidence to support this idea. Here's a very interesting article on why doing just MORE exercise doesn't necessarily lead to weight loss, but just to eating more:

http://nymag.com/news/sports/38001/
I take the point you're trying to make. It is quite possible that someone who exercises more will eat more to compensate and end up "running to stand still". We all know someone who goes to the gym, then rewards themselves for all their hard work by allowing themselves to pig out on a treat, undoing it all again! Even those who don't make this mistake may eat more without realising it, simply because the exercise has made them hungrier.

However, to be fair, very few of the regulars here would claim that "(more) exercise = weight loss". It's just too simplistic. Most people who know even the basics about weight control and diet would say "(more) exercise = weight loss, provided you're in control of your diet."

[nready]

Hello, Tartovski

So you just realized there is a exact training method that helps, but you refuse to eat right well there you have it. FAT even that is PHAT.

I would say most people I know that the need to shock the muscle and the system to truly help muscle and weight lose, not the same exerciser's everyday all the time. Also, growth happens on your break days not your training days.

Believe it or don't one has to eat at first related not to what they are trying to do to change fat out. They need to eat more protein to help lose fat from the body than set it up based on how large they are physically. That means how many calories a certain size body needs and function based eating as well. This is usually done by weight the body size.

It is considered by most that lift, to eat about five to eight meals a day that are small. Meals about the size of your own hand.

Imagine this one trying to lose around 50 lbs. lets say they weigh about 260lbs they would have to eat about 5 to 6 meal of protein a day now that is expensive. This is why some people take protein shakes. Age is a factor.

So, take a look around here they have a bunch of post on here that will help.

Keep in mind it will require true experimentation, to get something you can practice and enjoy. The big thing people like sweets to much. They do real damage to the intestines and organs.

Later enjoy.

[Tartovski]

However, to be fair, very few of the regulars here would claim that "(more) exercise = weight loss". It's just too simplistic. Most people who know even the basics about weight control and diet would say "(more) exercise = weight loss, provided you're in control of your diet."

Apart from these ones, to name but two:
http://www.martialartsplanet.com/forums/showthread.php?t=71522
http://www.martialartsplanet.com/forums/showthread.php?t=72773
both threads talk about tabata/cardio etc etc

I think to clarify there seems to be an attitude that more exerice = more weight loss, which according to the evidence just isn't true. I think the most interesting bit about that article was the idea that "willpower" is somewhat of a myth and that hunger is a physiological process, not a psycological one.

stiffnready: I was speaking hypothetically, not personally. I am slightly fatter than I want to be (about 16% bodyfat atm, want to get down to around 10%) and am on the zone diet, which seems a sensible way to lose those last pounds of fat whilst maintaining my muscle mass.

[CosmicFish]

Apart from these ones, to name but two:
http://www.martialartsplanet.com/forums/showthread.php?t=71522
http://www.martialartsplanet.com/forums/showthread.php?t=72773
both threads talk about tabata/cardio etc etc
To be fair to the posters, in many cases controlling your diet is taken as such a given that it's frequently not mentioned. A quick summary (with apologies to anyone I've misrepresented here):

First thread:
Jay: How can I lose the gut?
Psymon: Sit ups and pushups?
Koolaid: Tabata.
Prophet: HIIT & strength training, coupled with a good diet.
Socrastein: Keep eating well.
Snoop: Aerobic activity plus cut down on the bad food.
etc.

Second thread:
Cyn: I want to lose some excess fat. I've already started adjusting my diet.
Bwhite: Tabatas and intervals.
Tetsu: Bwhite's idea is good, but modify your diet too.
Bwhite: . . . and thanks, Tetsu, for the diet info that I left out.
etc.

I think to clarify there seems to be an attitude that more exerice = more weight loss, which according to the evidence just isn't true. I think the most interesting bit about that article was the idea that "willpower" is somewhat of a myth and that hunger is a physiological process, not a psycological one.
I do take your point, really I do. I've known plenty of people who think they're going to "tone up" for the summer just by going to the gym 3-4 times a week and trudging away on the cardio equipment, and their bodies only ever change for the better when they sort their diet out. I just think that you're doing the more experienced posters here a little disservice. They're well aware that the diet needs to be in check too, it's just taken as such a given that they frequently neglect to mention it.

[yannick35]

Exercise alone will not make you lose weight at least it didnt for me.

In April of 2007 i got my bodyweight to 225 pounds at 5 feet 10 and 42 inch waist. 35 years old and cought with back pain.

I decied that it was enough my clothes did fit anymore and i was feeling worst every week, my chiro also told me to lose weight and that would really help with back pain.

I trainied six to seven days a week doing boxing and light weight training, tae bo when my pain wasnt too drastic.

In Auguest of this year my bodyweight was 220 pounds????????????????????

Now after making diet ajustements, cutting out the sugar and most high glycemic foods i am down to 195 pounds?

Diet is the most important thing to lose weight and get thin of course combied with cardio and weight training and hitting the sauna 3-4 times a week will be the best thing.

[nready]

Hey, Tartovski

I was not jabbing at you. I understood why you put that up, that so many thing on here say just workout and that is all you need. Dah oh ur ume, do what are they called the that is all you need to stay in shape. You are making an excellent point. Peace brother.

No one on earth can drink coca cola and stay thin. Just not possible. ;)

So it is automatic we assume that the other person is really trying to stay in shape. That means they have researched how to eat. That all we can really talk about is the subjective. That means the workout, and the training. We can not go you eat all the wrong things. Just would require more time writing and reading than would be allowable for someone to get something form it.

[TheCount]

Weight loss and thin are very very imprecise and subjective terms.
Thin, some people are never 'thin', some people never look thin, ever. My flatmate - no matter how much fat they loose they will always have a fat face.

If you trainproperly, you will replace fat with muscle or else loose the fat fullstop. In the first instance you will benefit immensely and in the second you will benefit a load. There is no shame in not loosing weight when it is replaced with muscle.

[nready]

Weight loss and thin are very very imprecise and subjective terms.
Thin, some people are never 'thin', some people never look thin, ever. My flatmate - no matter how much fat they loose they will always have a fat face.

If you trainproperly, you will replace fat with muscle or else loose the fat fullstop. In the first instance you will benefit immensely and in the second you will benefit a load. There is no shame in not loosing weight when it is replaced with muscle.

I agree.

I just reread what you, Tartovski, said about the zone diet. Well I once tried that but found out rather quickly the wrist size of a person does change. This depend on what type of physical activity you do. People who have limited physical activity have a tendency to not have to develop the muscles all the way through out the arm including the wrist area. When I was in my twenties I could put my finger all the way around my wrist and touch tips of fingers. To day no mater how hard I try this, I have about a inch between my fingers tips. This with people that do like allot of twisting with the arm builds muscle right around the wrist. :p

While that in no way negates the zone method they do use that as a standard measure.

I don't use that diet, I kinda created my own to stay lean. I do agree that there is math in the Zone diet that works. They take age, weight, and something to figure your needed calories very important. Also very good results there. Once you know what and how much calories you need, that is at least half the battle. ;)

[doc97]

Gary Tuab has been a proponent of this for quite some time. He does bring up some interesting concepts. However, when I made the basketball team in high school, I started the season at 170 pounds, and at the end of the season, I weight 154. I made no diet changes at all, just a lot of running. So that would go against his theory. He states a lot of evidence with glycemic index, good carbs, etc, and if you look really close at the diet he proposes, it does have some similarities to the atkins diet, which recently has been shown to cause damage to ateries. The one think that I personally think he "misses the boat on" is that exercise does help with your insulin secretion, glucose utilization and your cortisol secretion, do in a sense, exercise does work on the whole insulin pathway to utilize your food. Personally, I recomend exercise to my patients, and low and behold, they loose weight, now is that from the dietary changes they make, or the actual exercise. I personally think that it is a combination of the two. I will never tell anyone to not exercise, because of the overall good it does, mentally and physically.

[yannick35]

Gary Tuab has been a proponent of this for quite some time. He does bring up some interesting concepts. However, when I made the basketball team in high school, I started the season at 170 pounds, and at the end of the season, I weight 154. I made no diet changes at all, just a lot of running. So that would go against his theory. He states a lot of evidence with glycemic index, good carbs, etc, and if you look really close at the diet he proposes, it does have some similarities to the atkins diet, which recently has been shown to cause damage to ateries. The one think that I personally think he "misses the boat on" is that exercise does help with your insulin secretion, glucose utilization and your cortisol secretion, do in a sense, exercise does work on the whole insulin pathway to utilize your food. Personally, I recomend exercise to my patients, and low and behold, they loose weight, now is that from the dietary changes they make, or the actual exercise. I personally think that it is a combination of the two. I will never tell anyone to not exercise, because of the overall good it does, mentally and physically.

The main issue here is that we are all different, you are really lucky to be able to lose weight without any diet changes then again basketball and running are two intense exercise compared to walking.

I am the complete opposite of you when it comes to weight loss, i am very insulin sensitive and if i do eat sugar and high glycemic i will gain weight in no time this is why i do have to be very careful what i eat or i will gain some serious weight.

I can lose tone of weight on a low carb diet its almost magic but if i start eating junk food again even in moderation the damn weight crawls back.

The Atkins diet is one of the worst to follow its packed with saturated fats and more red meat and bacon come on.

I modified my low carb diet to be healty the one thing you need to do is replace the glycemic foods with veggies and low glycemic fruits

[L3vity]

To lose weight effectively the number one most important thing for almost all people (note that weight loss is different per person) is diet, not exercise. But to lose weight quickly and effectively, one has to balance diet and exercise. Only exercise means nothing, because if you eat crap, even if you DO keep the weight off (which you probably won't), you're still loading your body with cholesterol and saturated fats. Only diet is bad too, mainly because you won't be in shape, but also because a big part of losing weight is converting fat into energy or muscle.

[NaughtyKnight]

Exercising doesn't make you "thin", that is extremly poor way to put it. Thin isn't good. Exercise makes you fit, reducing your fat percentage and increasing your muscle mass. Diet is extremly important aswell.

[Incredible Bulk]

diet alone will not reduce bodyfat in any significant time scale... unless an eating disorder is taken into account.

regular exercise is required to create a calorie deficit by burning the calories taken in so that

calories taken in < calories burned

my girlfriend is part of the slimmers world or what ever they call it, they dont place emphasis on exercise but more on a good diet.

which is good but soon enough after the first weeks of mainly lower water retention (main reason for fast weight loss) they struggle with 1lb a week through diet alone. If any fluctuation in the diet plan is occuring they gain weight or maintain... its crazy

i bumped my fat friend from 21 stone to 18.5 stone in 3 months with a good diet and exercise regime, diet alone would of been a slow nightmare

[Tartovski]

Did you even read the original article?
The whole point is that you can much more easily create a calorie deficiet by diet, than you can with exercise and that all exercise does is make the body demand more calories to replace the ones it lost.

[nready]

Yes, I read the article. It is very interesting.

As I said before you are making an excellent point not everybody profits via working out. It is the diet in the end that make the difference.

I have had my need to change my body via diet. It required like I said to first find the math for how to figure out how many calories you need a day. That is done by how heavy you are plus your age plus your work load a day. For me I have to eat like allot of protein to help lose weight.

[Incredible Bulk]

with self control you can avoid the hand grabbing the donut and moving it to your mouth

if exercise creates a demand for more calories then that is a good thing as the calorie deficit is greater

i get cravings for cheesecake and stuff when i'm cutting on bodyfat, doesnt mean i indulge

[Tartovski]

with self control you can avoid the hand grabbing the donut and moving it to your mouth

if exercise creates a demand for more calories then that is a good thing as the calorie deficit is greater

i get cravings for cheesecake and stuff when i'm cutting on bodyfat, doesnt mean i indulge

But after a certain point, the deficiet will be so great that it's actually harmful and counter-productive health wise. Most places i've looked suggest 500cals a day = 3500cals a week = 1lbs fat loss a week is considered healthy. You can much more easily cut 500cals a day out than trying to eat the same and exercise it off.

[nready]

I do the 600 cal my self Tartovski.

[Tartovski]

sorry, you've lost me nready. Do you mean you do it yourself through exercise? Or diet?

[Incredible Bulk]

But after a certain point, the deficiet will be so great that it's actually harmful and counter-productive health wise. Most places i've looked suggest 500cals a day = 3500cals a week = 1lbs fat loss a week is considered healthy. You can much more easily cut 500cals a day out than trying to eat the same and exercise it off.

taking in only 500 cals a day? or the calorie deficit is 500 a day?

i cut the cals and tweak the exercise in the gym to give me steady fat loss, if i'm losing more than 2lbs in a week its too fast IMO as i dont want to sacrifice lean muscle mass.

relying on diet alone is not going to keep the heart healthy is it?

For a healthy life style you need exericse, diet alone IMO is just lazy

[Tartovski]

taking in only 500 cals a day? or the calorie deficit is 500 a day?

Sorry, I wasn't clear - I meant a 500 cal deficit per day is supposed to be a healthy target to aim for for fat loss.

i cut the cals and tweak the exercise in the gym to give me steady fat loss, if i'm losing more than 2lbs in a week its too fast IMO as i dont want to sacrifice lean muscle mass.

Totally agree on that one - and what I meant about too much of a deficit being counter-productive.

relying on diet alone is not going to keep the heart healthy is it?

For a healthy life style you need exericse, diet alone IMO is just lazy

Very good point. Though the article in question was specifically about fat loss, rather than anything else - so if that is your goal then diet alone is going to be alot easier for most people to achieve.

But I agree that the other benefits of exercise are totally worth all the blood, sweat and tears. :)

[Incredible Bulk]

good discussion :)

[nready]

sorry, you've lost me nready. Do you mean you do it yourself through exercise? Or diet?

See, I do it more like this.
your body weight * 10 = your needed intake calories.
Your needed intake calories * 20% = daily activity it means what your work is and how physical.
your needed intake calories + daily activity + 600 = energy amount of energy needed in to both workout and actually work a job and live.

The 600 is taken as a deficit in relation to work out.
My way allows for even lifting it is that I personally believe that you expend slightly more when lifting weights, as opposed to when I do body weight training.

As I lose weight I re-figure what my need for intake calories is. Which means that I need to redo the hole basic control math for my diet.

I can not remember where I first got the idea, but it was from some woman that put out this in a book I have. She is also a dietary medical something that helps people that have sickness or in the hospital.

That article how old is it? Tartovski do you know.

Because the Idea that I have put down for the math, has been around sense like ow at least 2000 or maybe in the 1990's area and that article is I think from back than.

I would like to here how you are doing it. I know the Idea behind the Zone diet kinda includes this same thing but not quite the zone diet is from like the 1980's. Not that this 1980's is bad just that it did not take into consideration calories needs for your size and work.

[Tartovski]

That article how old is it? Tartovski do you know.

24th of september 2007 - says on the top of the article!

I would like to here how you are doing it. I know the Idea behind the Zone diet kinda includes this same thing but not quite the zone diet is from like the 1980's. Not that this 1980's is bad just that it did not take into consideration calories needs for your size and work.

The Zone totally takes into account your size and work!
You work out you lean body mass, then you multiply that by your activity factor (offhand I think doing sod all exercise is X 0.5, doing alot is X0.9) this gives you how much protein in grams you need per day to maintain your lean body mass.
Then for every 7g of protein you eat, you match that with 9g of carbs, and 1.5g of fat.

[Tartovski]

Hey, or maybe we could all use this programme:

http://www.thinin4.com/uk.htm

18lbs in 4days?! i'm tempted to spend the money just to see what crazy regime it is. "contract food poisoning" maybe?!

[doc97]

He really does make some interesting points. His major point is that there is no research regarding exercise and weight loss. Now, in the medical community, especially cardiology, exercise is really considered "dogma" that is, we know it's good for you, if the amount of calories in is less than the amount of calories used , it makes sense that you would lose weight. So the argument on the traditional views would be, "why do we need to prove something we know is good for you?"

When I lost so much weight with basketball in high school, I never changed my diet, didn't really eat more than I was used to, and basically ran my butt off (both figuratively and literally) However that was many years ago, with a fifteen year old metabolism. I doubt that would be the case today.

But when you look at these reality shows, "The biggest loser," "Celebrity fit club," etc, these people are drastically changing their life style, diet and exercise. I just don't agree that the diet changes are all that's causing them to lose weigh which is what Traub would argue. I truly believe it is a combination of both.

[Tartovski]

I don't know why that's just reminded me, but has anyone here seen "can fat teens hunt" (UK TV Show)?
It's an appalling fatsploitation* show, but one of the things the nutritionist say on it is that the human body makes new fat cells up to the age of 21, but after that the number of fat cells stays constant, and it's just the size of them that changes - i am assuming her point is that if you are very skinny at 21, you'll find it hard to be enormously fat in later life and vice versa.

However, whilst that sounds all very interesting - i've never ever heard of that theory before, so is she just talking complete rubbish? I notice she is refferred to as a "Nutritionist" rather than a "Dietician" which make me a tad dubious. For those of you unaware "Nutrionist" is a non-protected term, so anyone can call themselves it without having the least bit of professional knowledge, whereas "dietician" is a protected term for a medical doctor specialising in diets etc.






* I'm copyrighting that word NOW!

[nready]

I don't know why that's just reminded me, but has anyone here seen "can fat teens hunt" (UK TV Show)?
It's an appalling fatsploitation* show, but one of the things the nutritionist say on it is that the human body makes new fat cells up to the age of 21, but after that the number of fat cells stays constant, and it's just the size of them that changes - i am assuming her point is that if you are very skinny at 21, you'll find it hard to be enormously fat in later life and vice versa.

However, whilst that sounds all very interesting - i've never ever heard of that theory before, so is she just talking complete rubbish? I notice she is refferred to as a "Nutritionist" rather than a "Dietician" which make me a tad dubious. For those of you unaware "Nutrionist" is a non-protected term, so anyone can call themselves it without having the least bit of professional knowledge, whereas "dietician" is a protected term for a medical doctor specialising in diets etc.






* I'm copyrighting that word NOW!

So you mean I can not write or say "Nutritionist" or your word "Nutrionist". :p

[Tartovski]

So you mean I can not write or say "Nutritionist" or your word "Nutrionist". :p


er... i was copyrighting "fatsploitation" as a word. The rest is just me not sleeping properly and attempting to type fast. CURSES!

[doc97]

* I'm copyrighting that word NOW![/QUOTE]

Oh man, I use that word, so....how much do I owe you when I use it???

[Tartovski]

I'd kinda broke at the moment as i'm unemployed. How about $1000 usage fee? :)

[doc97]

Look like "dietician" from now on!!!

[nready]

It is what we eat that make use fat, there are things about working out you do need more food for the extra energy burned.

As I said before you need to learn how to figure what you need to take in for what you objective is.

The part of your digestion where each thing is broken down will help you understand what to eat as well. The making yourself aware of the area that serves which will help you see and know what you crave. That is just to begin with.

[Tartovski]

Look like "dietician" from now on!!!

Just to clarify (In the UK at least) "dietician" is a protected term, and can only be used by medical doctors who specialise in Diet etc. "Nutrisionist" is a term anyone can use, no matter what qualifications they may (or may not) have.

[doc97]

Just to clarify (In the UK at least) "dietician" is a protected term, and can only be used by medical doctors who specialise in Diet etc. "Nutrisionist" is a term anyone can use, no matter what qualifications they may (or may not) have.

That's intesting. To be a dietician in the states just usually requires an undergrad degree. Any physicians that take up diet training (so-to-speak) do so out of interest. It's not something usually taught in medical school and there are very few preventative medicine residencies and fellowships out there. I guess we physicians are more trained to deal with the consequences of a poor diet. Speaking as an osteopathic physician, we are trained more in a holistic preventative approach to medicine, and nutrition in our education is basically nill. Maybe that's why in the US, we have such a crap diet. Food for thought, no pun intended.

[Tartovski]

found this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dietetics

[Hiroji]

This is interesting stuff.

One thing ive noticed about my weight, is that if one day as a treat i deviate from my normal decent diet and go out and have 5 pints of beer and a pizza i seem to lose weight a few days after..

Not sure why that is, maybe the liquid lost from the beer? but i wouldn’t have thought so as i drink plenty of fluids daily, mainly water and OJ.

I remember i was training hard earlier this year trying to get down to 10stone for a comp. My diet was good, wasn’t eating anymore than normal i just couldn’t shift from just above 10stone. Then after the comp, i had a few days off the diet & training, i got on the scales and i was then bang on 10stone! :rolleyes: :D

[nready]

This is interesting stuff.

One thing ive noticed about my weight, is that if one day as a treat i deviate from my normal decent diet and go out and have 5 pints of beer and a pizza i seem to lose weight a few days after..

Not sure why that is, maybe the liquid lost from the beer? but i wouldn’t have thought so as i drink plenty of fluids daily, mainly water and OJ.

I remember i was training hard earlier this year trying to get down to 10stone for a comp. My diet was good, wasn’t eating anymore than normal i just couldn’t shift from just above 10stone. Then after the comp, i had a few days off the diet & training, i got on the scales and i was then bang on 10stone! :rolleyes: :D

Hello, Hiroji
Like I said fat really builds up inside near your organs which take a long time to get ride of it. Usually fat is processed out threw the flesh meaning it travels through pours out to the skin this takes time.

There are places to learn about how the food is digested and what controls eating habits. One cheap book is "You on a diet" by Micheal F. Roisen M.D. and Mehmet C. Oz M.D.. Digestion on wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digestion

So, you had a lose of weight after one week of cutting back right, so your fat was just being effected by the change of diet. This happens when the body is not shocked out of it normal routines enough that means eat different foods but not to much ever of any one food. There is no one cure all for food.

The enema will help clear your lower colon so you can than understand that is how you should feel most of the time. That means eat plenty of fruit and vegetables to help cleanse the intestinal walls.

Do you know any thing about digestion, the process at all? It is important to know this.

You Are What You Eat - With 'Dr.' Gillian Mckeith
This is a show on BBC, it shows that to lose weight in about eight weeks usually equals about 4 stone or about 56 pounds if one worked out about 3 to 5 hours a week.

Basically, it sounded like you started one week to late! Good luck Hiroji! I know that is allot to take in.

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[SickDevildog]

I like that fatloss troubleshooter by Dr. Lowery, good links all around.

[Hiroji]

Yeh thanks for all that info there nready! ;)

[Tartovski]

You Are What You Eat - With 'Dr.' Gillian Mckeith

Personnally I wouldn't trust Gillian Mcteeth as far as I could throw her, she is a crazy quack.

[CosmicFish]

I have to say, every time I see this thread it makes me chuckle. I used to be thin, but thanks to proper exercise I'm not any more. ;)

[tetsu ryu]

No.. Exercise does not make you thin.. It makes you awesome. :D

[soyez efficaces]

I have to say, every time I see this thread it makes me chuckle. I used to be thin, but thanks to proper exercise I'm not any more. ;) Don't lie..you just gave up drinking :D

paul

[CosmicFish]

Don't lie..you just gave up drinking :D

paul
Ha ha! Funny enough, I did quit drinking a couple of years before. :)

[yannick35]

What happens at a certain point when calories are too low is that they body goes into starvation mode and acutally stores more bodyfat.

Body temperture is also very important so is T3 and T4 thyroid hormones.

Now since i dont think everyone here has plans to be a pro bodybuilder the usual person that diets down can get away with this.

Insulin control is also very important how else can you explain people on atkins eating bacon and eggs and cheese and losing so much weight.

I did atkins a few times losing huge amount of weight eating like this, WICKED.

[yannick35]

http://nymag.com/news/sports/38001/

This article and studies are 100% tried and true.

In fact saying that if no diet changes are made while wanting to lose weight there is a slim change that it will work.

With back pain and not being able to exercise at all two years ago with proper dieting cutting out all high glycemic foods and doing the low carb diet, i did not eat red meat, or bacon or any of this, i just replace the high saturated foods by healty foods, and soy protein (I am allergic to whey protein)

I went from 215 pounds to 183 pounds in about 2 months.

[CosmicFish]

http://nymag.com/news/sports/38001/

This article and studies are 100% tried and true.

In fact saying that if no diet changes are made while wanting to lose weight there is a slim change that it will work.

With back pain and not being able to exercise at all two years ago with proper dieting cutting out all high glycemic foods and doing the low carb diet, i did not eat red meat, or bacon or any of this, i just replace the high saturated foods by healty foods, and soy protein (I am allergic to whey protein)

I went from 215 pounds to 183 pounds in about 2 months.
LOL! THat's the same article that started this thread. :D

[yannick35]

LOL! THat's the same article that started this thread. :D


Are you serious, God i have to get my glasses on sorry.

But it really is true at least for me